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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: joppa</title>
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		<dc:creator>joppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Track evidence is rare, as it should be if these creatures are intelligent enough to actively avoid detection; they would avoid leaving tell-tell signs of their direction of travel and their existence. Moreover, I avoid stepping in mud or areas where my boot gets too wet or dirty, why wouldn't these bare-footed creatures do the same, if only to protect their feet from cold or injury.

Now these are only assumptions, but it's makes me question tracks that are too abundant or too "perfect". I am more impressed by the partial track found in conjunction with or near the same time of a sighting. A set of tracks, standing alone leaves too much to be debated. If I were to catalogue track data, I would give a credibility rating that gets higher marks if tracks can be related to a sighting.

The next time I set out pancakes for Patty, I'm putting them smack dab in the middle of a muddy field. Then I'll have tracks of my green-jacketed big-headed turban-wearing bigfoot to compare with the Wallace fakes. Or not, she may be wearing Chacos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Track evidence is rare, as it should be if these creatures are intelligent enough to actively avoid detection; they would avoid leaving tell-tell signs of their direction of travel and their existence. Moreover, I avoid stepping in mud or areas where my boot gets too wet or dirty, why wouldn&#8217;t these bare-footed creatures do the same, if only to protect their feet from cold or injury.</p>
<p>Now these are only assumptions, but it&#8217;s makes me question tracks that are too abundant or too &#8220;perfect&#8221;. I am more impressed by the partial track found in conjunction with or near the same time of a sighting. A set of tracks, standing alone leaves too much to be debated. If I were to catalogue track data, I would give a credibility rating that gets higher marks if tracks can be related to a sighting.</p>
<p>The next time I set out pancakes for Patty, I&#8217;m putting them smack dab in the middle of a muddy field. Then I&#8217;ll have tracks of my green-jacketed big-headed turban-wearing bigfoot to compare with the Wallace fakes. Or not, she may be wearing Chacos.</p>
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		<title>By: daledrinnon</title>
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		<dc:creator>daledrinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For me, there is no controversy, I know pretty damn well there is "something" and I am pretty damn certain I have seen and handled actual physical evidence of it, not just the tracks. But as I said, this IS a discussion about tracks, after all, and that IS what this discussion should be limited to.
&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, there is no controversy, I know pretty damn well there is &#8220;something&#8221; and I am pretty damn certain I have seen and handled actual physical evidence of it, not just the tracks. But as I said, this IS a discussion about tracks, after all, and that IS what this discussion should be limited to.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/wallace-line/#comment-26191</link>
		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg (ntg):

We consider the footprints as evidence of what we do for these reasons:

1.  Bears make prints.  Other animals do too.

2.  The P/G film subject left prints that look a lot like the other ones found; and that film shows what looks, pretty clearly, like a bipedal primate.

What would be more logical?  "Nothing passed this way, because we don't have a foot?"

Having spent a lot of time outside and looked at a lot of tracks I can tell you, when it looks like footprints, it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg (ntg):</p>
<p>We consider the footprints as evidence of what we do for these reasons:</p>
<p>1.  Bears make prints.  Other animals do too.</p>
<p>2.  The P/G film subject left prints that look a lot like the other ones found; and that film shows what looks, pretty clearly, like a bipedal primate.</p>
<p>What would be more logical?  &#8220;Nothing passed this way, because we don&#8217;t have a foot?&#8221;</p>
<p>Having spent a lot of time outside and looked at a lot of tracks I can tell you, when it looks like footprints, it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg(Not that Greg)</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/wallace-line/#comment-26190</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg(Not that Greg)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are the tracks of this supposed non-human North American primate, even considered to be evidence of it's existence? We don't look at bear (or any other) prints and suggest: "Bears must exist.  See, here are some prints."

What we say is:  "A bear  passed this way."

Shouldn't we have a foot to match to the prints, before we make assumptions (or wishes) about what made them?

