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		<title>By: Hapa</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/stone-giants/comment-page-1/#comment-79263</link>
		<dc:creator>Hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 01:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Andrew D Gable via facebook 
 
Hello :)

   The fact that you mentioned the ice-clad bears of Alaska is very interesting, because they have been proven to exist: Sometimes Grizzlies don&#039;t have sufficient body fat for hibernation, and will therefore wake up way before spring. Some of these bears will encounter unfrozen water and slush and either roll or go through it. This coats their hair with ice: thus an ice-clad bear, a very hard kill. These bears are called by the Inuit both Ice Bears and Winter Bears (not to be confused with Polar Bears, which have also been called &quot;Ice Bears&quot;).

See &quot;The Grizzly Almanac&quot; by Robert H. Busch, page 55

Such early rising, ice coated bears are no doubt not restricted to northern Canada and Alaska, and a Sasquatch, due to either having not enough fat for hibernation or just simply going through the winter like an elk or wolf, being exposed to slush and water during the winter, could begin to answer the question of where the &quot;Stone-clad Giants&quot; originated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew D Gable via facebook </p>
<p>Hello <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>   The fact that you mentioned the ice-clad bears of Alaska is very interesting, because they have been proven to exist: Sometimes Grizzlies don&#8217;t have sufficient body fat for hibernation, and will therefore wake up way before spring. Some of these bears will encounter unfrozen water and slush and either roll or go through it. This coats their hair with ice: thus an ice-clad bear, a very hard kill. These bears are called by the Inuit both Ice Bears and Winter Bears (not to be confused with Polar Bears, which have also been called &#8220;Ice Bears&#8221;).</p>
<p>See &#8220;The Grizzly Almanac&#8221; by Robert H. Busch, page 55</p>
<p>Such early rising, ice coated bears are no doubt not restricted to northern Canada and Alaska, and a Sasquatch, due to either having not enough fat for hibernation or just simply going through the winter like an elk or wolf, being exposed to slush and water during the winter, could begin to answer the question of where the &#8220;Stone-clad Giants&#8221; originated.</p>
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		<title>By: sschaper</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have much knowledge of Algonquian and other story-telling traditions, so I don&#039;t know if they are very accurate and conserved like Irish history, or very flexible like English folktales (for instance). But the Norse presence on the NE fringe of North America lasted about 500 years, with evidence of trade (we shouldn&#039;t think of them as Vikings after about 1100 AD, but as medieval Europeans)

Could there be enough flexibility for characteristics of Norse males to be combined with other folk tale elements such as cannibals and apes over 500-1000 years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have much knowledge of Algonquian and other story-telling traditions, so I don&#8217;t know if they are very accurate and conserved like Irish history, or very flexible like English folktales (for instance). But the Norse presence on the NE fringe of North America lasted about 500 years, with evidence of trade (we shouldn&#8217;t think of them as Vikings after about 1100 AD, but as medieval Europeans)</p>
<p>Could there be enough flexibility for characteristics of Norse males to be combined with other folk tale elements such as cannibals and apes over 500-1000 years?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew D Gable via Facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew D Gable via Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Iroquois also have stories of giant spirit bears that are similarly stone-clad.  Also even as far off as Alaska there&#039;s tales of ice-clad bears similar to this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Iroquois also have stories of giant spirit bears that are similarly stone-clad.  Also even as far off as Alaska there&#8217;s tales of ice-clad bears similar to this.</p>
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		<title>By: watn6789</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 04:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Posting on cryptomundo is sometimes like working with wikipedia.  You are posting on a site with lots of its own reference and on one where your posts &#039;sometimes&#039; get edited (put together like those two, etc).  I apologize for any haste. 
 
I was referring to the body movement pattern of a leg and arm on the same side moving in conjunction.  It can be fun to try that walking straight and see how hard it is.  The motion, however, can be done easily if a body turn is incorporated.  
 
I do find evidence for North American viking exploration compelling and see arguments not fully disputed by the citations in this post.  The beard is much more prevalent in Europeans than in &#039;First Nations&#039;, etc.  I got a laugh at the &#039;infrequent protruding stomach&#039;. 
 
If there wasn&#039;t waggle, there might not be analysis or cryptozoology!  God works all things for good to those that love him and are called according to his purpose... 
 
