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		<title>By: springheeledjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>springheeledjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you, MM.  

Right now there are waaaaaaaaay too many unknowns to even begin to make solid hypotheses---the sightings are too sparse from too many different locales to make and real generalizations or even solid theories.

I think that is why USO&#039;s are so intriguing and fun to hunt for me...it&#039;s the unknowns and possibilities that keep me investigating:)  AND when we do eventually find out some hard data, I have no doubt it will clear up a lot of little questions like the one we have been dealing with here:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, MM.  </p>
<p>Right now there are waaaaaaaaay too many unknowns to even begin to make solid hypotheses&#8212;the sightings are too sparse from too many different locales to make and real generalizations or even solid theories.</p>
<p>I think that is why USO&#8217;s are so intriguing and fun to hunt for me&#8230;it&#8217;s the unknowns and possibilities that keep me investigating:)  AND when we do eventually find out some hard data, I have no doubt it will clear up a lot of little questions like the one we have been dealing with here:)</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ll say one thing about the horns, ossicones, or whatever kind of protuberances are present on these creatures; it would help if we had some idea of what sort of animal we are even looking at here. The list of unusual suspects runs the gamut from mammal, to reptile, to fish, to giant slug. We can&#039;t even be sure of what classification of creature we are dealing with here, so it is difficult to come to a consensus as to what the outcroppings on the head might be. 

I will say that I agree with springheeledjack in that if we are indeed dealing with unknowns here, then most likely there is more than just one type of creature behind the worldwide eyewitness accounts of sea monsters. A variety of different species and types of organism could be involved. We could have cases where one is a giant slug, another a sea mammal, and yet another a reptilian prehistoric survivor. In each case the head protuberances could be completely different in form and function. It would also explain why not all of these creatures are described as having horns or whatever in the first place. It really likely is comparing apples and oranges. 

I think it would be hard to try to come up with any one, all encompassing hypothesis on the head appendages, especially without more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ll say one thing about the horns, ossicones, or whatever kind of protuberances are present on these creatures; it would help if we had some idea of what sort of animal we are even looking at here. The list of unusual suspects runs the gamut from mammal, to reptile, to fish, to giant slug. We can&#8217;t even be sure of what classification of creature we are dealing with here, so it is difficult to come to a consensus as to what the outcroppings on the head might be. </p>
<p>I will say that I agree with springheeledjack in that if we are indeed dealing with unknowns here, then most likely there is more than just one type of creature behind the worldwide eyewitness accounts of sea monsters. A variety of different species and types of organism could be involved. We could have cases where one is a giant slug, another a sea mammal, and yet another a reptilian prehistoric survivor. In each case the head protuberances could be completely different in form and function. It would also explain why not all of these creatures are described as having horns or whatever in the first place. It really likely is comparing apples and oranges. </p>
<p>I think it would be hard to try to come up with any one, all encompassing hypothesis on the head appendages, especially without more information.</p>
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		<title>By: springheeledjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>springheeledjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sfseaserpent got me to thinking too--that it could be something equated with sexual dimorphism as to why the horns/stalks/etc are not always seen or observed.  

The other problem is with so little information we do not know if we are dealing with one species of animal across the world or several, in which case, the stalks/horns/etc could be specific to a species or a specific type of animal (not up on my genus and terminology classifications), so AGAIN, could be apples and oranges.  Though I am of the mind that there is probably more than one type we are dealing with--heuvelmanns went along those lines of thinking, and I would agree with him.  I think he suggested half a dozen or more possibilities.

Back to the sub-subject at hand, at least from the Scandinavian perspective, we might be dealing with some sort of sensory organs...whether it is ears for sound, some sort of vibration sensors, or communication.  And perhaps there is a tie in with what Walden saw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sfseaserpent got me to thinking too&#8211;that it could be something equated with sexual dimorphism as to why the horns/stalks/etc are not always seen or observed.  </p>
<p>The other problem is with so little information we do not know if we are dealing with one species of animal across the world or several, in which case, the stalks/horns/etc could be specific to a species or a specific type of animal (not up on my genus and terminology classifications), so AGAIN, could be apples and oranges.  Though I am of the mind that there is probably more than one type we are dealing with&#8211;heuvelmanns went along those lines of thinking, and I would agree with him.  I think he suggested half a dozen or more possibilities.</p>
<p>Back to the sub-subject at hand, at least from the Scandinavian perspective, we might be dealing with some sort of sensory organs&#8230;whether it is ears for sound, some sort of vibration sensors, or communication.  And perhaps there is a tie in with what Walden saw.</p>
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		<title>By: sfseaserpent</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We found Tisa&#039;s observation that the animal she saw had a possible mane and horns of some type very interesting because in all of the close sightings we have had none of the animals had a mane or horns. In one of our close sightings(35-50 yards) the animal had a baby wrapped around its upper body behind its head exactly like the red stripe of a barber pole wraps around the pole. We believe Tisa is giving an accurate description of what she saw so we are beginning to think it may be possible that Tisa saw a male animal and that we have seen females. One of the things we are absolutely certain about this animal is that it is an unknown species since it moves in a fashion that no animal known to have ever existed can move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We found Tisa&#8217;s observation that the animal she saw had a possible mane and horns of some type very interesting because in all of the close sightings we have had none of the animals had a mane or horns. In one of our close sightings(35-50 yards) the animal had a baby wrapped around its upper body behind its head exactly like the red stripe of a barber pole wraps around the pole. We believe Tisa is giving an accurate description of what she saw so we are beginning to think it may be possible that Tisa saw a male animal and that we have seen females. One of the things we are absolutely certain about this animal is that it is an unknown species since it moves in a fashion that no animal known to have ever existed can move.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Knatterud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Knatterud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>”Horns” and ”ears”

