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	<title>Comments on: Stories of the Vietnam Vets&#8217; Rock Apes</title>
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		<title>By: scosmo451</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/vn-rock-ape/comment-page-1/#comment-66122</link>
		<dc:creator>scosmo451</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how I&#039;ve missed these reports with the number of books on Vietnam I&#039;ve read, but I have to agree with the above statements that those (mostly young) soldiers saw anything unusual as just another part of Vietnam.  How would you know what animal was unusual when everything was new to you?

As to animals taking hits and continuing on, that touches on something that my cousin and I were discussing earlier while sighting in for deer season.  His son took a deer during youth season, destroying the heart with a .270.  The deer made it 75 yards before falling.  75 yards in an overgrown jungle might as well be a mile and I doubt you&#039;d be able to locate a body even if you were so inclined to look for one, which I&#039;m sure they weren&#039;t.  The 5.56 round used by the military in the M16A1 then and the M16A4 now isn&#039;t even designed to be a great killer - it was designed to tumble in the body, leaving a messy wound, with little hydrostatic shock.  There are plenty of verified, and in some cases, filmed, stories from Vietnam to Afghanistan of enemies taking several rounds and continuing the fight.  Now, if there were verified reports of them shrugging off 7.62 rounds from an M60 or M14 at close range, I&#039;d be impressed.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;d ever believe anybody saying they shook of a .50 to the body.  Maybe the reason they dropped so many near bases was they had the heavier firepower necessary to stop a largish animal in its tracks?  No looking through a jungle to find the body, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how I&#8217;ve missed these reports with the number of books on Vietnam I&#8217;ve read, but I have to agree with the above statements that those (mostly young) soldiers saw anything unusual as just another part of Vietnam.  How would you know what animal was unusual when everything was new to you?</p>
<p>As to animals taking hits and continuing on, that touches on something that my cousin and I were discussing earlier while sighting in for deer season.  His son took a deer during youth season, destroying the heart with a .270.  The deer made it 75 yards before falling.  75 yards in an overgrown jungle might as well be a mile and I doubt you&#8217;d be able to locate a body even if you were so inclined to look for one, which I&#8217;m sure they weren&#8217;t.  The 5.56 round used by the military in the M16A1 then and the M16A4 now isn&#8217;t even designed to be a great killer &#8211; it was designed to tumble in the body, leaving a messy wound, with little hydrostatic shock.  There are plenty of verified, and in some cases, filmed, stories from Vietnam to Afghanistan of enemies taking several rounds and continuing the fight.  Now, if there were verified reports of them shrugging off 7.62 rounds from an M60 or M14 at close range, I&#8217;d be impressed.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d ever believe anybody saying they shook of a .50 to the body.  Maybe the reason they dropped so many near bases was they had the heavier firepower necessary to stop a largish animal in its tracks?  No looking through a jungle to find the body, either.</p>
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		<title>By: jude</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really glad to read all these reports because I knew a vet a while back who insisted there were orangutans in Viet Nam when he was serving there. But, until now, I&#039;d never heard anyone else talk about reddish human-sized (or larger) primates there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really glad to read all these reports because I knew a vet a while back who insisted there were orangutans in Viet Nam when he was serving there. But, until now, I&#8217;d never heard anyone else talk about reddish human-sized (or larger) primates there.</p>
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		<title>By: spock82</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My uncle did two tours in Nam and I am sure I remember him saying that it was forbidden for GIs to have cameras &quot;in country&quot;. If that is true I think that would go a long way to explaining why there are no rock ape pictures, or at least why any pictures have not surfaced yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My uncle did two tours in Nam and I am sure I remember him saying that it was forbidden for GIs to have cameras &#8220;in country&#8221;. If that is true I think that would go a long way to explaining why there are no rock ape pictures, or at least why any pictures have not surfaced yet.</p>
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		<title>By: PhotoExpert</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post and quite timely as far as I am concerned. I just finished watching a TV program about them on SyFy Rewind about the Vietnamese Wildman. The show actually had a guest appearance by Jeff Meldrum. 

