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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the information, Mystery_Man. 

That WAS a thought-provoking question Ceroill asked. Given that the Anime field is so vast and &quot;complex,&quot; I don&#039;t blame you for not having an answer. 
On a &quot;unrelated&quot; note:

Those are some good-looking women there at Kayo Dot. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the information, Mystery_Man. </p>
<p>That WAS a thought-provoking question Ceroill asked. Given that the Anime field is so vast and &#8220;complex,&#8221; I don&#8217;t blame you for not having an answer.<br />
On a &#8220;unrelated&#8221; note:</p>
<p>Those are some good-looking women there at Kayo Dot. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fhqwhgads</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks a lot like a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planarian&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;planarian&lt;/a&gt;, except for the size.  Flatworms can&#039;t get very thick, but maybe they could grow longer and wider than the typical planarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks a lot like a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planarian" rel="nofollow">planarian</a>, except for the size.  Flatworms can&#8217;t get very thick, but maybe they could grow longer and wider than the typical planarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceroill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceroill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am suddenly struck with the thought of wondering what potential cryptid beasties might exist in the old Ainu traditions.</description>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ceroill- Whoa, I hadn&#039;t realized people were still posting on this thread, so I missed your comment. Sorry for the late reply.

As to your idea on the development of the human voice of the tsuchinoko, I think what you said is spot on. Sure, there are animals, like parrots, that are capable of being great mimics but snakes are not exactly known for that sort of thing. I think any of the vocalizations described for the tsuchinoko would be highly unusual for a snake, let alone human voices.

Concerning your inquiry on Japanese anime, I have to first off admit that this is one aspect of Japanese culture that I am not particularly well versed in, so I would have rather had someone here who is more knowledgable on the subject to answer your question. However in my opinion (I do have a passing knowledge), anime styles such as &quot;super deformed&quot; reflect a wide array of cultural aspects and sensitivities. So while I don&#039;t think the tsuchinoko is the sole inspiration for that style, I wouldn’t be surprised if it had some influence. That is an interesting cultural observation you made, I only wish I was more informed to give you a better and more concise answer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ceroill- Whoa, I hadn&#8217;t realized people were still posting on this thread, so I missed your comment. Sorry for the late reply.</p>
<p>As to your idea on the development of the human voice of the tsuchinoko, I think what you said is spot on. Sure, there are animals, like parrots, that are capable of being great mimics but snakes are not exactly known for that sort of thing. I think any of the vocalizations described for the tsuchinoko would be highly unusual for a snake, let alone human voices.</p>
<p>Concerning your inquiry on Japanese anime, I have to first off admit that this is one aspect of Japanese culture that I am not particularly well versed in, so I would have rather had someone here who is more knowledgable on the subject to answer your question. However in my opinion (I do have a passing knowledge), anime styles such as &#8220;super deformed&#8221; reflect a wide array of cultural aspects and sensitivities. So while I don&#8217;t think the tsuchinoko is the sole inspiration for that style, I wouldn’t be surprised if it had some influence. That is an interesting cultural observation you made, I only wish I was more informed to give you a better and more concise answer!</p>
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		<title>By: Ceroill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceroill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM, I also find interesting the supposed ability to mimic human voices. I&#039;ve noticed that this is also claimed for various mythical beasts around the world,  such as the Lamia. I agree that is a highly unlikely ability though, and probably is based on the similarity various animal and bird calls have to human sounding moans, screams, etc. The barn owl is a good example, I think. Since one seldom sees an animal when such calls are made, it is easy to assign a variety of sounds to one animal over a period of time.

