Comments on: Down Classification Avenue With Sasquatch http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/ for Bigfoot, Loch Ness, and More Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:19:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: sasdave http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/#comment-19930 sasdave Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:34:35 +0000 http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/down-classification-avenue-with-the-sasquatch/#comment-19930 So let me get this straight. Science has possible names for something it doesn't believe exists. Throughout history; bodies, bones, hair, footprints and sightings have shown these creatures differences and that they do exist. No discredit to those that believe in science; but, these creatures have their own name as scientists' wouldn't be able to handle the real truth regarding the Ground Burrowers. They are not apes or humans they are a distinct species with many differences like humans. Science is like a stupid old man, short sited and only believes in itself and labels things it knows not of. So let me get this straight. Science has possible names for something it doesn’t believe exists. Throughout history; bodies, bones, hair, footprints and sightings have shown these creatures differences and that they do exist. No discredit to those that believe in science; but, these creatures have their own name as scientists’ wouldn’t be able to handle the real truth regarding the Ground Burrowers. They are not apes or humans they are a distinct species with many differences like humans. Science is like a stupid old man, short sited and only believes in itself and labels things it knows not of.

]]> By: obastide http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/#comment-19929 obastide Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:21:30 +0000 http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/down-classification-avenue-with-the-sasquatch/#comment-19929 Read John Bindernagel's book North America's Great Ape: The Sasquatch. It makes a compelling, pretty much unassailable case for the creature being an ape. He gives example after example of Sasquatch behaviors corresponding with ape behaviors. If Sasquatch is descended from Gigantopithecus, which certainly makes sense, it might not be our closest living relative, given that a family branch that would lead to something like Giganto would have to diverge pretty early, (but then again, it might). In any case, it would represent an extraordinary example of parallel evolution to us: morphology of feet and hands, and the "human" look of the face that has been commented on so often. Personally, for me the doubt about the creatures realness, is a thing of the past. I have a great- grandfather who had an encounter, and the growing amount of physical evidence, compared to many other 'cryptids', is unambiguous. What hoaxer could leave miles long fake tracks with dermal ridges, moving toes, 4-5 foot strides,and impressions in the soil indicating a 700 pound plus weight? What hoaxer could create scat samples with bacteria in them which is found elsewhere only in Asian peoples and Native Americans? People don't make this stuff up. Read John Bindernagel’s book North America’s Great Ape: The Sasquatch. It makes a compelling, pretty much unassailable case for the creature being an ape. He gives example after example of Sasquatch behaviors corresponding with ape behaviors. If Sasquatch is descended from Gigantopithecus, which certainly makes sense, it might not be our closest living relative, given that a family branch that would lead to something like Giganto would have to diverge pretty early, (but then again, it might). In any case, it would represent an extraordinary example of parallel evolution to us: morphology of feet and hands, and the “human” look of the face that has been commented on so often. Personally, for me the doubt about the creatures realness, is a thing of the past. I have a great- grandfather who had an encounter, and the growing amount of physical evidence, compared to many other ‘cryptids’, is unambiguous. What hoaxer could leave miles long fake tracks with dermal ridges, moving toes, 4-5 foot strides,and impressions in the soil indicating a 700 pound plus weight? What hoaxer could create scat samples with bacteria in them which is found elsewhere only in Asian peoples and Native Americans? People don’t make this stuff up.

]]> By: bibliophile http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/#comment-19928 bibliophile Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:36:03 +0000 http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/down-classification-avenue-with-the-sasquatch/#comment-19928 It is my personal belief that Bigfoot or Sasquatch or, my personal favourite, 'squatch, is a descendant of Gigantopithecus. I'm sure this is theory is held by many many others, as Gigantopithecus is REAL, they've found the fossils. It lived in Asia, most probably around the time of the Bering Land Bridge connecting the Asian continent with the North American, yes? Isn't it possible then, that Gigantopithecus crossed the land bridge as the early forebears of what was to become our Native Americans did? It could also be possible that there have been some small alterations in physiology since that time, but I believe 'squatch to be a descendant, still living among us. My question is, to what classification is Gigantopithecus attributed? It could be that 'squatch could fall into the same classification. -First Post- -Aaron J. Howell- It is my personal belief that Bigfoot or Sasquatch or, my personal favourite, ’squatch, is a descendant of Gigantopithecus. I’m sure this is theory is held by many many others, as Gigantopithecus is REAL, they’ve found the fossils. It lived in Asia, most probably around the time of the Bering Land Bridge connecting the Asian continent with the North American, yes? Isn’t it possible then, that Gigantopithecus crossed the land bridge as the early forebears of what was to become our Native Americans did? It could also be possible that there have been some small alterations in physiology since that time, but I believe ’squatch to be a descendant, still living among us. My question is, to what classification is Gigantopithecus attributed? It could be that ’squatch could fall into the same classification.
-First Post-
-Aaron J. Howell-

]]> By: mystery_man http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/#comment-19917 mystery_man Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:48:10 +0000 http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/down-classification-avenue-with-the-sasquatch/#comment-19917 Yes, Kittenz, that is what I meant. I keep an open yet skeptical mind. I believe there is an incredible amount of very compelling circumstantial evidence. I tend to lean on the side of something large and unknown to science lurking out there in the wilderness. Something that has caused all of the sightings, encounters, and so on. But until something concrete is found and it is absolutely classified by science, I'm always going to have that nagging wisp of doubt at the back of my mind. I hope if that evidence exists, it will become known sometime in my lifetime. Yes, Kittenz, that is what I meant. I keep an open yet skeptical mind. I believe there is an incredible amount of very compelling circumstantial evidence. I tend to lean on the side of something large and unknown to science lurking out there in the wilderness. Something that has caused all of the sightings, encounters, and so on. But until something concrete is found and it is absolutely classified by science, I’m always going to have that nagging wisp of doubt at the back of my mind. I hope if that evidence exists, it will become known sometime in my lifetime.

