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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Endroren</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/yucatan-gorillas/#comment-41088</link>
		<dc:creator>Endroren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's excellent news! I look forward to the results Dan! I hope they are still on public display. In the mean time, I've joined the Yahoo group your name links to. I want to make sure to be available when you return with what you find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s excellent news! I look forward to the results Dan! I hope they are still on public display. In the mean time, I&#8217;ve joined the Yahoo group your name links to. I want to make sure to be available when you return with what you find.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gannon</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/yucatan-gorillas/#comment-41087</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I plan to go to the Museum of History in Merida, probably in December or January, to get some better photos and/or video of these statues.  (Thanks for the info, Endroren.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I plan to go to the Museum of History in Merida, probably in December or January, to get some better photos and/or video of these statues.  (Thanks for the info, Endroren.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kronprinz_adam</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/yucatan-gorillas/#comment-41086</link>
		<dc:creator>Kronprinz_adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!! I'm amazed of all the detailed information that Spookyparadise delivered!! The images in the ceramic vases are beautiful, and some are just like taking a picture of the everyday's life in a maya court...
I think an Alux imange (if such think exists) can be found in religious/magical ceramic (the ones with rain gods, winged snakes and giant batlike beings). If I would be a maya artist, I will depict Alux in the world of jungle spirits....
Can anyone provide a picture?

The Yucatan Gorillas....are just impressive.

Crazy Theory 1. Olmecs developed somehow contacts with african cultures. That's why they got their colossal stoneheads with african faces and gorillas.

Crazy Theory 2. They represent indeed SISIMITES, legendary tropical bigfoot-like creatures (which are in fact, feared by the people. He belongs to the supernatural realm, a mystery of the jungle which is not longer seen, he has backwards feet, if you follow his tracks, you get lost into the jungle, and if you see one, you will feel sick and people can even become crazy...)

Conventional Theory 3. They represent human beings, but the sculptor was not a good one or a beginner in training.
Conventional Theory 4. They represent demigods, taken out from a chamanistic vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!! I&#8217;m amazed of all the detailed information that Spookyparadise delivered!! The images in the ceramic vases are beautiful, and some are just like taking a picture of the everyday&#8217;s life in a maya court&#8230;<br />
I think an Alux imange (if such think exists) can be found in religious/magical ceramic (the ones with rain gods, winged snakes and giant batlike beings). If I would be a maya artist, I will depict Alux in the world of jungle spirits&#8230;.<br />
Can anyone provide a picture?</p>
<p>The Yucatan Gorillas&#8230;.are just impressive.</p>
<p>Crazy Theory 1. Olmecs developed somehow contacts with african cultures. That&#8217;s why they got their colossal stoneheads with african faces and gorillas.</p>
<p>Crazy Theory 2. They represent indeed SISIMITES, legendary tropical bigfoot-like creatures (which are in fact, feared by the people. He belongs to the supernatural realm, a mystery of the jungle which is not longer seen, he has backwards feet, if you follow his tracks, you get lost into the jungle, and if you see one, you will feel sick and people can even become crazy&#8230;)</p>
<p>Conventional Theory 3. They represent human beings, but the sculptor was not a good one or a beginner in training.<br />
Conventional Theory 4. They represent demigods, taken out from a chamanistic vision.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/yucatan-gorillas/#comment-41085</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Endroren- Well said. I couldn't agree with you more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Endroren- Well said. I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/yucatan-gorillas/#comment-41084</link>
		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course Endorem, these are just ideas and speculations. I'm not saying we should rush and re-write every history books. I'm just saying we should try to explore more, and try not to be subjected to stiff paradigms.

Thank you for your clarification spookyparadigm. Yes, the myths of the corn god (and the feathered serpent for that matter) that rises from the bowels of the monster of the underworld  seems to have its origins in the olmec culture, and from that they are present in all the rest of the mesoamerican traditions, although the way they were transmitted seems still a little unclear.

It seems we have hijcked this thread and turned it into an Archeology discussion, but that shows how incredibly tolerant and open-minded the folks running Cryptomundo are. Besides, a very important part of Cryptozoology (although the one orthodox zoologist despise the mostit seems) is the study of traditional folklore.

I should conclude by saying that if I find anything more concerning these enigmatic statues in spanish websites, I shall try to contact Loren or Craig, so it is discussed further here in Cryptomundo.

Saludos :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Endorem, these are just ideas and speculations. I&#8217;m not saying we should rush and re-write every history books. I&#8217;m just saying we should try to explore more, and try not to be subjected to stiff paradigms.</p>
<p>Thank you for your clarification spookyparadigm. Yes, the myths of the corn god (and the feathered serpent for that matter) that rises from the bowels of the monster of the underworld  seems to have its origins in the olmec culture, and from that they are present in all the rest of the mesoamerican traditions, although the way they were transmitted seems still a little unclear.</p>
<p>It seems we have hijcked this thread and turned it into an Archeology discussion, but that shows how incredibly tolerant and open-minded the folks running Cryptomundo are. Besides, a very important part of Cryptozoology (although the one orthodox zoologist despise the mostit seems) is the study of traditional folklore.</p>
<p>I should conclude by saying that if I find anything more concerning these enigmatic statues in spanish websites, I shall try to contact Loren or Craig, so it is discussed further here in Cryptomundo.</p>
<p>Saludos <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: spookyparadigm</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/yucatan-gorillas/#comment-41083</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note the cleft thing because

1. Unlike the other Shang imagery, which is sort of contemporary with the Olmec (though only the end of the Shang and the beginning of the Olmec) the author had to reach back thousands of years to another Chinese culture to find something that looks like cleft heads.

