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		<title>By: fmurphy1970</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/tianchi6video/#comment-34796</link>
		<dc:creator>fmurphy1970</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be worth referring back to earlier photographs of unidentified creatures from Tainchi Lake when assessing this video.

The first one, when magnified seems to show a large shadow under water, which coincides with a sighting of two creatures by about 100 tourists in August this year. Not a great photograph! Could be anything.

http://www.cctv.com/program/cultureexpress/20070824/108046.shtml

The second photo shows what appears to be a head sticking out of the water, although the object is blurred when compared to the background which is in focus. This would seem to indicate the object was moving. Maybe a duck flapping it's wings?!

http://www.cctv.com/program/cultureexpress/20070824/108046_1.shtml

There is no guaruntee of course that what is in these photos represent the same creatures in the video. We cannot make that assumption.
See what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be worth referring back to earlier photographs of unidentified creatures from Tainchi Lake when assessing this video.</p>
<p>The first one, when magnified seems to show a large shadow under water, which coincides with a sighting of two creatures by about 100 tourists in August this year. Not a great photograph! Could be anything.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cctv.com/program/cultureexpress/20070824/108046.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cctv.com/program/cultureexpress/20070824/108046.shtml</a></p>
<p>The second photo shows what appears to be a head sticking out of the water, although the object is blurred when compared to the background which is in focus. This would seem to indicate the object was moving. Maybe a duck flapping it&#8217;s wings?!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cctv.com/program/cultureexpress/20070824/108046_1.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cctv.com/program/cultureexpress/20070824/108046_1.shtml</a></p>
<p>There is no guaruntee of course that what is in these photos represent the same creatures in the video. We cannot make that assumption.<br />
See what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: JTM5</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/tianchi6video/#comment-34795</link>
		<dc:creator>JTM5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monsters? maybe. but it could be fish...
nah, probably Pleisiasaurus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monsters? maybe. but it could be fish&#8230;<br />
nah, probably Pleisiasaurus.</p>
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		<title>By: twas brillig</title>
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		<dc:creator>twas brillig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd consider a formation of Otters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d consider a formation of Otters.</p>
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		<title>By: Alligator</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/tianchi6video/#comment-34793</link>
		<dc:creator>Alligator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"# shovethenos responds:  September 19th, 2007 at 2:16 am

Alligator-

Sorry no plesiosaur, no oarfish, no otters on this one. Gotta stick with ducks.

You sound like you think your opinion is definitive or conclusive on this, even when there is no evidence to support it.

And again, I didn’t mention the word plesiosaur. It seems like the only ones bringing that word up are those refuting it when no one has claimed it. A straw plesiosaur, I guess. Or just a tactic to try to make anyone that disagrees with you seem like a kook, even when the evidence supports them."

Lighten up there a bit shovethnos.  No offense was intended.  I am merely expressing my opinion of how I interpret what I see in the video - just like everyone else here does.  If I thought cryptozoology was simply kook stuff, I'd say so and I probably wouldn't be here in the first place.  Am I skeptical on a lot things?  Sure, I am but even I've seen and heard some things that I've had difficulty explaining.  On the other hand I've had experience with wildlife and waterfowl and this is what I see in this video.  If better video or a carcass of an unknown critter turns up in this lake, I'll cheer and admit I was wrong. As for the plesiosaur remark, that was a general comment not intended to slam you or anyone.  If Loren should think my post was out of line or attacking or demeaning to you or anyone else then I'll just stay out of here.   In the meantime, some of us are going to look at the same thing and come to different conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;# shovethenos responds:  September 19th, 2007 at 2:16 am</p>
<p>Alligator-</p>
<p>Sorry no plesiosaur, no oarfish, no otters on this one. Gotta stick with ducks.</p>
<p>You sound like you think your opinion is definitive or conclusive on this, even when there is no evidence to support it.</p>
<p>And again, I didn’t mention the word plesiosaur. It seems like the only ones bringing that word up are those refuting it when no one has claimed it. A straw plesiosaur, I guess. Or just a tactic to try to make anyone that disagrees with you seem like a kook, even when the evidence supports them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lighten up there a bit shovethnos.  No offense was intended.  I am merely expressing my opinion of how I interpret what I see in the video - just like everyone else here does.  If I thought cryptozoology was simply kook stuff, I&#8217;d say so and I probably wouldn&#8217;t be here in the first place.  Am I skeptical on a lot things?  Sure, I am but even I&#8217;ve seen and heard some things that I&#8217;ve had difficulty explaining.  On the other hand I&#8217;ve had experience with wildlife and waterfowl and this is what I see in this video.  If better video or a carcass of an unknown critter turns up in this lake, I&#8217;ll cheer and admit I was wrong. As for the plesiosaur remark, that was a general comment not intended to slam you or anyone.  If Loren should think my post was out of line or attacking or demeaning to you or anyone else then I&#8217;ll just stay out of here.   In the meantime, some of us are going to look at the same thing and come to different conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: shovethenos</title>
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		<dc:creator>shovethenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alligator-

