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		<title>By: cliffhanger042002</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/swope-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-51680</link>
		<dc:creator>cliffhanger042002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mystery_Man. I think this will be comment number 25, and for what, a bird that looks like a chicken??? Pastor Swope says it isn&#039;t a chicken, and that&#039;s fine, it&#039;s not a chicken. But what is it, does it even really matter considering there is only one single sighting/report?

I think this has to be 1 of 2 things, and I have thought this all along. It is either a known species confused for something unknown, or it is an escaped exotic pet. But since there has only been 1 single sighting in approx. 6 years, and all we have as evidence is an admittedly &quot;poor&quot; illustration that doesn&#039;t clearly depict the creature for readers to get a true visual idea of what it really looked like, then we really have nothing to debate about, as far as I&#039;m concerned, and that&#039;s just my opinion.
 
This debate seems to have quickly went from readers here looking at the photo and posting their opinions (based on the evidence provided), to Pastor Swope&#039;s loyal &quot;readers&quot; telling us that we should believe that it&#039;s not a chicken because &quot;Pastor Swope knows it&#039;s not a chicken and he&#039;s encountered anomalous birds and strange/weird things in the past&quot;. I&#039;m sorry, but that&#039;s not enough for me. And without better proof than the &quot;illustration&quot;, there is no need for me to dig deeper than what I already have. I read all this here, all of Pastor Swope&#039;s blog and the respective comments and I still have no better guesses than a chicken or rail.

If Pastor Swope can provide a very clear illustration of exactly what the animal he encountered looked like, I&#039;m sure at least one of the readers here can provide a reasonable explanation.

And for the record, I never directly called Pastor Swope a &quot;cuckoo&quot;. I simply remarked about one of the posts saying that the elaborate defense saying he&#039;s encountered numerous cryptids made him sound a little cuckoo, because to me, it did sound a little on the goofy side. And I was sincerely joking around because I found that post very humorous. I never meant it to be a personal insult to the pastor, I was simply poking fun at the way the &quot;poster&quot; reacted to my comment about the photo because it was a little over-the-top and not at all objective. &quot;Readers&quot; from his site made very defensive posts when a couple of posts went up saying it looked like a chicken, seeming angry that readers and posters here would even suggest that. But, I mean, if you post a photo that looks similar to a chicken, what do you expect?? And some of Pastor Swope&#039;s readers that came rushing to his defense provided no real evidence other than saying basically &quot;he knows it&#039;s not a chicken&quot;. 

But if I offended you in any way Pastor Swope, or seemed as though I was attacking you personally, I sincerely apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mystery_Man. I think this will be comment number 25, and for what, a bird that looks like a chicken??? Pastor Swope says it isn&#8217;t a chicken, and that&#8217;s fine, it&#8217;s not a chicken. But what is it, does it even really matter considering there is only one single sighting/report?</p>
<p>I think this has to be 1 of 2 things, and I have thought this all along. It is either a known species confused for something unknown, or it is an escaped exotic pet. But since there has only been 1 single sighting in approx. 6 years, and all we have as evidence is an admittedly &#8220;poor&#8221; illustration that doesn&#8217;t clearly depict the creature for readers to get a true visual idea of what it really looked like, then we really have nothing to debate about, as far as I&#8217;m concerned, and that&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
<p>This debate seems to have quickly went from readers here looking at the photo and posting their opinions (based on the evidence provided), to Pastor Swope&#8217;s loyal &#8220;readers&#8221; telling us that we should believe that it&#8217;s not a chicken because &#8220;Pastor Swope knows it&#8217;s not a chicken and he&#8217;s encountered anomalous birds and strange/weird things in the past&#8221;. I&#8217;m sorry, but that&#8217;s not enough for me. And without better proof than the &#8220;illustration&#8221;, there is no need for me to dig deeper than what I already have. I read all this here, all of Pastor Swope&#8217;s blog and the respective comments and I still have no better guesses than a chicken or rail.</p>
<p>If Pastor Swope can provide a very clear illustration of exactly what the animal he encountered looked like, I&#8217;m sure at least one of the readers here can provide a reasonable explanation.</p>
<p>And for the record, I never directly called Pastor Swope a &#8220;cuckoo&#8221;. I simply remarked about one of the posts saying that the elaborate defense saying he&#8217;s encountered numerous cryptids made him sound a little cuckoo, because to me, it did sound a little on the goofy side. And I was sincerely joking around because I found that post very humorous. I never meant it to be a personal insult to the pastor, I was simply poking fun at the way the &#8220;poster&#8221; reacted to my comment about the photo because it was a little over-the-top and not at all objective. &#8220;Readers&#8221; from his site made very defensive posts when a couple of posts went up saying it looked like a chicken, seeming angry that readers and posters here would even suggest that. But, I mean, if you post a photo that looks similar to a chicken, what do you expect?? And some of Pastor Swope&#8217;s readers that came rushing to his defense provided no real evidence other than saying basically &#8220;he knows it&#8217;s not a chicken&#8221;. </p>
<p>But if I offended you in any way Pastor Swope, or seemed as though I was attacking you personally, I sincerely apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/swope-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-51671</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vingogly- I feel I should point out that I myself did not call Mr. Swope &quot;cuckoo,&quot; nor did I say that he must be lying. I&#039;m not sure why you chose to lump me with cliffhanger in that regard. I have no particular issues with Mr. Swope&#039;s claims, I was merely advocating an analytical view. Unless advocating a critical approach to evidence rather than just accepting everything presented is your definition of &quot;mockery,&quot; then I don&#039;t believe I was mocking him at all. I didn&#039;t say anything of the kind. 

