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		<title>By: doctoratlantis</title>
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		<dc:creator>doctoratlantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks so much for following up on that!  I found the full text of Huxley &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fullbooks.com/Evidence-as-to-Man-s-Place-in-Nature.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.
And there it is.

A pity that google couldn&#039;t show that to me when I went searching.  Still, I loves my etymology!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for following up on that!  I found the full text of Huxley <a href="http://www.fullbooks.com/Evidence-as-to-Man-s-Place-in-Nature.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br />
And there it is.</p>
<p>A pity that google couldn&#8217;t show that to me when I went searching.  Still, I loves my etymology!</p>
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		<title>By: Ceroill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceroill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As to the origin of &#039;Jocko&#039;, I was curious too, and happened across a site that specializes in digging up obscure bits of information and old recipes and such. I&#039;ll pass on what was found out there. I think you&#039;ll find it as interesting as I did.

It turns out that &quot;jocko&quot; originated as merely a mispronunciation of the original local African word for &quot;chimpanzee&quot;. It seems to have gone like this: &quot;Encheko&quot; or &quot;Nshiego&quot; to &quot;Engeco&quot; or &quot;Nchego&quot; to &quot;Enjocko&quot; to &quot;Jocko&quot; This is a citation from the Old English Dictionary:
 
&quot;Jocko. Also Jacko. [a. F. jocko, erroneously made by Buffon out of engeco, properly ncheko, the native name of the chimpanzee in the Gaboon country, West Africa.]&quot;
 
&quot;Their local name for the Chimpanzee is Enche-eko, as near as it can be anglicised, from which the common term Jocko probably comes. [1861 P. B. DU CHAILLU Equat. Africa xx. 359 In the Gaboon country the Chimpanzee is called Nshiego, in the interior it is known as the Ncheko. Ibid. 362 The Chimpanzee is called Engeco by Battel, 1625;..Enjocko, Jocko, by Buffon, 1766; Inchego, by Bowdich, 1819; Enche-eco, by Savage, in 1847; Ntchego, by Franquet, in 1852; Nchego, by Aubry Lecomte, 1854-57; most of which are variations again of the Camma name, which, according to our English mode of spelling, should be, as I have given it, Nshiego..the negro name for the true Chimpanzee.] 1863 HUXLEY Man&#039;s Place Nat. i. 14 Thus it was that Andrew Battell&#039;s ‘Engeco’ became metamorphosed into ‘Jocko’, and, in the latter shape, was spread all over the world, in consequence of the extensive popularity of Buffon&#039;s works.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to the origin of &#8216;Jocko&#8217;, I was curious too, and happened across a site that specializes in digging up obscure bits of information and old recipes and such. I&#8217;ll pass on what was found out there. I think you&#8217;ll find it as interesting as I did.</p>
<p>It turns out that &#8220;jocko&#8221; originated as merely a mispronunciation of the original local African word for &#8220;chimpanzee&#8221;. It seems to have gone like this: &#8220;Encheko&#8221; or &#8220;Nshiego&#8221; to &#8220;Engeco&#8221; or &#8220;Nchego&#8221; to &#8220;Enjocko&#8221; to &#8220;Jocko&#8221; This is a citation from the Old English Dictionary:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jocko. Also Jacko. [a. F. jocko, erroneously made by Buffon out of engeco, properly ncheko, the native name of the chimpanzee in the Gaboon country, West Africa.]&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Their local name for the Chimpanzee is Enche-eko, as near as it can be anglicised, from which the common term Jocko probably comes. [1861 P. B. DU CHAILLU Equat. Africa xx. 359 In the Gaboon country the Chimpanzee is called Nshiego, in the interior it is known as the Ncheko. Ibid. 362 The Chimpanzee is called Engeco by Battel, 1625;..Enjocko, Jocko, by Buffon, 1766; Inchego, by Bowdich, 1819; Enche-eco, by Savage, in 1847; Ntchego, by Franquet, in 1852; Nchego, by Aubry Lecomte, 1854-57; most of which are variations again of the Camma name, which, according to our English mode of spelling, should be, as I have given it, Nshiego..the negro name for the true Chimpanzee.] 1863 HUXLEY Man&#8217;s Place Nat. i. 14 Thus it was that Andrew Battell&#8217;s ‘Engeco’ became metamorphosed into ‘Jocko’, and, in the latter shape, was spread all over the world, in consequence of the extensive popularity of Buffon&#8217;s works.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: doctoratlantis</title>
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		<dc:creator>doctoratlantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very interesting read.  I wonder if the use of &quot;le jocko&quot; is relative to the naming of the creature &quot;Jacko&quot; in the BC story of 1884?  Obviously the plates shown here support the use of jocko as &quot;ape&quot; - but is it French?  Is it slang?  Is it French slang?  :)

I&#039;d like to know the etymology of that usage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting read.  I wonder if the use of &#8220;le jocko&#8221; is relative to the naming of the creature &#8220;Jacko&#8221; in the BC story of 1884?  Obviously the plates shown here support the use of jocko as &#8220;ape&#8221; &#8211; but is it French?  Is it slang?  Is it French slang?  <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know the etymology of that usage.</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful. Thanks for that. 

A nice look into not only the bonobo itself but the evolution of field biology and early systematics.