]]> By: hiram http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/#comment-19927 hiram Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:39:48 +0000 http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/down-classification-avenue-with-the-sasquatch/#comment-19927 Kittenz: Bravo! Hang in there! The truth draweth near. But, when the truth is made known to the public, mark my words, there will be heck to pay. You will not be pleased to learn what has been kept from you. Just wait for the facts as you are doing, be patient and then decide what you should do. Kittenz: Bravo! Hang in there! The truth draweth near. But, when the truth is made known to the public, mark my words, there will be heck to pay. You will not be pleased to learn what has been kept from you. Just wait for the facts as you are doing, be patient and then decide what you should do.

]]> By: kittenz http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/#comment-19926 kittenz Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:07:44 +0000 http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/down-classification-avenue-with-the-sasquatch/#comment-19926 "mystery_man Says: 'I even stay mindful of the sobering fact that it may not exist at all'" I wonder about that a lot too. I think that people are seeing SOMETHING. There are too many credible sightings for all of them to just be dismissed. Whether the sightings are large, as yet scientifically undescrided primates- well, I just do not know what to think about that. I try to keep a skeptical but open mind, and hope that the question will be resolved one way or the other before long. Some of the circumstantial evidence is very compelling. “mystery_man Says:

‘I even stay mindful of the sobering fact that it may not exist at all’”

I wonder about that a lot too. I think that people are seeing SOMETHING. There are too many credible sightings for all of them to just be dismissed. Whether the sightings are large, as yet scientifically undescrided primates- well, I just do not know what to think about that. I try to keep a skeptical but open mind, and hope that the question will be resolved one way or the other before long. Some of the circumstantial evidence is very compelling.

]]> By: hiram http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/#comment-19925 hiram Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:49:11 +0000 http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/down-classification-avenue-with-the-sasquatch/#comment-19925 The classification of living things is an arbitrary and ever-changing and inexact science developed by humans to try to understand the world of nature and the history of this earth. As hard as we may try, we will never know everything that has transpired during the last 4.5 billion years. Classifications change to fit the evidence, not the other way around. If Bigfoot does not fall within our definition of the genus Homo because there is no evidence he is unable to fashion precise tools or use fire, that is simply a situation we will have to address. The Smithsonian Institution website notes that: "Until 1964, Australopithecus remains had been found in Africa, but remains of the oldest representative of the genus Homo had been recognized only in Asia. In that year, however, Louis Leakey, Phillip Tobias, and John Napier announced the new species Homo habilis, or "handy man". They had to redefine the genus to accommodate this oldest form." Whatever classification Bigfoot may be assigned is immaterial to the average person. The fact is, based on what we now know about them, Bigfoot is our nearest kin and has no use for us. The only thing he needs from us is to preserve his habitat. The classification of living things is an arbitrary and ever-changing and inexact science developed by humans to try to understand the world of nature and the history of this earth. As hard as we may try, we will never know everything that has transpired during the last 4.5 billion years.

Classifications change to fit the evidence, not the other way around. If Bigfoot does not fall within our definition of the genus Homo because there is no evidence he is unable to fashion precise tools or use fire, that is simply a situation we will have to address.

The Smithsonian Institution website notes that: “Until 1964, Australopithecus remains had been found in Africa, but remains of the oldest representative of the genus Homo had been recognized only in Asia. In that year, however, Louis Leakey, Phillip Tobias, and John Napier announced the new species Homo habilis, or “handy man”. They had to redefine the genus to accommodate this oldest form.”

Whatever classification Bigfoot may be assigned is immaterial to the average person. The fact is, based on what we now know about them, Bigfoot is our nearest kin and has no use for us. The only thing he needs from us is to preserve his habitat.

]]> By: Sergio http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/#comment-19924 Sergio Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:31:16 +0000 http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/down-classification-avenue-with-the-sasquatch/#comment-19924 kittenz Says: "I think that the familial distinction may come down at last to the deliberate creation and use of fire. Hominids use fire; apes do not." I think Colyer used that trait (fire) as one of the distinctions for Genus Homo. kittenz Says:

“I think that the familial distinction may come down at last to the deliberate creation and use of fire. Hominids use fire; apes do not.”

I think Colyer used that trait (fire) as one of the distinctions for Genus Homo.

]]> By: Sergio http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/#comment-19923 Sergio Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:22:50 +0000 http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/down-classification-avenue-with-the-sasquatch/#comment-19923 Well, the writer wrote that if this thing does exist, we do know a lot about it -- I guess John Green said that. It makes perfect sense. I have to agree that it just does not seem that the genus would be Homo. But who knows what it will be? Maybe it will have its own genus. Interesting stuff for sure. Well, the writer wrote that if this thing does exist, we do know a lot about it — I guess John Green said that. It makes perfect sense.

I have to agree that it just does not seem that the genus would be Homo. But who knows what it will be? Maybe it will have its own genus. Interesting stuff for sure.

]]> By: kittenz http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/class-sasquatch/#comment-19922 kittenz Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:20:58 +0000 http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/down-classification-avenue-with-the-sasquatch/#comment-19922 I think that the familial distinction may come down at last to the deliberate creation and use of fire. Hominids use fire; apes do not. I think that the familial distinction may come down at last to the deliberate creation and use of fire. Hominids use fire; apes do not.

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