2. The Olmec cleft head imagery is in accordance with other Mesoamerican cultures, which depict deities and landscapes with a cleft through which vegetation (often maize) grows, that share similar concepts and have a documented related origin as part of the same region. If the Chinese imagery is also depicting a similar concept, that would be interesting, though not evidence of contact, but if it isn't depicting a similar concept, it isn't much different than seeing Gemini-era astronauts on a Maya sarcophagus lid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note the cleft thing because</p>
<p>1. Unlike the other Shang imagery, which is sort of contemporary with the Olmec (though only the end of the Shang and the beginning of the Olmec) the author had to reach back thousands of years to another Chinese culture to find something that looks like cleft heads.</p>
<p>2. The Olmec cleft head imagery is in accordance with other Mesoamerican cultures, which depict deities and landscapes with a cleft through which vegetation (often maize) grows, that share similar concepts and have a documented related origin as part of the same region. If the Chinese imagery is also depicting a similar concept, that would be interesting, though not evidence of contact, but if it isn&#8217;t depicting a similar concept, it isn&#8217;t much different than seeing Gemini-era astronauts on a Maya sarcophagus lid.</p>
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		<title>By: Endroren</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/yucatan-gorillas/#comment-41081</link>
		<dc:creator>Endroren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing by appearances is not an accurate way to judge origins. Especially when dealing with primitive imagery. Circles. Squares. Lines. Mountain shapes. Human faces. Pyramidal structures. These are common forms within the human world. One does not require contact for these to exist in multiple places.

A claim like this demands more than "it sort of looks like it." You need physical evidence of materials that originate in the other place. You need some sort of time frame that ties the two together. You need evidence, not general similarities in appearance.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying it isn't true. I think the idea has merit, but at this point it is just an idea. There is no concrete evidence to support these theories at this time. (Either the simian statues OR the Chinese settlers.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing by appearances is not an accurate way to judge origins. Especially when dealing with primitive imagery. Circles. Squares. Lines. Mountain shapes. Human faces. Pyramidal structures. These are common forms within the human world. One does not require contact for these to exist in multiple places.</p>
<p>A claim like this demands more than &#8220;it sort of looks like it.&#8221; You need physical evidence of materials that originate in the other place. You need some sort of time frame that ties the two together. You need evidence, not general similarities in appearance.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong&#8230;I&#8217;m not saying it isn&#8217;t true. I think the idea has merit, but at this point it is just an idea. There is no concrete evidence to support these theories at this time. (Either the simian statues OR the Chinese settlers.)</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/yucatan-gorillas/#comment-41082</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Endroren, things-in-the-woods-  Right. That's what I was trying to say in my own post above. Likening any of these artistic representations to anything in particular, for example gorillas, is pretty subjective, especially in light of the poor quality images. I think people tend to see what they want to see and can create patterns when none are there when looking at these kinds of mysterious statues. The fact is we can not presume to understand what they are supposed to be modeled on in the absence of any other objective evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Endroren, things-in-the-woods-  Right. That&#8217;s what I was trying to say in my own post above. Likening any of these artistic representations to anything in particular, for example gorillas, is pretty subjective, especially in light of the poor quality images. I think people tend to see what they want to see and can create patterns when none are there when looking at these kinds of mysterious statues. The fact is we can not presume to understand what they are supposed to be modeled on in the absence of any other objective evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=""&gt;The cleft head motif is quite far removed in time, as the dates note, and is related to other Mesoamerican traditions of fertility, with the ground splitting and maize emerging. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm not sure I follow you here, spookyparadigm. Care to ellaborate further?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p>The cleft head motif is quite far removed in time, as the dates note, and is related to other Mesoamerican traditions of fertility, with the ground splitting and maize emerging. </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I follow you here, spookyparadigm. Care to ellaborate further?</p>
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		<title>By: spookyparadigm</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/yucatan-gorillas/#comment-41079</link>
		<dc:creator>spookyparadigm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few of the things on that Olmec page are problematic. The step symbol is used in several other Mesoamerican symbol sets and writing systems, including the contemporary to somewhat later Zapotec, as "hill," specifically functioning as a place name, suggesting the same for Olmec.

The cleft head motif is quite far removed in time, as the dates note, and is related to other Mesoamerican traditions of fertility, with the ground splitting and maize emerging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few of the things on that Olmec page are problematic. The step symbol is used in several other Mesoamerican symbol sets and writing systems, including the contemporary to somewhat later Zapotec, as &#8220;hill,&#8221; specifically functioning as a place name, suggesting the same for Olmec.</p>
<p>The cleft head motif is quite far removed in time, as the dates note, and is related to other Mesoamerican traditions of fertility, with the ground splitting and maize emerging.</p>
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