Whenever I come across this subject I always ponder why the bonobo are more gracile and wonder if it&#039;s related to some reason for their carrying juvenile traits into maturity, in a way that dogs have apparently done in their evolution from their ancestral wolves to become our interspecies ally, and as was found in that well known example from a Siberian fox farm, when foxes were chosen for tameness, or lack of aggression or innate submissiveness, which made them &quot;tamer&quot; in an attempt to select for manageability by those raising and breeding them for their fur. I have to wonder if a similar experiment in a primate wouldn&#039;t have similar results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful. Thanks for that. </p>
<p>A nice look into not only the bonobo itself but the evolution of field biology and early systematics.</p>
<p>Whenever I come across this subject I always ponder why the bonobo are more gracile and wonder if it&#8217;s related to some reason for their carrying juvenile traits into maturity, in a way that dogs have apparently done in their evolution from their ancestral wolves to become our interspecies ally, and as was found in that well known example from a Siberian fox farm, when foxes were chosen for tameness, or lack of aggression or innate submissiveness, which made them &#8220;tamer&#8221; in an attempt to select for manageability by those raising and breeding them for their fur. I have to wonder if a similar experiment in a primate wouldn&#8217;t have similar results.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate to keep bringing the sasquatch into this.

No I don&#039;t.  Because an interesting point can be made here about people&#039;s subjective reactions to an animal they are unfamiliar with.

The blog mentions &quot;the near human-like appearance of the bonobo&quot; and the odd way people reacted to that.  Well, sure, I suppose, it&#039;s sort of humanlike.  But like the other apes it is, very clearly, an ape.  A lot of people might look at those photos and think - like many sasquatch eyewitnesses - that what they are seeing is unsettlingly human-looking.  My first look at a facial closeup of an orangutan had me thinking:  that is a PERSON!  But of course I was a little kid then, unfamiliar with the orangutan, and there&#039;s no way I would think that now.

Many skeptics think that eyewitness descriptions of the sasquatch vary wildly, and use their thinking to discount the anecdotal evidence.  The point I&#039;m trying to make is:  that reaction is always subjective.  Some people see a hominoid and go, that&#039;s an ape.  Some see it and think:  that looks so human I&#039;m uncomfortable calling it an ape.  But they can be seeing the exact same animal.

(I saw a reconstruction of an Australopithecus afarensis toddler on the cover of National Geographic a few years back.  The cover shouted, in big letters, First Child.  Looked like an orangutan to me.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to keep bringing the sasquatch into this.</p>
<p>No I don&#8217;t.  Because an interesting point can be made here about people&#8217;s subjective reactions to an animal they are unfamiliar with.</p>
<p>The blog mentions &#8220;the near human-like appearance of the bonobo&#8221; and the odd way people reacted to that.  Well, sure, I suppose, it&#8217;s sort of humanlike.  But like the other apes it is, very clearly, an ape.  A lot of people might look at those photos and think &#8211; like many sasquatch eyewitnesses &#8211; that what they are seeing is unsettlingly human-looking.  My first look at a facial closeup of an orangutan had me thinking:  that is a PERSON!  But of course I was a little kid then, unfamiliar with the orangutan, and there&#8217;s no way I would think that now.</p>
<p>Many skeptics think that eyewitness descriptions of the sasquatch vary wildly, and use their thinking to discount the anecdotal evidence.  The point I&#8217;m trying to make is:  that reaction is always subjective.  Some people see a hominoid and go, that&#8217;s an ape.  Some see it and think:  that looks so human I&#8217;m uncomfortable calling it an ape.  But they can be seeing the exact same animal.</p>
<p>(I saw a reconstruction of an Australopithecus afarensis toddler on the cover of National Geographic a few years back.  The cover shouted, in big letters, First Child.  Looked like an orangutan to me.)</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, by the way, Wikipedia giving inaccurate information is not surprising to me. I&#039;ve found all sorts of factual innacuracies and outdated information on there. It is unfortunate when I see these mistakes because a good deal of people rely heavily on Wikipedia for their fact checking so it can be a big source of misinformation. It can be good for getting very basic information or to jolt my memory on things I&#039;m a little rusty on, things that I will likely know are true or not when I see them. It is a convenient reference source, however, I tend to avoid using Wikipedia for researching  information that is very precise or on areas that I am very unfamiliar with. Granted, it is often not just Wikipedia&#039;s fault, as the information can come from other erroneous sources such as inaccurate books, but I&#039;m just saying. Anyway, good to see the record set straight on this historical information. Much appreciated, Loren.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way, Wikipedia giving inaccurate information is not surprising to me. I&#8217;ve found all sorts of factual innacuracies and outdated information on there. It is unfortunate when I see these mistakes because a good deal of people rely heavily on Wikipedia for their fact checking so it can be a big source of misinformation. It can be good for getting very basic information or to jolt my memory on things I&#8217;m a little rusty on, things that I will likely know are true or not when I see them. It is a convenient reference source, however, I tend to avoid using Wikipedia for researching  information that is very precise or on areas that I am very unfamiliar with. Granted, it is often not just Wikipedia&#8217;s fault, as the information can come from other erroneous sources such as inaccurate books, but I&#8217;m just saying. Anyway, good to see the record set straight on this historical information. Much appreciated, Loren.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, Ceroill. Great article. I love these historical pieces that Loren puts together. Very informative and fascinating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Ceroill. Great article. I love these historical pieces that Loren puts together. Very informative and fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceroill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceroill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating article, Loren! Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating article, Loren! Thanks!</p>
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