I don&#039;t know what exactly you mean by your comments of him not claiming to be a biologist, saying that most commenters here are not scientists, or pulling out your graduate work. For our part Cliffhanger is an engineer and I do research on the effects of invasive species on native ecologies in Japan, as well as teaching biology (so in actuality, I guess you could say that we &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; scientists), but we don&#039;t come on here pulling expert cards as you appear to be doing. Besides, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand, which is approaching evidence scientifically. This is something even a non scientist can appreciate the importance of. 

Please read my post again. I just think that every angle has to be considered, and I agreed with cliffhanger in that respect, so why does that have to be considered a dig at Mr. Swope? It isn&#039;t intended to be. I think you&#039;ll find that it was not me who called Mr. Swope names. I have at no point called Pastor Swope a liar or even claimed it must have been a chicken he saw. I don&#039;t know what it was, but I&#039;d be willing to look at all of the options without being accused of mockery. I have not mocked him or his beliefs, or anything of the sort in my comment, and I think you were perhaps a bit out of line to direct your comment at me in that manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vingogly- I feel I should point out that I myself did not call Mr. Swope &#8220;cuckoo,&#8221; nor did I say that he must be lying. I&#8217;m not sure why you chose to lump me with cliffhanger in that regard. I have no particular issues with Mr. Swope&#8217;s claims, I was merely advocating an analytical view. Unless advocating a critical approach to evidence rather than just accepting everything presented is your definition of &#8220;mockery,&#8221; then I don&#8217;t believe I was mocking him at all. I didn&#8217;t say anything of the kind. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what exactly you mean by your comments of him not claiming to be a biologist, saying that most commenters here are not scientists, or pulling out your graduate work. For our part Cliffhanger is an engineer and I do research on the effects of invasive species on native ecologies in Japan, as well as teaching biology (so in actuality, I guess you could say that we <em>are</em> scientists), but we don&#8217;t come on here pulling expert cards as you appear to be doing. Besides, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand, which is approaching evidence scientifically. This is something even a non scientist can appreciate the importance of. </p>
<p>Please read my post again. I just think that every angle has to be considered, and I agreed with cliffhanger in that respect, so why does that have to be considered a dig at Mr. Swope? It isn&#8217;t intended to be. I think you&#8217;ll find that it was not me who called Mr. Swope names. I have at no point called Pastor Swope a liar or even claimed it must have been a chicken he saw. I don&#8217;t know what it was, but I&#8217;d be willing to look at all of the options without being accused of mockery. I have not mocked him or his beliefs, or anything of the sort in my comment, and I think you were perhaps a bit out of line to direct your comment at me in that manner.</p>
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		<title>By: vingogly</title>
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		<dc:creator>vingogly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Cliffhanger and Mystery Man, being &quot;properly analytical&quot; does not mean mockery like your &quot;cuckoo&quot; comment (and saying &quot;just joking&quot; and peppering your posts with &quot;LOL&quot; does not remove the intended insult). I visit Swopes&#039; blog infrequently and I&#039;m not a &quot;follower&quot; by any means. But it&#039;s clear he doesn&#039;t claim to be a biologist or scientist of any kind - I&#039;ll wager most of those who post here are not trained scientists (BTW, I did graduate work in terrestrial ecology working with small mammal populations at a major university in the mid 1970s, and have Master&#039;s degrees in computer science and clinical psych so I consider myself pretty analytical and objective).

