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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[chatwarrior66- Yes, the death adder is keeping with the appearance of other candidate species and genera I tend to think the Tsuchinoko may represent. 

I think that the Tsuchinoko is likely a new species of viper or pit viper, or a type of snake that has evolved in a similar fashion. For example, while the death adder you mentioned is in &lt;em&gt;Acanthophis&lt;/em&gt; genus of the Elapidae family of snakes (related to the cobra and mamba), and not a real viper, it resembles one due to convergent evolution so you could be on to something. The overall shape and some other characteristics on all of these types of snake look very much like some descriptions of the Tsuchinoko. Even if the Tsuchinoko it is not directly related to vipers, we could still be looking at convergent evolution (like what happened with the death adder), with the same type of viper-like features. 

Then there&#039;s the thing with water. Water is a very common factor in sightings, so I think it is very likely that we are looking at a snake that has evolved to a semi-aquatic lifestyle. Because of this, I am particularly interested in the possibility of the Tsuchinoko being perhaps a semi-aquatic snake like the water moccasin (&lt;em&gt;Agkistrodon&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;piscivorous&lt;/em&gt;), a member of the &lt;em&gt;Agkistrodon&lt;/em&gt; genus of Crotalids (pit vipers).  It is always found near water and even in the sea, and it looks very Tsuchinoko-like. Perhaps the Tsuchinoko has evolved in a similar way and is a new, water loving species of &lt;em&gt;Agkistrodon&lt;/em&gt;, a subspecies, some other water adapted type of viper, or maybe even its own genus or subfamily.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chatwarrior66- Yes, the death adder is keeping with the appearance of other candidate species and genera I tend to think the Tsuchinoko may represent. </p>
<p>I think that the Tsuchinoko is likely a new species of viper or pit viper, or a type of snake that has evolved in a similar fashion. For example, while the death adder you mentioned is in <em>Acanthophis</em> genus of the Elapidae family of snakes (related to the cobra and mamba), and not a real viper, it resembles one due to convergent evolution so you could be on to something. The overall shape and some other characteristics on all of these types of snake look very much like some descriptions of the Tsuchinoko. Even if the Tsuchinoko it is not directly related to vipers, we could still be looking at convergent evolution (like what happened with the death adder), with the same type of viper-like features. </p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the thing with water. Water is a very common factor in sightings, so I think it is very likely that we are looking at a snake that has evolved to a semi-aquatic lifestyle. Because of this, I am particularly interested in the possibility of the Tsuchinoko being perhaps a semi-aquatic snake like the water moccasin (<em>Agkistrodon</em> <em>piscivorous</em>), a member of the <em>Agkistrodon</em> genus of Crotalids (pit vipers).  It is always found near water and even in the sea, and it looks very Tsuchinoko-like. Perhaps the Tsuchinoko has evolved in a similar way and is a new, water loving species of <em>Agkistrodon</em>, a subspecies, some other water adapted type of viper, or maybe even its own genus or subfamily.</p>
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		<title>By: chatwarrior66</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wondering why no aussies have said this but. Look up deathadder (an australian snake) and run through a few of the pictures of them. Another species of a deathadder? Looks about the same, the water thou?, they hang out in heavy forests underneath leaves with the small tail hanging out acting like a worm to attract its prey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wondering why no aussies have said this but. Look up deathadder (an australian snake) and run through a few of the pictures of them. Another species of a deathadder? Looks about the same, the water thou?, they hang out in heavy forests underneath leaves with the small tail hanging out acting like a worm to attract its prey.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The report of a metallic looking snake is interesting for me as well. Of all of the reports of Tsuchinoko I&#039;ve read, that is one detail I haven&#039;t seen very often. It&#039;s one of the reasons I included it in this article. Same goes for the one that describes it as having a head like a tortoise. Two very unique reports. 

I mentioned the reports with the eyes because that is one feature that is often cited in many reports. The witness will sometimes say the eyes were very large and prominent, sometimes even that the eyes were somehow mesmerizing. An interesting detail. 

The rat like tail is also commonly reported, as is a face that typically looks like it is grinning. Comparisons to the Cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland spring to mind. This is an interesting feature for me because the folklore often made the Tsuchinoko out to be a liar and a mischief maker, often lying to travelers to try and mislead them (presumably just for the heck of it). Now of course snakes don&#039;t grin, that&#039;s ridiculous. But if it is a real snake with a mouth set or colored to somehow look like a grin, then the &quot;grin&quot; could have been interpreted as a mischievous one and the folklore would reflect that. So you would get a folkloric element stemming from a real feature of the animal, as has happened with many known animals.