Finally, here&#039;s a bit of cultural speculation: What do you think of the idea (just occurred to me) that the proportions of the tsuchinoko being an influence on the development of that peculiar style of anime called SD or Super Deformed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM, I also find interesting the supposed ability to mimic human voices. I&#8217;ve noticed that this is also claimed for various mythical beasts around the world,  such as the Lamia. I agree that is a highly unlikely ability though, and probably is based on the similarity various animal and bird calls have to human sounding moans, screams, etc. The barn owl is a good example, I think. Since one seldom sees an animal when such calls are made, it is easy to assign a variety of sounds to one animal over a period of time.</p>
<p>Finally, here&#8217;s a bit of cultural speculation: What do you think of the idea (just occurred to me) that the proportions of the tsuchinoko being an influence on the development of that peculiar style of anime called SD or Super Deformed?</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogu4- I do not have a completely intimate knowledge of the organizations that look for the tsuchinoko, but as far as I can tell, these groups seem to mostly be involved in very much  the weekend warrior type of excursion as there doesn&#039;t seem to be a lot of money pouring into such things. I imagine these people are very much like Bigfoot hunters who work out of their own pockets in their own free time, and unfortunately that is probably going to hamper any results. They do seem to be thorough about following up sightings reports and searching in likely locations, but unfortunately I cannot say for sure how scientific their research methods are. As to the book you mentioned, I have not read it yet, but I have been meaning to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogu4- I do not have a completely intimate knowledge of the organizations that look for the tsuchinoko, but as far as I can tell, these groups seem to mostly be involved in very much  the weekend warrior type of excursion as there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a lot of money pouring into such things. I imagine these people are very much like Bigfoot hunters who work out of their own pockets in their own free time, and unfortunately that is probably going to hamper any results. They do seem to be thorough about following up sightings reports and searching in likely locations, but unfortunately I cannot say for sure how scientific their research methods are. As to the book you mentioned, I have not read it yet, but I have been meaning to!</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mystery Man; thanks for the comprehensive description of the beast. It&#039;s good to know that among the professionals there are some who appreciate that somethings go unseen, overlooked, and otherwise ignored.

You say that there is a group who seek it. Is there a general approach that they take? Not having been to Japan, yet, I wonder where I&#039;d plan an expedition to look, actually it would be more like a pretext to get outta town and hang. Cheers.

PS, have you read Charles Mann&#039;s &quot;1491&quot;? I am now and it&#039;s altering my understanding of the way field science (archaeology and paleoanthropology in this case) and its interpretation work in the real world with some surprising new revelations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mystery Man; thanks for the comprehensive description of the beast. It&#8217;s good to know that among the professionals there are some who appreciate that somethings go unseen, overlooked, and otherwise ignored.</p>
<p>You say that there is a group who seek it. Is there a general approach that they take? Not having been to Japan, yet, I wonder where I&#8217;d plan an expedition to look, actually it would be more like a pretext to get outta town and hang. Cheers.</p>
<p>PS, have you read Charles Mann&#8217;s &#8220;1491&#8243;? I am now and it&#8217;s altering my understanding of the way field science (archaeology and paleoanthropology in this case) and its interpretation work in the real world with some surprising new revelations.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tsuchinoko is interesting in that it is so seeped with folklore going back throughout history and such a pop cultural icon in Japan, yet there seem to be relatively few people here who I have personally met who actually entertain the thought that they are a real animal.

I am very enamored with the stories of the tsuchinoko and the myths and folklore associated with it, indeed it is one of my favorite Japanese cryptids, yet I remain on the skeptical side as to its actual existence. To me, there are some key points that need to be looked at critically concerning the way the animal is typically described.

First off, the tsuchinoko is renowned for its ability to make great leaps of several meters. This is interesting as the snake is always described as quite thick in the middle, quite sturdy and heavy looking, which is not a good design for making such jumps. What to make of this? There was a good comment on the so called &quot;flying snakes&quot;, and this could offer a possible explanation, although accounts are quite clear that the snakes are jumping horizontally from a set position rather than gliding. It could also be the result of exaggeration or a misidentification of some other form of locomotion such as the &quot;sidewinding&quot; that some snakes do, or a particularly explosive strike at prey. And if you think the leaping is an odd feature, consider that there are reports of the snake taking its tail within its mouth and rolling along like a wheel.

Second is the shape of the snake, which as I mentioned is very thick in the middle. As someone else mentioned, this could very easily be caused by the witness seeing a recently fed snake. There was even a case some years back where someone claimed to have captured a tsuchinoko and it turned out to be just a gorged common variety of snake.

Third is the purported cases of the tsuchinoko&#039;s wide range of vocalizations that range from whistles, to grunts, to chirping. Some accounts tell of their ability to even mimick a human&#039;s voice. I feel this sort of vocal range would be odd for a snake to have developed, and I think instead this might be more exagerration or confusion of another sound for one made by the snake.