I see no reason to question Swopes&#039; claim that he knows chickens, and this was no chicken. He saw what he saw, and I think he was asking: what do you think it was? It&#039;s one thing to offer an answer to his question in a helpful spirit, it&#039;s another to offer mockery. But then, he&#039;s just some Christian pastor running a paranormal blog, and I have to wonder if that is the real issue some of you have with his observations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Cliffhanger and Mystery Man, being &#8220;properly analytical&#8221; does not mean mockery like your &#8220;cuckoo&#8221; comment (and saying &#8220;just joking&#8221; and peppering your posts with &#8220;LOL&#8221; does not remove the intended insult). I visit Swopes&#8217; blog infrequently and I&#8217;m not a &#8220;follower&#8221; by any means. But it&#8217;s clear he doesn&#8217;t claim to be a biologist or scientist of any kind &#8211; I&#8217;ll wager most of those who post here are not trained scientists (BTW, I did graduate work in terrestrial ecology working with small mammal populations at a major university in the mid 1970s, and have Master&#8217;s degrees in computer science and clinical psych so I consider myself pretty analytical and objective).</p>
<p>I see no reason to question Swopes&#8217; claim that he knows chickens, and this was no chicken. He saw what he saw, and I think he was asking: what do you think it was? It&#8217;s one thing to offer an answer to his question in a helpful spirit, it&#8217;s another to offer mockery. But then, he&#8217;s just some Christian pastor running a paranormal blog, and I have to wonder if that is the real issue some of you have with his observations.</p>
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		<title>By: rsswope</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/swope-bird/comment-page-1/#comment-51635</link>
		<dc:creator>rsswope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!

I think it is stereotypical and intellectually bigoted to call someone who simply backs up my claims a &#039;follower&#039;. Echoing the great Stan Lee I must say, &#039;Nuff Said on that point.

I have little analysis because there was but at the most 10 minutes with the bird. But having spent over 10 years of my young life sending such fowl to the dinner table I am pretty darn sure it was not a future tasty snack I saw on a dirt road 6 years ago, even if the darn thing followed the truck for about 100 feet.

And yes, I have to admit my photoshop rendering does look a little fowl.

I do not ask anyone to take my word for it, heck if anyone reads my blog you know there are a lot of stories I retell there that I myself have a hard time to believe. 

But I like to believe, even in the face of logic.

But as an avid naturist and having spent a good time in the Pennsylvania woods, I have to say I have never seen such a bird before. Even on a dinner plate. I am not sure if said bird was even suitable for munching.

What was it? OOP avian? Perhaps.

With any luck I can come up with a suitable likeness or even an example of the avian that I saw all those years ago.

But I have to say with all sincerity. I know it was not a chicken. Just because I used chicken legs in the photoshop reconstruction of the creature don&#039;t make it so....

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!</p>
<p>I think it is stereotypical and intellectually bigoted to call someone who simply backs up my claims a &#8216;follower&#8217;. Echoing the great Stan Lee I must say, &#8216;Nuff Said on that point.</p>
<p>I have little analysis because there was but at the most 10 minutes with the bird. But having spent over 10 years of my young life sending such fowl to the dinner table I am pretty darn sure it was not a future tasty snack I saw on a dirt road 6 years ago, even if the darn thing followed the truck for about 100 feet.</p>
<p>And yes, I have to admit my photoshop rendering does look a little fowl.</p>
<p>I do not ask anyone to take my word for it, heck if anyone reads my blog you know there are a lot of stories I retell there that I myself have a hard time to believe. </p>
<p>But I like to believe, even in the face of logic.</p>
<p>But as an avid naturist and having spent a good time in the Pennsylvania woods, I have to say I have never seen such a bird before. Even on a dinner plate. I am not sure if said bird was even suitable for munching.</p>
<p>What was it? OOP avian? Perhaps.</p>
<p>With any luck I can come up with a suitable likeness or even an example of the avian that I saw all those years ago.</p>
<p>But I have to say with all sincerity. I know it was not a chicken. Just because I used chicken legs in the photoshop reconstruction of the creature don&#8217;t make it so&#8230;.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliffhanger- I agree one hundred percent. I&#039;m one of those visitors too, and your approach is typically very similar to mine.