The way of moving and the sounds it is reported to make could have originated from real occurrences as well, such as hearing an unrelated sound and attributing it to the snake, or seeing a snake tumble down a hill or lunging at prey and thinking that it was rolling along or jumping.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The report of a metallic looking snake is interesting for me as well. Of all of the reports of Tsuchinoko I&#8217;ve read, that is one detail I haven&#8217;t seen very often. It&#8217;s one of the reasons I included it in this article. Same goes for the one that describes it as having a head like a tortoise. Two very unique reports. </p>
<p>I mentioned the reports with the eyes because that is one feature that is often cited in many reports. The witness will sometimes say the eyes were very large and prominent, sometimes even that the eyes were somehow mesmerizing. An interesting detail. </p>
<p>The rat like tail is also commonly reported, as is a face that typically looks like it is grinning. Comparisons to the Cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland spring to mind. This is an interesting feature for me because the folklore often made the Tsuchinoko out to be a liar and a mischief maker, often lying to travelers to try and mislead them (presumably just for the heck of it). Now of course snakes don&#8217;t grin, that&#8217;s ridiculous. But if it is a real snake with a mouth set or colored to somehow look like a grin, then the &#8220;grin&#8221; could have been interpreted as a mischievous one and the folklore would reflect that. So you would get a folkloric element stemming from a real feature of the animal, as has happened with many known animals.</p>
<p>The way of moving and the sounds it is reported to make could have originated from real occurrences as well, such as hearing an unrelated sound and attributing it to the snake, or seeing a snake tumble down a hill or lunging at prey and thinking that it was rolling along or jumping.</p>
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		<title>By: Dj Plasmic Nebula</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes. i can see a metallic like snake. AWESOME&gt; ;)
i agree it can be a baby animal.

but.... who knows. :) it may not be a snake at all or lizard. but a new kind.for all we know it could be a legless shell less turtle. 

Hmm.. could they be a baby of a gigantic animal?

after all the babies don&#039;t have to be big to have parents sizes of sharks....they probably can grow larger than a whale or the size of a whale. may be the sea animal in the legends.. who knows.. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes. i can see a metallic like snake. AWESOME&gt; <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
i agree it can be a baby animal.</p>
<p>but&#8230;. who knows. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  it may not be a snake at all or lizard. but a new kind.for all we know it could be a legless shell less turtle. </p>
<p>Hmm.. could they be a baby of a gigantic animal?</p>
<p>after all the babies don&#8217;t have to be big to have parents sizes of sharks&#8230;.they probably can grow larger than a whale or the size of a whale. may be the sea animal in the legends.. who knows.. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wdsasquatch- That&#039;s the kind of good, speculative thinking I like to see concerning these cryptids. It is an interesting concept, but as far as I know, no correlations to sea serpents have ever been made in reports stretching back for centuries. I&#039;d be more willing to entertain the notion if there had been reports along those lines, such as Tsuchinokos being spotted in the oceans or deltas, or being birthed by larger versions, etc. Also, many sightings happen far from the sea in the middle of nowhere, and there are a good many land sightings as well. They are most definitely not ALWAYS seen in the water, and are known more for their jumping than their swimming, I&#039;d say. 

However, that being said, your idea has some merits. There are several physical features and behaviors that could biologically explain what is often mentioned in reports. For instance, Tsuchinokos indeed are known to have a fondness for water, and many sightings do take place in water. The Tsuchinoko is often mentioned as escaping threats by going into the water as well. Also, the eyes you mentioned are a prominent feature in most reports, so they could be for the purpose of seeing underwater. The trademark fat middle could be stores of fat for use as energy to make the long journey down stream or to protect from Japan&#039;s cold seas. All of these things would fit in with your idea.

I just think that if it were a sea serpent, there would be some mention of it in the sightings and lore. Also, since they are seen on land and seem to get around just find there, I&#039;m not sure if I could classify the Tsuchinoko as a completely aquatic animal. It seems more to me like a terrestrial snake that happens to love water, like a water moccasin. 

Anyhow, I really do enjoy hearing these ideas. Thanks wdsasquatch for sharing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wdsasquatch- That&#8217;s the kind of good, speculative thinking I like to see concerning these cryptids. It is an interesting concept, but as far as I know, no correlations to sea serpents have ever been made in reports stretching back for centuries. I&#8217;d be more willing to entertain the notion if there had been reports along those lines, such as Tsuchinokos being spotted in the oceans or deltas, or being birthed by larger versions, etc. Also, many sightings happen far from the sea in the middle of nowhere, and there are a good many land sightings as well. They are most definitely not ALWAYS seen in the water, and are known more for their jumping than their swimming, I&#8217;d say. </p>
<p>However, that being said, your idea has some merits. There are several physical features and behaviors that could biologically explain what is often mentioned in reports. For instance, Tsuchinokos indeed are known to have a fondness for water, and many sightings do take place in water. The Tsuchinoko is often mentioned as escaping threats by going into the water as well. Also, the eyes you mentioned are a prominent feature in most reports, so they could be for the purpose of seeing underwater. The trademark fat middle could be stores of fat for use as energy to make the long journey down stream or to protect from Japan&#8217;s cold seas. All of these things would fit in with your idea.</p>
<p>I just think that if it were a sea serpent, there would be some mention of it in the sightings and lore. Also, since they are seen on land and seem to get around just find there, I&#8217;m not sure if I could classify the Tsuchinoko as a completely aquatic animal. It seems more to me like a terrestrial snake that happens to love water, like a water moccasin. </p>
<p>Anyhow, I really do enjoy hearing these ideas. Thanks wdsasquatch for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: wdsasquatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>wdsasquatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe the Tsuchinoko is a sea serpent. It is sighted in water alot and very little on land.

Maybe the &quot;snake&quot; people are seeing is actually some baby form of a sea serpent making its way to the water. It might be struggling to get to the water, and people see this as a way of odd locomotion. They might live deep in the water, explaining their large eyes.

Just a thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the Tsuchinoko is a sea serpent. It is sighted in water alot and very little on land.</p>
<p>Maybe the &#8220;snake&#8221; people are seeing is actually some baby form of a sea serpent making its way to the water. It might be struggling to get to the water, and people see this as a way of odd locomotion. They might live deep in the water, explaining their large eyes.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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