The show is a bit over the top for me and some of it is forced to fit the program. Nonetheless, it was interesting for other reasons. They even had a former soldier talking about them and some locals. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post and quite timely as far as I am concerned. I just finished watching a TV program about them on SyFy Rewind about the Vietnamese Wildman. The show actually had a guest appearance by Jeff Meldrum. </p>
<p>The show is a bit over the top for me and some of it is forced to fit the program. Nonetheless, it was interesting for other reasons. They even had a former soldier talking about them and some locals.</p>
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		<title>By: lordoftheonionrings</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings up an interesting point about war and cyptids.  

With so many people occupying remote jungle locations coupled with massive  disruption/destruction of habitat it is possible that a normally reclusive primate species could possibly be flushed out and encountered frequenty during that period.  

Makes you wonder if a battle took place in the Pacific Northwest would we encounter Bigfoot, as a result?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brings up an interesting point about war and cyptids.  </p>
<p>With so many people occupying remote jungle locations coupled with massive  disruption/destruction of habitat it is possible that a normally reclusive primate species could possibly be flushed out and encountered frequenty during that period.  </p>
<p>Makes you wonder if a battle took place in the Pacific Northwest would we encounter Bigfoot, as a result?</p>
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		<title>By: thehoch</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting story.

My only question is, if these &quot;rock apes&quot; were common and many were killed...Where&#039;s the pictures?  I am sure that there would be at least one photo, somewhere, of one of these creatures or their carcass.  It doesn&#039;t make any sense why there isn&#039;t at least one.  Can someone explain that to me, maybe I am a little naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting story.</p>
<p>My only question is, if these &#8220;rock apes&#8221; were common and many were killed&#8230;Where&#8217;s the pictures?  I am sure that there would be at least one photo, somewhere, of one of these creatures or their carcass.  It doesn&#8217;t make any sense why there isn&#8217;t at least one.  Can someone explain that to me, maybe I am a little naive.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy3rd</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with DWA. I suspect that most of the creatures the GI&#039;s saw in the jungle over there were &quot;strange&quot; to them. After all, American forces in Vietnam were literally &quot;strangers in a strange land&quot;. They would have had no basis of knowledge on which to determine which animals were noteworthy and which were not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with DWA. I suspect that most of the creatures the GI&#8217;s saw in the jungle over there were &#8220;strange&#8221; to them. After all, American forces in Vietnam were literally &#8220;strangers in a strange land&#8221;. They would have had no basis of knowledge on which to determine which animals were noteworthy and which were not.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, there&#039;s an aspect of this I never thought about.

THERE WAS A WAR ON.  IN A JUNGLE.  

The only thing any Westerner in Vietnam cared about was that war.   The animals?  Whatever.  What did any American know, back then, about jungles?  (Other than the relatively few biologists working in them.)  You could see ANYTHING in that hot steamin&#039; stinkin&#039; jungle....or ANY hot steamin&#039; stinkin&#039; jungle...as far as those kids (or their superiors) were concerned.  A hundred-foot centipede - or a pterosaur - probably would have been greeted with standard-issue jungle-critter reaction.  They probably didn&#039;t see anything particularly interesting or unusual about &quot;those damned rock apes&quot; at all.  But quite a bit that was annoying, and even dangerous.  Like anything - everything - in a jungle can look to someone not used to being there.

It may be possible that no one thought these animals were unusual enough to remark upon.  After all, when you&#039;ve seen one orangytang, you&#039;ve seen &#039;em all, right?