I really am a little tired of the old chestnut that we are somehow &quot;small minded&quot; or &quot;petty&quot; because we actually yearn for more and better information rather than taking everything at face value. I DO have a sense of wonder, which is why I really want to get at what is really going on based on proper analysis. To me this is the truly open minded approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliffhanger- I agree one hundred percent. I&#8217;m one of those visitors too, and your approach is typically very similar to mine.</p>
<p>I really am a little tired of the old chestnut that we are somehow &#8220;small minded&#8221; or &#8220;petty&#8221; because we actually yearn for more and better information rather than taking everything at face value. I DO have a sense of wonder, which is why I really want to get at what is really going on based on proper analysis. To me this is the truly open minded approach.</p>
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		<title>By: cliffhanger042002</title>
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		<dc:creator>cliffhanger042002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think just about everyone that vists here has a sense of wonder, to some degree or another, or else they wouldn&#039;t visit this site. But I think some of the visitors, myself included, take a more analytical approach to &quot;reports&quot; and take each one with a grain of salt. I read some reports, and after going through and reviewing them very closely and trying to pull out facts, consistencies, inconsistencies, etc maybe there will be something left in the end that seems truly cryptid or paranormal. But there are some reports that you can analyze and have nothing spectacular left at the end, nothing that really makes you say to yourself that the report isn&#039;t easily explained by normal phenom and is worth looking into. In this case, there is nothing to look into further really at this point. Now had there been several reports from different people in that region describing that same bird, then it would be worth looking into, maybe, if all parties involved agreed that it wasn&#039;t just a chicken or rail. But that&#039;s not the case, we have one report, from one person, and a drawing that looks like a chicken that was in a fight.

So I &quot;wondered&quot; quite a bit about Pastor Swope&#039;s bird, and put alot of thought into it, read all the comments, carefully considered each one, read Pastor Swope&#039;s blog, considered some more.....Yeah, I guess we&#039;re all just small-minded, lol, just because we&#039;re not Pastor&#039;s Swope&#039;s followers and will believe anything that he says and take it at face value without careful analysis.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think just about everyone that vists here has a sense of wonder, to some degree or another, or else they wouldn&#8217;t visit this site. But I think some of the visitors, myself included, take a more analytical approach to &#8220;reports&#8221; and take each one with a grain of salt. I read some reports, and after going through and reviewing them very closely and trying to pull out facts, consistencies, inconsistencies, etc maybe there will be something left in the end that seems truly cryptid or paranormal. But there are some reports that you can analyze and have nothing spectacular left at the end, nothing that really makes you say to yourself that the report isn&#8217;t easily explained by normal phenom and is worth looking into. In this case, there is nothing to look into further really at this point. Now had there been several reports from different people in that region describing that same bird, then it would be worth looking into, maybe, if all parties involved agreed that it wasn&#8217;t just a chicken or rail. But that&#8217;s not the case, we have one report, from one person, and a drawing that looks like a chicken that was in a fight.</p>
<p>So I &#8220;wondered&#8221; quite a bit about Pastor Swope&#8217;s bird, and put alot of thought into it, read all the comments, carefully considered each one, read Pastor Swope&#8217;s blog, considered some more&#8230;..Yeah, I guess we&#8217;re all just small-minded, lol, just because we&#8217;re not Pastor&#8217;s Swope&#8217;s followers and will believe anything that he says and take it at face value without careful analysis&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: vingogly</title>
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		<dc:creator>vingogly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, to be dismissive of Pastor Swope and mock him for wondering about an encounter with an unknown animal is pretty small minded and petty. Cryptozoology for me has always been about a sense of wonder, a belief and hope there is still mystery in the world. I think Pastor Swope understands that sense of wonder. I have to wonder if some of you here do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, to be dismissive of Pastor Swope and mock him for wondering about an encounter with an unknown animal is pretty small minded and petty. Cryptozoology for me has always been about a sense of wonder, a belief and hope there is still mystery in the world. I think Pastor Swope understands that sense of wonder. I have to wonder if some of you here do.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>cryptidsrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Loren...Aside here...
I meant &quot;they&quot; to be the comment makers...not you. Sorry if I left that impression. :( Thanks for the post, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Loren&#8230;Aside here&#8230;<br />
I meant &#8220;they&#8221; to be the comment makers&#8230;not you. Sorry if I left that impression. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for the post, though.</p>
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		<title>By: planettom</title>
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		<dc:creator>planettom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly a juvenile white ibis, hence the brown color?  The beak looks too short however....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly a juvenile white ibis, hence the brown color?  The beak looks too short however&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: raisinsofwrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>raisinsofwrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likely an adolescent of some other species that may have fallen out of a nest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likely an adolescent of some other species that may have fallen out of a nest.</p>
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