There actually is one single Norwegian sighting of a head with something odd attached to the head, call it horns, protuberances or whatever. Two boys went fishing in a lake and the one boy detected a presumably resting or sleeping animal. He decided to put a large stone on the beasts head in the shallow water, then tie it to a tree. Naturally the creature shook off the boulder, raised its head and hissed at the boy who was virtually standing in water beside the animal. When initially lying half submerged and resting the boy noticed that the creature’s head had two strange stalks, one on each side of the head a little distance behind the eyes, and at the end of the stems were a bulb the size of a marble. These strange appendages moved constantly when the head was still, I would imagine like the eye stalks of a snail.
Further on the ”ears”, the creature in the cove was startled on land, fled through the weed and showed these weird erect ears when swimming away. The Swedish case, an October 1893 incident well documented in a newspaper. Two girls were heating water and doing laundry near the shore. The creature swam towards them, gazed and stayed around for one and a half hour. One time it came close and raised its head above the surface. Its ”ears” were tucked tightly against the neck, and when it raised them the rattling noise was produced. Finally the girls pelted it with stones to make it move away. 
When these creatures periscope their necks and head and obviously does some scouting or listening, no such neck frills are ever reported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>”Horns” and ”ears”</p>
<p>There actually is one single Norwegian sighting of a head with something odd attached to the head, call it horns, protuberances or whatever. Two boys went fishing in a lake and the one boy detected a presumably resting or sleeping animal. He decided to put a large stone on the beasts head in the shallow water, then tie it to a tree. Naturally the creature shook off the boulder, raised its head and hissed at the boy who was virtually standing in water beside the animal. When initially lying half submerged and resting the boy noticed that the creature’s head had two strange stalks, one on each side of the head a little distance behind the eyes, and at the end of the stems were a bulb the size of a marble. These strange appendages moved constantly when the head was still, I would imagine like the eye stalks of a snail.<br />
Further on the ”ears”, the creature in the cove was startled on land, fled through the weed and showed these weird erect ears when swimming away. The Swedish case, an October 1893 incident well documented in a newspaper. Two girls were heating water and doing laundry near the shore. The creature swam towards them, gazed and stayed around for one and a half hour. One time it came close and raised its head above the surface. Its ”ears” were tucked tightly against the neck, and when it raised them the rattling noise was produced. Finally the girls pelted it with stones to make it move away.<br />
When these creatures periscope their necks and head and obviously does some scouting or listening, no such neck frills are ever reported.</p>
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		<title>By: springheeledjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>springheeledjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM--thanks for the info...that is kind of where i was going with the giraffe horns, and I think that is one possibility.  Like you said, we really have no idea until we get something solid to go on, but that&#039;s why I like discussing these things--gives me ideas to research, others a chance to enlighten and the rest a chance to think.

Erik K--that&#039;s interesting too, and something I have wondered about...with all of the sightings over the decades, the &quot;ears&quot; are not often observed...or at least reported and I have wondered whether the whatever-they-ares are used for a specific purpose (whether it is sensory in nature or a communicative device), and only extend when there is a need.  

More good food for thought.  