At least in the case of the Wallace feet, we do have a match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the tracks of this supposed non-human North American primate, even considered to be evidence of it&#8217;s existence? We don&#8217;t look at bear (or any other) prints and suggest: &#8220;Bears must exist.  See, here are some prints.&#8221;</p>
<p>What we say is:  &#8220;A bear  passed this way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t we have a foot to match to the prints, before we make assumptions (or wishes) about what made them?</p>
<p>At least in the case of the Wallace feet, we do have a match.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/wallace-line/#comment-26189</link>
		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daledrinnon:  I definitely wouldn't say tracks mean nothing, and don't think my remarks should be construed that way.

As John Hart said in the hiking guide that got me intrigued enough to visit the California Siskiyou 21 years ago (I saw what could have been tracks, but they were too old to be sure):  the sasquatch could have been dismissed by scientists long ago, but "what gets in their way is the footprints."  The volume and location of these trackways means much more, in terms of my initial assessment of the animal's viability, than the sightings do.

My point is that we'll never suss the species of the animal - or if there even is an unknown animal making the tracks - as long as we limit ourselves to the tracks.  The continued appearance of trackways still serves as a guide to the search; examining their provenance can increase the strength of the case against all this being a hoax.

It's just that sightings need to be factored in much more than they have been in terms of deciding where research should be conducted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daledrinnon:  I definitely wouldn&#8217;t say tracks mean nothing, and don&#8217;t think my remarks should be construed that way.</p>
<p>As John Hart said in the hiking guide that got me intrigued enough to visit the California Siskiyou 21 years ago (I saw what could have been tracks, but they were too old to be sure):  the sasquatch could have been dismissed by scientists long ago, but &#8220;what gets in their way is the footprints.&#8221;  The volume and location of these trackways means much more, in terms of my initial assessment of the animal&#8217;s viability, than the sightings do.</p>
<p>My point is that we&#8217;ll never suss the species of the animal - or if there even is an unknown animal making the tracks - as long as we limit ourselves to the tracks.  The continued appearance of trackways still serves as a guide to the search; examining their provenance can increase the strength of the case against all this being a hoax.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that sightings need to be factored in much more than they have been in terms of deciding where research should be conducted.</p>
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		<title>By: daledrinnon</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/wallace-line/#comment-26188</link>
		<dc:creator>daledrinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to negate John Green's position at the end, I would just like to add to the detractors who say "tracks mean nothing" that this is a message board about tracks only at this time; what we are talking about is the matter of the validity of the tracks.  Other message boards can be for sightings, witness drawings, feces, hairs, skeletal remains, etc.

Yes, there are fake tracks. but that does not mean they ALL are, and tracks mean a great deal to a hunter. The mere fact that some people are not hunters does not mean that other people cannot tell a great deal from tracks. This includes the Physical Anthropologists such as Krantz.