&lt;i&gt;Sorry no plesiosaur, no oarfish, no otters on this one. Gotta stick with ducks.&lt;/i&gt;

You sound like you think your opinion is definitive or conclusive on this, even when there is no evidence to support it.

And again, I didn't mention the word plesiosaur. It seems like the only ones bringing that word up are those refuting it when no one has claimed it. A straw plesiosaur, I guess. Or just a tactic to try to make anyone that disagrees with you seem like a kook, even when the evidence supports them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alligator-</p>
<p><i>Sorry no plesiosaur, no oarfish, no otters on this one. Gotta stick with ducks.</i></p>
<p>You sound like you think your opinion is definitive or conclusive on this, even when there is no evidence to support it.</p>
<p>And again, I didn&#8217;t mention the word plesiosaur. It seems like the only ones bringing that word up are those refuting it when no one has claimed it. A straw plesiosaur, I guess. Or just a tactic to try to make anyone that disagrees with you seem like a kook, even when the evidence supports them.</p>
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		<title>By: shovethenos</title>
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		<dc:creator>shovethenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hlw-

&lt;i&gt;The beginning of the footage shows the objects moving left and leaving wakes behind.The right hand side of the wake is darker in the image and stands out more. There is nothing to show any locomotion motion if they were bodies. If there was large bodies below the surface the mass would make a bigger wake.&lt;/i&gt;

Look at the stills - screen captures - posted on the last Tianchi thread on this site. You can see it in the footage but not as readily as the stills. The second from the top shows long bodies or necks extending down from the part of the head that is breaking the surface. This is visible for most or all of the objects, and it isn't a shadow on the surface because the neck or body is at a slightly different angle for each object and you can see the color change between the part that is below the surface and that above the surface. It looks a lot like the classic profile of an aquatic snake going to the surface to take a breath.

