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	<title>Comments on: Saving The Cross River Gorillas</title>
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		<title>By: shumway10973</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good luck</description>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another physical difference between the two, if I remember correctly, is that male Cross River gorillas tend to have sagittal crests that are relatively poorly developed or even absent.

Christoph- I'm not sure what you mean by "found out". The Cross River gorilla was first described as a different species in 1904 by zoologist Paul Matschie, based on skull and tooth differences from a few specimens. Subsequent classifications found that they were not a new species, but rather a subspecies and they were classified as &lt;em&gt;Gorilla gorilla Diehli&lt;/em&gt;. Harold Coolidge redifined the genus &lt;em&gt;Gorilla&lt;/em&gt; in 1929 to make them all one species which ended up leading to the eventual classification of the Cross River gorillas as just local populations of Western lowland gorillas &lt;em&gt;Gorilla gorilla gorilla&lt;/em&gt;. 

Note that gorillas are currently seen as two species, Eastern gorillas, and Western gorillas. Anyway for a long time the Cross River gorillas were seen as the same as the same as Western lowland gorillas, which themselves would now be considered a subspecies of Western gorilla. Confused yet? :)

In 2001, Sarmiento and Oates took another look another look at the distinctive features of this gorilla and revived them as a separate subspecies of the Western gorilla, but it is Matschie who actually first "found out" they were different than other gorillas and described them as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another physical difference between the two, if I remember correctly, is that male Cross River gorillas tend to have sagittal crests that are relatively poorly developed or even absent.</p>
<p>Christoph- I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;found out&#8221;. The Cross River gorilla was first described as a different species in 1904 by zoologist Paul Matschie, based on skull and tooth differences from a few specimens. Subsequent classifications found that they were not a new species, but rather a subspecies and they were classified as <em>Gorilla gorilla Diehli</em>. Harold Coolidge redifined the genus <em>Gorilla</em> in 1929 to make them all one species which ended up leading to the eventual classification of the Cross River gorillas as just local populations of Western lowland gorillas <em>Gorilla gorilla gorilla</em>. </p>
<p>Note that gorillas are currently seen as two species, Eastern gorillas, and Western gorillas. Anyway for a long time the Cross River gorillas were seen as the same as the same as Western lowland gorillas, which themselves would now be considered a subspecies of Western gorilla. Confused yet? <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In 2001, Sarmiento and Oates took another look another look at the distinctive features of this gorilla and revived them as a separate subspecies of the Western gorilla, but it is Matschie who actually first &#8220;found out&#8221; they were different than other gorillas and described them as such.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jayman- The Cross River gorillas have different skull and tooth dimensions than the lowland gorillas. They were once thought to be the same as Western lowland gorillas &lt;em&gt;Gorilla gorilla&lt;/em&gt;, but these difference in skull morphology were considered dramatic enough to classify them as a separate subspecies. 

It's interesting also that after the war in Nigeria in the 1960s, the Cross River gorilla was considered extinct until it was rediscovered in the 1980s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jayman- The Cross River gorillas have different skull and tooth dimensions than the lowland gorillas. They were once thought to be the same as Western lowland gorillas <em>Gorilla gorilla</em>, but these difference in skull morphology were considered dramatic enough to classify them as a separate subspecies. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting also that after the war in Nigeria in the 1960s, the Cross River gorilla was considered extinct until it was rediscovered in the 1980s.</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn't it Esteban Sarmiento, who found out, that the cross river gorilla was a distinct subspecies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t it Esteban Sarmiento, who found out, that the cross river gorilla was a distinct subspecies?</p>
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		<title>By: eireman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's needed, in addition to protection, is a massive global campaign to educate third-world countries about how fragile our ecosystems are and that these creatures aren't ingredients in completely ineffective virility cocktails or necessary to ward off some curse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s needed, in addition to protection, is a massive global campaign to educate third-world countries about how fragile our ecosystems are and that these creatures aren&#8217;t ingredients in completely ineffective virility cocktails or necessary to ward off some curse.</p>
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		<title>By: Dj Plasmic Nebula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dj Plasmic Nebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amazing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amazing</p>
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		<title>By: jayman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the park is successful. Does anybody know what distinguishes these "Cross River gorillas" from other lowland gorillas? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the park is successful. Does anybody know what distinguishes these &#8220;Cross River gorillas&#8221; from other lowland gorillas?</p>
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