I hardly post anywhere on this subject, kinda keep to myself about this stuff, not to many open minds around where I live, mention bigfoot and hear the laughter, lol………

I have been studying for around 20 years on this subject, its taken me thru the bible, (anak and the sons of anak), also have studied much history, mostly native american (where you can find it)…..some anthropology, and archeology…I don’t have any degrees, but can keep up with most who do…..except in spelling, lol.

the native americans know, not believe, the word is know, that he exists, look up the definition for both words, very important, I too know that he is real……

the patterson/gimlin film is real, I dont need any scientific study to be done to recognize that what we saw in that film is the real deal, most of the others are hoaxes and fakes, plain and simple…….it was just the right place, right time type of deal……

the big guy is mentioned many places even in our short history on this continent, from hudson bay hunters, to lewis and clark, and his many different names in the native tounge…….

I think the thing we usually think of is that short period that we as european men think of as history on this continent, is just a short blurb in all that has happened here, the 2 or 3 hundred years that we have been here, not a long time at all, up until about 2 or 3 years ago, it was thought that the pre-clovis time was as early as people have been here, but that date has been extended quite aways, to well before the first ice age, kinda makes ya wonder how long we have really been here…….enough history, lol, wow, did I hijack this thread?

there is also another story of a native american, that was hunting one day, and drew down on what he thought was a bear, just as he was about to release the arrow, the bear stood up and SPOKE CLEARLY in HIS native language NOT to shoot him, this should answer both questions of mimicry and context, it took pure thought to say what was said………there was another instance in california, a family bought a house and kept chickens and other animals there, there was a gate that you had to open to drive in the yard, at that gate, the gentleman was pulling from work one afternoon, and thought he heard his wife calling chickens, followed by laughter, now thats interesting too, the big guy has humor, lol, nuttin I want to hear more than a few knee slappers from the big guy himself, lol…….another instance where someone spotted two teenage bigfeet singing by a stream, and swaying, does this sound like an animal?

i think not……………

so, my summation from all this is, that we have got a smart cookie on our hands that doesn’t really want to be found, at least not yet, but he is watching us, lol, go figure, he must be watching us looking for him, lol……..

I love this site Loren, its great.

I live in western ny, and have studied the seneca, very interesting things they know…………..what fascinated me the most is all the things that were found here when the country was first being prepared for farming, LOTS of large bones, but that is for another thread……..

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I happen to agree with most everything you’ve posted….I feel there are many more of this wonderous creatures than folks realize and they must be much smarter and better adapted than we give them credit for….if only to survive and some cases prosper….good stuff…

much obliged….

seeing is believing…

ole bub and the dags

it might be our concept of what is wisdom that is at play here, do we consider ourselves wise because we came up with the concept of speech?
I believe the big guy can talk, but only when he or she has too, too many reports of gibberish not to believe this, and since we can be bilingual, so can he…….

what if evolution was different, what if the apes and chimps descended from us, and perhaps we descended from the big guy……………open your minds a little, anything is possible………

I believe there was a lot of interaction , with the native americans and susquatch in the early times, that seems to have eroded as recently as the 1700’s,(so this could be how he could speak and old dialect of the douglas tounge), possibly with the advent of firearms with the first hunters from hudson bay , i think this had a lot to do with the big guy not wanting to contact or trust us at all, to this day, he is avoiding us at all cost, we have a few sightings here and there, but something tells me, they are all around us but we are to caught up in this world we have created to really see him……..estimates have been given at 4 to 6 thousand for a good breading population, i believe that number is a lot higher…………….

have you ever tried to hide in the woods, you can be within a few feet from someone and not be seen , its very possible, also take into consideration, the fact he is highly intelligent and prolly has a higher degree of instinct than we have, and you have a perfect stealth mode for a creature, I’ll bet he is truly amazing ………..

i just came across this thread just thought i would add my 2 cents, i have been studying this guy for many years now, never had a sighting, but I heard a very loud yell while hunting one day, the lungs must have been enormous, no critter I ever heard before sounded like that, and yes it sounded human, but the volume was louder than any of my drunk friends could ever yell, lol………..i left the area right away

1. The original characterization of the stories was flawed. If you read the originals as published, you’ll find that the details differ a bit, and can answer some of the concerns raised here. For example, Charlie did not just decide to shoot a 12yo boy… he was hunting, his dog flushed something from a hole and he fired. Similarly, Serephine Long didn’t just “decide to come home”… she had begged many times to come home, and it was only after she was deathly sick that the Sasquatch returned her. She gave birth a few hours later.

2. Speech doesn’t have to be verbal. I find it interesting that only once is an actual dialect mentioned… other times, speech is assumed but not described. It could just as easily be non-verbal.

Here’s a link to what is purported to be scanned-in originals of JW Burns stories:

You’re probably aware of these, but it might save someone some time.

This bias is probably misconceived. There is enough evidence to suggest that Bigfoot is not some type of ape but an early type of human. The best candidate for Bigfoot’s ancestors appear to be Meganthropus, which stood up to twelve feet tall and weighed up to and over 1000 pounds. These giant humans (and yes they were humans, not simian) made and used tools and managed to reach Australia in the dim past – they certainly would have been capable of crossing a Bering Straits land bridge to reach and colonize the Americas. These early humans may not have been able to speak on the same level of complexity that modern humans do, but would be capable of mimicking the same sounds. There are a number of Native legends of what can only be Bigfoot, which mention the fact these creatures can repeat what is said, mimicking human speech. Then there are the odd reports of Bigfoot wearing clothes – tattered and ill-fitting but pants and shirts! Would an ape choose to put on human clothes?

The very fact that Bigfoot is elusive enough to escape capture or killing by humans is evidence that it is no ordinary animal like a gorilla, with animal logic and thinking capabilities, rather it points to a level of intellect that approaches our own. One need only compare the reports of escaped “survivalist” convicts, who were able to escape dozens of law officers equipped with helicopters, dogs etc and you can see the similarities.

It is only my opinion, but if you examine the reports with an open mind and instead of pre-supposing the creature to be some kind of upright ape, look at it with the concept that this may be another type of human being, many otherwise perplexing reports make sense, like the “talking Sasquatch” or the reports of seeing them wear clothes. It explains why the captured young creature nicknamed “Jacko” acted less like an animal than like a wild human being.

By this line of logic, it would be criminal to kill a Bigfoot for the sake of science, and in my opinion the accomplishment of “convincing” the scientific community is highly over-rated. The skeptics who sit in university halls and proclaim that such a creature cannot exist, without having done a whit of field research, who declaim all eyewitness accounts as rubbish, are certainly not true men and women of science or they would act to investigate the mystery instead of dismissing it out of hand. One last point here, that it is wrong to dismiss eyewitness accounts as “nothing” – if you believe that just look at what happens in court if two or more eyewitnesses declare that you have committed a crime. Witness accounts do have weight and value.
Oroblanco

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all the best…

ole bub and the dawgs

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