There are other reported seemingly magical abilities of the tsuchinoko as well, and so like other Japanese animals both real and imagined, I think it is sometimes hard to tell where the folklore ends and the facts begin. If there is a new species of snake out here in Japan, I am doubtful that it can do everything it is reportedly able to do. Of course there have been animals before that were very real despite being given fantastic or even supernatural descriptions, so I do not wholly rule out the existence of a new type of snake in Japan. There are groups out there who still actively search for the tsuchinoko and I would be thrilled for them to turn up a new reptile. I just think the more mundane possible explanations have to be given weight as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tsuchinoko is interesting in that it is so seeped with folklore going back throughout history and such a pop cultural icon in Japan, yet there seem to be relatively few people here who I have personally met who actually entertain the thought that they are a real animal.</p>
<p>I am very enamored with the stories of the tsuchinoko and the myths and folklore associated with it, indeed it is one of my favorite Japanese cryptids, yet I remain on the skeptical side as to its actual existence. To me, there are some key points that need to be looked at critically concerning the way the animal is typically described.</p>
<p>First off, the tsuchinoko is renowned for its ability to make great leaps of several meters. This is interesting as the snake is always described as quite thick in the middle, quite sturdy and heavy looking, which is not a good design for making such jumps. What to make of this? There was a good comment on the so called &#8220;flying snakes&#8221;, and this could offer a possible explanation, although accounts are quite clear that the snakes are jumping horizontally from a set position rather than gliding. It could also be the result of exaggeration or a misidentification of some other form of locomotion such as the &#8220;sidewinding&#8221; that some snakes do, or a particularly explosive strike at prey. And if you think the leaping is an odd feature, consider that there are reports of the snake taking its tail within its mouth and rolling along like a wheel.</p>
<p>Second is the shape of the snake, which as I mentioned is very thick in the middle. As someone else mentioned, this could very easily be caused by the witness seeing a recently fed snake. There was even a case some years back where someone claimed to have captured a tsuchinoko and it turned out to be just a gorged common variety of snake.</p>
<p>Third is the purported cases of the tsuchinoko&#8217;s wide range of vocalizations that range from whistles, to grunts, to chirping. Some accounts tell of their ability to even mimick a human&#8217;s voice. I feel this sort of vocal range would be odd for a snake to have developed, and I think instead this might be more exagerration or confusion of another sound for one made by the snake.</p>
<p>There are other reported seemingly magical abilities of the tsuchinoko as well, and so like other Japanese animals both real and imagined, I think it is sometimes hard to tell where the folklore ends and the facts begin. If there is a new species of snake out here in Japan, I am doubtful that it can do everything it is reportedly able to do. Of course there have been animals before that were very real despite being given fantastic or even supernatural descriptions, so I do not wholly rule out the existence of a new type of snake in Japan. There are groups out there who still actively search for the tsuchinoko and I would be thrilled for them to turn up a new reptile. I just think the more mundane possible explanations have to be given weight as well.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I&#039;m gone for a couple of weeks and one of my favorite Japanese cryptids springs up on the site while I&#039;m gone! The folklore behind this snake is amazing and goes back a very long time throughout recorded history. The presence of the tsuchinoko is still very much alive in modern popular culture over here in Japan, and it pops up in everything from children&#039;s books, to advertising, to video games. It is known by pretty much everyone, but interestingly enough I have not met very many people here who think it actually exists.

Although I have an open mind, I myself am a bit on the skeptical side of the actual existence of a new species of snake fitting the description provided from reports and the lore for several reasons. First, the description of the snake is always of one that is fat in the middle and fairly hardy and heavy looking, not at all the type of design I would think would be conducive to making the several meter long leaps it is reportedly capable of. Also, the snake is said to be capable of a wide range of vocalizations of the type that would be very odd for a snake to have developed. Some even say it is capable of mimicking a human voice. I won&#039;t even get into the magical properties attributed to it through the ages.