Thanks for the reply!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posting on cryptomundo is sometimes like working with wikipedia.  You are posting on a site with lots of its own reference and on one where your posts &#8216;sometimes&#8217; get edited (put together like those two, etc).  I apologize for any haste. </p>
<p>I was referring to the body movement pattern of a leg and arm on the same side moving in conjunction.  It can be fun to try that walking straight and see how hard it is.  The motion, however, can be done easily if a body turn is incorporated.  </p>
<p>I do find evidence for North American viking exploration compelling and see arguments not fully disputed by the citations in this post.  The beard is much more prevalent in Europeans than in &#8216;First Nations&#8217;, etc.  I got a laugh at the &#8216;infrequent protruding stomach&#8217;. </p>
<p>If there wasn&#8217;t waggle, there might not be analysis or cryptozoology!  God works all things for good to those that love him and are called according to his purpose&#8230; </p>
<p>Thanks for the reply!</p>
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		<title>By: Hapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[two more things to keep in mind:

1. There are  giant humanoid monsters seen in North America that, like the stone giants, did have scales: The Lake Worth Monster (a 7 feet tall Satyr with scales as well as hair) and giant reptoids (including one seen in New Jersey. See &quot;Unexplained&quot; by Jerome Clark, pages 271-273, 497-500. Check the earlier book he c-authored with Lore Coleman, &quot;The Unidentified&quot;, to see if the original article is in there.)

2. One prehistoric animal of large size, native to North America, was, like the stone giants of myth, covered in &quot;scales&quot;. These scales were no doubt grey like stone. Although not a primate, perhaps garbled tales of the beast (which was located in the south, not New York) traveled north among the Paleo-indians, and perhaps helped to give rise to the myth.

Glyptotherium, the American Glyptodont

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyptotherium_texanum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glyptotheriumm.jpg

That LOOKS like a stone coated monster!

If anybody knows of another North American Glyptodont, please let me know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two more things to keep in mind:</p>
<p>1. There are  giant humanoid monsters seen in North America that, like the stone giants, did have scales: The Lake Worth Monster (a 7 feet tall Satyr with scales as well as hair) and giant reptoids (including one seen in New Jersey. See &#8220;Unexplained&#8221; by Jerome Clark, pages 271-273, 497-500. Check the earlier book he c-authored with Lore Coleman, &#8220;The Unidentified&#8221;, to see if the original article is in there.)</p>
<p>2. One prehistoric animal of large size, native to North America, was, like the stone giants of myth, covered in &#8220;scales&#8221;. These scales were no doubt grey like stone. Although not a primate, perhaps garbled tales of the beast (which was located in the south, not New York) traveled north among the Paleo-indians, and perhaps helped to give rise to the myth.</p>
<p>Glyptotherium, the American Glyptodont</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyptotherium_texanum" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyptotherium_texanum</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glyptotheriumm.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glyptotheriumm.jpg</a></p>
<p>That LOOKS like a stone coated monster!</p>
<p>If anybody knows of another North American Glyptodont, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Hapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW: for the quote about Tolkien Trolls, see &quot;Guide to Tolkien&#039;s World: A Bestiary&quot; by David Day, page 249. Notice the pic on that page and preceding it of a Troll from Middle Earth, and compare to the Stone Giant stories. It could fit for both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: for the quote about Tolkien Trolls, see &#8220;Guide to Tolkien&#8217;s World: A Bestiary&#8221; by David Day, page 249. Notice the pic on that page and preceding it of a Troll from Middle Earth, and compare to the Stone Giant stories. It could fit for both.</p>
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		<title>By: Hapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting:

&quot;Were dreaded on account of their extraordinary size and powers. Some describe them as being half a tree tall and large in proportion. Their bodies where covered all over with flinty scales, which made them almost invulnerable.&quot;

Compare with this...

&quot;Trolls were twice the height and bulk of the greatest men, and they had a skin of green scales like armor. As Ents where to the substance of wood, so trolls where to stone; though not so strong as Ents who could crush stone, Trolls where rock hard and powerful...the spell of their creation had been cast in darkness and if light did fall on them it was as if that spell were broken and the armor of their skin grew inwards. Their evil soulless beings where crushed as they became lifeless stone.