As far as ducks go - again, this isn't what any of the eyewitnesses, even the ones observing for allegedly over an hour, observed. And ducks at least look around once in a while - to see what is going on around them, check for predators above the surface, etc. You don't see any head or neck above the surface coming from the objects at the surface, or any wings, feet, etc. I still don't see much support for this explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hlw-</p>
<p><i>The beginning of the footage shows the objects moving left and leaving wakes behind.The right hand side of the wake is darker in the image and stands out more. There is nothing to show any locomotion motion if they were bodies. If there was large bodies below the surface the mass would make a bigger wake.</i></p>
<p>Look at the stills - screen captures - posted on the last Tianchi thread on this site. You can see it in the footage but not as readily as the stills. The second from the top shows long bodies or necks extending down from the part of the head that is breaking the surface. This is visible for most or all of the objects, and it isn&#8217;t a shadow on the surface because the neck or body is at a slightly different angle for each object and you can see the color change between the part that is below the surface and that above the surface. It looks a lot like the classic profile of an aquatic snake going to the surface to take a breath.</p>
<p>As far as ducks go - again, this isn&#8217;t what any of the eyewitnesses, even the ones observing for allegedly over an hour, observed. And ducks at least look around once in a while - to see what is going on around them, check for predators above the surface, etc. You don&#8217;t see any head or neck above the surface coming from the objects at the surface, or any wings, feet, etc. I still don&#8217;t see much support for this explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Alligator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alligator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Dr. Dave.  Seen too many ducks, geese and waterfowl of other sorts all my life.  Still see them on the job frequently. I've seen really big diving ducks like mergansers out in the middle of lakes and they seldom flap wings when going down or coming up.  That is usually dabblers like pintails and mallards.   It is surprising how fast diving ducks can swim and the amount wake they can throw on a relatively calm body of water.   Oh, and the divers ride much lower in the water than the dabblers, giving the impression (from a distance or poor angle) that only a head is protruding.  Sorry no plesiosaur, no oarfish, no otters on this one.  Gotta stick with ducks.  I'd wager the man who filmed them was a city boy out on holiday who is unfamiliar with wildlife.  Therefore he saw something he could not identify and genuinely thought he was filming something strange and unknown.   That, or the Chinese are as much into hoaxing as some Americans and Europeans are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Dr. Dave.  Seen too many ducks, geese and waterfowl of other sorts all my life.  Still see them on the job frequently. I&#8217;ve seen really big diving ducks like mergansers out in the middle of lakes and they seldom flap wings when going down or coming up.  That is usually dabblers like pintails and mallards.   It is surprising how fast diving ducks can swim and the amount wake they can throw on a relatively calm body of water.   Oh, and the divers ride much lower in the water than the dabblers, giving the impression (from a distance or poor angle) that only a head is protruding.  Sorry no plesiosaur, no oarfish, no otters on this one.  Gotta stick with ducks.  I&#8217;d wager the man who filmed them was a city boy out on holiday who is unfamiliar with wildlife.  Therefore he saw something he could not identify and genuinely thought he was filming something strange and unknown.   That, or the Chinese are as much into hoaxing as some Americans and Europeans are.</p>
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		<title>By: elsanto</title>
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		<dc:creator>elsanto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note on the Italian commentary. Most of it is what people have already read from the articles circulating various media. However, one point that the commentary raises which was not mentioned in other media that I saw was this:

"...[according to a second witness] whatever it was that he saw, it was very strong because of the speed at which it was swimming..."

It also mentions that they were observed moving for an hour and a half.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note on the Italian commentary. Most of it is what people have already read from the articles circulating various media. However, one point that the commentary raises which was not mentioned in other media that I saw was this:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;[according to a second witness] whatever it was that he saw, it was very strong because of the speed at which it was swimming&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It also mentions that they were observed moving for an hour and a half.</p>
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		<title>By: rayrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>rayrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say something similar to an oarfish, whose been often mistaken for a sea serpent. The problem is the oarfish I believe is found only in salt water and only surfaces when sick or dying. Don't know if they swim in pods or whatever you'd call their families. Interesting video, but like most not revealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say something similar to an oarfish, whose been often mistaken for a sea serpent. The problem is the oarfish I believe is found only in salt water and only surfaces when sick or dying. Don&#8217;t know if they swim in pods or whatever you&#8217;d call their families. Interesting video, but like most not revealing.</p>
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		<title>By: CrimsonFox79</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrimsonFox79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The practice of just poking the head above water isn’t usually what waterfowl do"

But no one (at least I don't think) has said that what we are seeing is just heads. Myself, and I assume the others, think that what we are seeing is the entire body of the ducks/creatures. Therefore it is whole duck bodies swimming like normal ducks, not just duck heads. And they dive fully underwater for food.

What people are seeing as long necks, looks to me just like the shadowing of the trail behind them in the water.

I hope they are unknown creatures. But no matter how mnay time I watch the footage, there is nothing monster-like about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The practice of just poking the head above water isn’t usually what waterfowl do&#8221;</p>
<p>But no one (at least I don&#8217;t think) has said that what we are seeing is just heads. Myself, and I assume the others, think that what we are seeing is the entire body of the ducks/creatures. Therefore it is whole duck bodies swimming like normal ducks, not just duck heads. And they dive fully underwater for food.</p>
<p>What people are seeing as long necks, looks to me just like the shadowing of the trail behind them in the water.</p>
<p>I hope they are unknown creatures. But no matter how mnay time I watch the footage, there is nothing monster-like about them.</p>
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