Merely saying "(whatever) means nothing to me" means nothing to anyone else who happens to know a thing or two about the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to negate John Green&#8217;s position at the end, I would just like to add to the detractors who say &#8220;tracks mean nothing&#8221; that this is a message board about tracks only at this time; what we are talking about is the matter of the validity of the tracks.  Other message boards can be for sightings, witness drawings, feces, hairs, skeletal remains, etc.</p>
<p>Yes, there are fake tracks. but that does not mean they ALL are, and tracks mean a great deal to a hunter. The mere fact that some people are not hunters does not mean that other people cannot tell a great deal from tracks. This includes the Physical Anthropologists such as Krantz.</p>
<p>Merely saying &#8220;(whatever) means nothing to me&#8221; means nothing to anyone else who happens to know a thing or two about the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: john green</title>
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		<dc:creator>john green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 06:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The carved wooden feet that Loren and others think were used to make the "15-inch" tracks at Bluff Creek, Blue Creek Mountain etc. in the 1950s and 60s still exist and there are plenty of photos and casts of the tracks that were supposedly made with them. There is also $100,000 waiting for the Wallaces or anyone else who can demonstrate that those wooden feet (or anything else) can successfully be used to produce the sort of tracks that those photos and casts show. Until someone does that, and so far no one has even cared to try, claiming to find proof that those tracks were faked with those feet is just armchair speculation, nothing but blowing smoke.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Should there be anyone out there who wants to put this to the test in a serious manner but is prevented by lack of financing I can be reached at  and will be happy to discuss arrangements. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will just add that my 49-year quest has been to find out what it is that makes such tracks, and it will be successfully completed if anyone can prove they are of human origin. I won't like having my books made irrelevant of course, but I'll be glad to have lived long enough to learn the answer.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The carved wooden feet that Loren and others think were used to make the &#8220;15-inch&#8221; tracks at Bluff Creek, Blue Creek Mountain etc. in the 1950s and 60s still exist and there are plenty of photos and casts of the tracks that were supposedly made with them. There is also $100,000 waiting for the Wallaces or anyone else who can demonstrate that those wooden feet (or anything else) can successfully be used to produce the sort of tracks that those photos and casts show. Until someone does that, and so far no one has even cared to try, claiming to find proof that those tracks were faked with those feet is just armchair speculation, nothing but blowing smoke.</p>
<p>Should there be anyone out there who wants to put this to the test in a serious manner but is prevented by lack of financing I can be reached at  and will be happy to discuss arrangements. </p>
<p>I will just add that my 49-year quest has been to find out what it is that makes such tracks, and it will be successfully completed if anyone can prove they are of human origin. I won&#8217;t like having my books made irrelevant of course, but I&#8217;ll be glad to have lived long enough to learn the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Hollis, I've often wondered why no one seems to have done exactly that: track Sasquatch with dogs. Oh I've heard the arguments that "dogs are too afraid of Bigfoot to track them" and "they won't track them because they don't 'know' what they're tracking". I don't buy that. There are trained tracking dogs that will track &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt;.

Some people have said that hunters, or people with SAR dogs, don't want to risk their valuable animals by letting them chase after Bigfoot. But those dogs are usually worked on leashes, so the risk to the dogs would be minimal.

Maybe it's just a matter of putting the two together: getting someone with a tracking dog, or better yet a brace or a pack of dogs, to the right place at the right time, when a sighting has occurred, to track the Sasquatch before the trail gets too cold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Hollis, I&#8217;ve often wondered why no one seems to have done exactly that: track Sasquatch with dogs. Oh I&#8217;ve heard the arguments that &#8220;dogs are too afraid of Bigfoot to track them&#8221; and &#8220;they won&#8217;t track them because they don&#8217;t &#8216;know&#8217; what they&#8217;re tracking&#8221;. I don&#8217;t buy that. There are trained tracking dogs that will track <em>anything</em>.</p>
<p>Some people have said that hunters, or people with SAR dogs, don&#8217;t want to risk their valuable animals by letting them chase after Bigfoot. But those dogs are usually worked on leashes, so the risk to the dogs would be minimal.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just a matter of putting the two together: getting someone with a tracking dog, or better yet a brace or a pack of dogs, to the right place at the right time, when a sighting has occurred, to track the Sasquatch before the trail gets too cold.</p>
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		<title>By: Rillo777</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rillo777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dwa is right, I think. While making those new to the hunt for Bigfoot aware that there are fakes out there and what to watch out for is a good idea, the footprints themselves are conclusive of nothing. To an investigator they are, at best, only indications that something unusual passed this way. No good way of telling if they were made by man or animal.
Tracks themselves are essentially worthless except to show you the direction the thing went.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dwa is right, I think. While making those new to the hunt for Bigfoot aware that there are fakes out there and what to watch out for is a good idea, the footprints themselves are conclusive of nothing. To an investigator they are, at best, only indications that something unusual passed this way. No good way of telling if they were made by man or animal.<br />
Tracks themselves are essentially worthless except to show you the direction the thing went.</p>
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