(Another question the answer to which would interest me:  how many servicemen in Indochina saw saola - an animal not confirmed until almost 20 years after the war?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, there&#8217;s an aspect of this I never thought about.</p>
<p>THERE WAS A WAR ON.  IN A JUNGLE.  </p>
<p>The only thing any Westerner in Vietnam cared about was that war.   The animals?  Whatever.  What did any American know, back then, about jungles?  (Other than the relatively few biologists working in them.)  You could see ANYTHING in that hot steamin&#8217; stinkin&#8217; jungle&#8230;.or ANY hot steamin&#8217; stinkin&#8217; jungle&#8230;as far as those kids (or their superiors) were concerned.  A hundred-foot centipede &#8211; or a pterosaur &#8211; probably would have been greeted with standard-issue jungle-critter reaction.  They probably didn&#8217;t see anything particularly interesting or unusual about &#8220;those damned rock apes&#8221; at all.  But quite a bit that was annoying, and even dangerous.  Like anything &#8211; everything &#8211; in a jungle can look to someone not used to being there.</p>
<p>It may be possible that no one thought these animals were unusual enough to remark upon.  After all, when you&#8217;ve seen one orangytang, you&#8217;ve seen &#8216;em all, right?</p>
<p>(Another question the answer to which would interest me:  how many servicemen in Indochina saw saola &#8211; an animal not confirmed until almost 20 years after the war?)</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MattBille brings up an interesting report concerning the rock apes being seemingly impervious to bullets. Of course it is hard to take, but it strikes me that this characeristic has been reported in accounts of other hairy hominids as well. 

There have been accounts of Sasquatch, for instance, that describe the animals being shot, sometimes at fairly close range or with large caliber rounds, yet seeming to show no adverse effects and leaving no blood behind. If I remember correctly, there are similar Yowie reports as well. 

Now of course I think that the idea of a bulletproof hairy hominid is a bit silly, however the reports do exist and it seems that if we don&#039;t just toss these accounts, then it is worth trying to think about what is going on in these instances. 

For example, It could be that the creature wasn&#039;t hit at all or that like sometimes happens with large animals such as bears it was able to only &lt;em&gt;seem&lt;/em&gt; to shrug off the shot from a round or hit that was insufficient to imediately take it down. 

These sorts of report are sort of an enigma to me, but I suspect that if they are to be believed and the creatures are indeed real, then there is some rational explanation and not necessarily a supernatural cause at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MattBille brings up an interesting report concerning the rock apes being seemingly impervious to bullets. Of course it is hard to take, but it strikes me that this characeristic has been reported in accounts of other hairy hominids as well. </p>
<p>There have been accounts of Sasquatch, for instance, that describe the animals being shot, sometimes at fairly close range or with large caliber rounds, yet seeming to show no adverse effects and leaving no blood behind. If I remember correctly, there are similar Yowie reports as well. </p>
<p>Now of course I think that the idea of a bulletproof hairy hominid is a bit silly, however the reports do exist and it seems that if we don&#8217;t just toss these accounts, then it is worth trying to think about what is going on in these instances. </p>
<p>For example, It could be that the creature wasn&#8217;t hit at all or that like sometimes happens with large animals such as bears it was able to only <em>seem</em> to shrug off the shot from a round or hit that was insufficient to imediately take it down. </p>
<p>These sorts of report are sort of an enigma to me, but I suspect that if they are to be believed and the creatures are indeed real, then there is some rational explanation and not necessarily a supernatural cause at work.</p>
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		<title>By: apithacus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My grandfather told me stories just like the ones above. The only thing is that he wasn&#039;t in the jungles of nam but all his friends were. I did not believe his stories because he also told me of how the US was covering up area 51 all the time. He was in the airforce during nam but never did he see one himself. He does not drink or have history of mental illness but he is 100% sure that ufos are being hidden from us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandfather told me stories just like the ones above. The only thing is that he wasn&#8217;t in the jungles of nam but all his friends were. I did not believe his stories because he also told me of how the US was covering up area 51 all the time. He was in the airforce during nam but never did he see one himself. He does not drink or have history of mental illness but he is 100% sure that ufos are being hidden from us.</p>
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