These things in and of themselves probably do not rule out a new species of snake as we all know that native accounts of real ethnoknown species can often have some somewhat fantastic descriptions and yet they are based on an actual animal. I just think there are some possible mundane explanations for a lot of the sightings. Someone here already mentioned that the description of a fat middle body could possibly be caused by a snake that has recently fed. The jumping ability could be exaggerated, or a misrepresentation of some other form of unusual locomotion such as can be seen in the &quot;sidewinder&quot; snakes. The vocalizations said to be made by the snake could be exaggerated, the product of an overactive imagination, or even be caused by other strange sounds caused by something else during the sighting, and then mistakenly attributed to the snake. If there is a new type of snake in Japan, I feel it almost certainly cannot do everything it is said to be able to do and it would be interesting to see just what it CAN do and how it does move.

In the end, I am open to the idea of a new species of snake in Japan, but it is hard to say if this is the case when it comes to the tsuchinoko. It is hard to tell where any real creature might begin and where myth and folklore ends and so I think a critical approach should be taken.  It could be a real snake, colored by folklore, I will not rule that out yet I think more mundane possibilities need to be looked at as well. Nevertheless, there are groups in Japan still actively searching for the snake and there are occasional rewards offered for a specimen, so who knows? Maybe it is the next new species waiting to be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;m gone for a couple of weeks and one of my favorite Japanese cryptids springs up on the site while I&#8217;m gone! The folklore behind this snake is amazing and goes back a very long time throughout recorded history. The presence of the tsuchinoko is still very much alive in modern popular culture over here in Japan, and it pops up in everything from children&#8217;s books, to advertising, to video games. It is known by pretty much everyone, but interestingly enough I have not met very many people here who think it actually exists.</p>
<p>Although I have an open mind, I myself am a bit on the skeptical side of the actual existence of a new species of snake fitting the description provided from reports and the lore for several reasons. First, the description of the snake is always of one that is fat in the middle and fairly hardy and heavy looking, not at all the type of design I would think would be conducive to making the several meter long leaps it is reportedly capable of. Also, the snake is said to be capable of a wide range of vocalizations of the type that would be very odd for a snake to have developed. Some even say it is capable of mimicking a human voice. I won&#8217;t even get into the magical properties attributed to it through the ages.</p>
<p>These things in and of themselves probably do not rule out a new species of snake as we all know that native accounts of real ethnoknown species can often have some somewhat fantastic descriptions and yet they are based on an actual animal. I just think there are some possible mundane explanations for a lot of the sightings. Someone here already mentioned that the description of a fat middle body could possibly be caused by a snake that has recently fed. The jumping ability could be exaggerated, or a misrepresentation of some other form of unusual locomotion such as can be seen in the &#8220;sidewinder&#8221; snakes. The vocalizations said to be made by the snake could be exaggerated, the product of an overactive imagination, or even be caused by other strange sounds caused by something else during the sighting, and then mistakenly attributed to the snake. If there is a new type of snake in Japan, I feel it almost certainly cannot do everything it is said to be able to do and it would be interesting to see just what it CAN do and how it does move.</p>
<p>In the end, I am open to the idea of a new species of snake in Japan, but it is hard to say if this is the case when it comes to the tsuchinoko. It is hard to tell where any real creature might begin and where myth and folklore ends and so I think a critical approach should be taken.  It could be a real snake, colored by folklore, I will not rule that out yet I think more mundane possibilities need to be looked at as well. Nevertheless, there are groups in Japan still actively searching for the snake and there are occasional rewards offered for a specimen, so who knows? Maybe it is the next new species waiting to be found.</p>
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		<title>By: Bake Neko</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tsuchinoko has been around in Japan for quite a long time. Its in the Kojiki which is the oldest book here in Japan. Most of the book is in Chinese characters and there are few names and phrases in Japanese. It seems like folklore to me. Just like the tanuki and the bake neko. A Doraemon head? He has a very round head. I cannot imagine a snake that looks like that. Seems more like a lizard than a snake. But regardless the tsuchinoko has been sighted since the Jomon period (13,000 BC I think) and will probably continue to be sighted in mainland Japan until proved or disproved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tsuchinoko has been around in Japan for quite a long time. Its in the Kojiki which is the oldest book here in Japan. Most of the book is in Chinese characters and there are few names and phrases in Japanese. It seems like folklore to me. Just like the tanuki and the bake neko. A Doraemon head? He has a very round head. I cannot imagine a snake that looks like that. Seems more like a lizard than a snake. But regardless the tsuchinoko has been sighted since the Jomon period (13,000 BC I think) and will probably continue to be sighted in mainland Japan until proved or disproved.</p>
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