Vast size and strength, evil, tough scales, associations with stone (one race of Tolkien trolls where known as &quot;Stone Trolls&quot;), and the unusual magical ability to turn to stone when exposed to sunlight...odd connection here, ain&#039;t it? I wonder if Tolkien was influenced by Iroquois Stone Giants tales.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting:</p>
<p>&#8220;Were dreaded on account of their extraordinary size and powers. Some describe them as being half a tree tall and large in proportion. Their bodies where covered all over with flinty scales, which made them almost invulnerable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Compare with this&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Trolls were twice the height and bulk of the greatest men, and they had a skin of green scales like armor. As Ents where to the substance of wood, so trolls where to stone; though not so strong as Ents who could crush stone, Trolls where rock hard and powerful&#8230;the spell of their creation had been cast in darkness and if light did fall on them it was as if that spell were broken and the armor of their skin grew inwards. Their evil soulless beings where crushed as they became lifeless stone.</p>
<p>Vast size and strength, evil, tough scales, associations with stone (one race of Tolkien trolls where known as &#8220;Stone Trolls&#8221;), and the unusual magical ability to turn to stone when exposed to sunlight&#8230;odd connection here, ain&#8217;t it? I wonder if Tolkien was influenced by Iroquois Stone Giants tales.</p>
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		<title>By: diogenes</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was worth reading, footnote the references cited and submit to the Relict Homind Inquiry, seriously.
You also might help me with re-locating a reference, somewhere on a website, of the specific story of the &quot;war between the Red and Black&quot;  giants of the Ohio Mound culture.....or have you heard this story? The website was actually pretty deep on oral traditions of many NA tribes, and for those I knew spot on, so I am hoping it is something I can rediscover.  I think I also vaguely associated large skeletons being removed from the Ohio Mounds, in excess of 7 feet?
I do think Euro-Americans have done more than just ignore NA traditions, and so I find this kind of research lacking as well as illuminating - within it&#039;s cultural context.  I am not sure we can import all the characteristics attributed to the Stone Giants, such as species-cannabilism, given the vulnerable position NA peoples were in at that time, themselves hunter/gatherer with stone points.  Archeological evidence seems to show that almost all prehistoric hominids (and even historically) have engaged in cannabilism.  So, I am pushing back just a bit on that. However it is interesting that there is the possibility that within the &quot;bigfoot/hominid race&quot; there are significant differences, perhaps culturally and physically. Anyway, enjoyed this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was worth reading, footnote the references cited and submit to the Relict Homind Inquiry, seriously.<br />
You also might help me with re-locating a reference, somewhere on a website, of the specific story of the &#8220;war between the Red and Black&#8221;  giants of the Ohio Mound culture&#8230;..or have you heard this story? The website was actually pretty deep on oral traditions of many NA tribes, and for those I knew spot on, so I am hoping it is something I can rediscover.  I think I also vaguely associated large skeletons being removed from the Ohio Mounds, in excess of 7 feet?<br />
I do think Euro-Americans have done more than just ignore NA traditions, and so I find this kind of research lacking as well as illuminating &#8211; within it&#8217;s cultural context.  I am not sure we can import all the characteristics attributed to the Stone Giants, such as species-cannabilism, given the vulnerable position NA peoples were in at that time, themselves hunter/gatherer with stone points.  Archeological evidence seems to show that almost all prehistoric hominids (and even historically) have engaged in cannabilism.  So, I am pushing back just a bit on that. However it is interesting that there is the possibility that within the &#8220;bigfoot/hominid race&#8221; there are significant differences, perhaps culturally and physically. Anyway, enjoyed this.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Humm, watn, what?

Have some respect for the readers here and please write in complete sentences (spellcheck is nice too) that make sense.  Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humm, watn, what?</p>
<p>Have some respect for the readers here and please write in complete sentences (spellcheck is nice too) that make sense.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: watn6789</title>
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		<dc:creator>watn6789</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[some of those apparent difficult walking tasks are found easier when a person is turning as does the subject of the video

there are often times room for waggle on any so called story

not all stories just referring to the subhect matter]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some of those apparent difficult walking tasks are found easier when a person is turning as does the subject of the video</p>
<p>there are often times room for waggle on any so called story</p>
<p>not all stories just referring to the subhect matter</p>
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