Thanks!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM&#8211;thanks for the info&#8230;that is kind of where i was going with the giraffe horns, and I think that is one possibility.  Like you said, we really have no idea until we get something solid to go on, but that&#8217;s why I like discussing these things&#8211;gives me ideas to research, others a chance to enlighten and the rest a chance to think.</p>
<p>Erik K&#8211;that&#8217;s interesting too, and something I have wondered about&#8230;with all of the sightings over the decades, the &#8220;ears&#8221; are not often observed&#8230;or at least reported and I have wondered whether the whatever-they-ares are used for a specific purpose (whether it is sensory in nature or a communicative device), and only extend when there is a need.  </p>
<p>More good food for thought.  </p>
<p>Thanks!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Knatterud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Knatterud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to comment on these protuberances, ears, flaps or whatever they are. In Sweden and Norway they have been observed a very few times on sea serpents, some sort of appendage attached to the back and high on the side of the head. In both cases in Norway the animals were sighted at short range, in a cove, the other near a rowing boat, and both resembled vaguely upright &quot;ears&quot;, not like long mule or moose ears, but rather modest sized ears compared to the head. In Sweden an animal approached two girls at the shore and erected these &quot;ears&quot; and moved or flapped them, producing a peculiar rattling sound, so it is possible that their function is of communication and can fold back lying tight against the neck when not used. Being aquatic creatures they would hardly have open ears that water can intrude, but ears covered by membranes.
These &quot;ears&quot; do not resemble the &quot;fins&quot; seen by the Clark brothers which looked more like fish fins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to comment on these protuberances, ears, flaps or whatever they are. In Sweden and Norway they have been observed a very few times on sea serpents, some sort of appendage attached to the back and high on the side of the head. In both cases in Norway the animals were sighted at short range, in a cove, the other near a rowing boat, and both resembled vaguely upright &#8220;ears&#8221;, not like long mule or moose ears, but rather modest sized ears compared to the head. In Sweden an animal approached two girls at the shore and erected these &#8220;ears&#8221; and moved or flapped them, producing a peculiar rattling sound, so it is possible that their function is of communication and can fold back lying tight against the neck when not used. Being aquatic creatures they would hardly have open ears that water can intrude, but ears covered by membranes.<br />
These &#8220;ears&#8221; do not resemble the &#8220;fins&#8221; seen by the Clark brothers which looked more like fish fins.</p>
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		<title>By: sschaper</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t totally rule out a giant sea snail, either. Particularly if it normally lives at great depths, feeding off ocean floor organic debris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t totally rule out a giant sea snail, either. Particularly if it normally lives at great depths, feeding off ocean floor organic debris.</p>
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		<title>By: praetorian</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever since I read Peter Costello&#039;s &quot;In Search of Lake Monsters&quot; many years ago, I&#039;ve always been partial to a pinniped identity for lake and sea monsters. Loren&#039;s recent posting on the upcoming paper by Darren Naish and Michael Woodley that identifies three possible variations of large long-necked seals as likely culprits gave me hope that the mystery, in part anyway, may be pretty close to a solution.  

When you take into account sighting conditions, sexual dimorphism, and maturity-related differences I don&#039;t think there are many sightings that the super long-necked pinniped ID can&#039;t cover. There&#039;s nothing in the Walden account that makes it unique in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since I read Peter Costello&#8217;s &#8220;In Search of Lake Monsters&#8221; many years ago, I&#8217;ve always been partial to a pinniped identity for lake and sea monsters. Loren&#8217;s recent posting on the upcoming paper by Darren Naish and Michael Woodley that identifies three possible variations of large long-necked seals as likely culprits gave me hope that the mystery, in part anyway, may be pretty close to a solution.  </p>
<p>When you take into account sighting conditions, sexual dimorphism, and maturity-related differences I don&#8217;t think there are many sightings that the super long-necked pinniped ID can&#8217;t cover. There&#8217;s nothing in the Walden account that makes it unique in that respect.</p>
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		<title>By: shumway10973</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quacker1, we are talking about something that has probably escaped the fossil record for one main reason...It looks to still be alive.  The fossil record is just that a record of fossils.  We are in no position to find the remains of these creatures, which if one dies and falls to the ocean floor without being eaten and torn apart, we will still not find it.  Look at all the animals alive today that are not apart of the fossil record.  We are talking about a totally separate creature, a living dinosaur (I use that word simply because of its size and its prehistoric look.  As far as we know it could even be some sort of fish.)  All I was saying is that if you look at the &quot;classic sea serpent&quot; drawings there are fin like things around the head that are perfect for ears.  There is usually also a long dorsal fin running the length of the whole creature.  I have spent a lot of time looking at these drawings as a child.  They always did have an &quot;eel&quot; feeling about them.  Look here&#039;s what we know: The thing described above is an unknown serpentine like thing of great size that lives in the water.  That is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quacker1, we are talking about something that has probably escaped the fossil record for one main reason&#8230;It looks to still be alive.  The fossil record is just that a record of fossils.  We are in no position to find the remains of these creatures, which if one dies and falls to the ocean floor without being eaten and torn apart, we will still not find it.  Look at all the animals alive today that are not apart of the fossil record.  We are talking about a totally separate creature, a living dinosaur (I use that word simply because of its size and its prehistoric look.  As far as we know it could even be some sort of fish.)  All I was saying is that if you look at the &#8220;classic sea serpent&#8221; drawings there are fin like things around the head that are perfect for ears.  There is usually also a long dorsal fin running the length of the whole creature.  I have spent a lot of time looking at these drawings as a child.  They always did have an &#8220;eel&#8221; feeling about them.  Look here&#8217;s what we know: The thing described above is an unknown serpentine like thing of great size that lives in the water.  That is all.</p>
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