Comments on: Siberian Snowman: Hot Story or Hoax?

By: fuzzy

fuzzy — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:15:23 +0000

From “allnewsweb.com’s” link above:

“People here are scared the creatures will attack villages because of hunger,” said Nikita Shulbayev, deputy head of the local administration. We made a decision to send an expedition to research this issue. We need to understand whether they are dangerous for people. We need to calm people down.”

If they are “scared the creatures will attack villages because of hunger,” why not feed them? Air drops of food to sustain livestock thru winter snows are common here - set up a site with cameras and lights and piles of food - perhaps they will come.

By: jayman

jayman — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:44:46 +0000

Where I work, it’s often necessary to transliterate Russian trade names for drugs, etc. (I don’t do this, I don’t speak Russian.) It’s not a trivial problem. The languages are very different and there is no exact correspondence.

By: Allnewsweb

Allnewsweb — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:19:25 +0000

Fair enough, I take your point.

By: Loren Coleman

Loren Coleman — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:14:05 +0000

“Scathing”?

I must say, this posting asks questions based upon what was published.

Instead of modifying anything, I’ll just be leaving it as it is and Allnewsweb’s comments have been added, unmoderated, for all to read.

Several comments were already added, from my Russian friends and associates, which clearly showed there seems to be something to this article. Mistranslation was raised by me as a possible problem, early on.

In America, this is hardly “scathing,” but merely “investigative.”

By: Allnewsweb

Allnewsweb — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:00:28 +0000

Also we are ‘Allnewsweb.com’ and a link would be nice.

Mike Cohen

By: Allnewsweb

Allnewsweb — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:54:35 +0000

Hi, I ask that you modify this rather scathing article.

All the inconsistencies you mention are the result of the fact that Masha writes in Russian and me and Lauren translate through google (my partner is Russian so we also rely on her if we get stuck).

In Russian names are suffixed often and this doesn’t get picked up by google it’s: Asaz Caves.

Secondly google translated ‘Komerevo State Uni’ as something like ‘Komerevo Uni’ in the sate or the like-hence the mix up.

Thirdly this story was reported by Itar-Tass or interfax Russias main news agency.

By: norman-uk

norman-uk — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:13:58 +0000

A quick glance at this area suggests to me it is ripe for manimals with valleys, streams and caves etc. I would assume there are thousands of unreported sightings. As in the UK every gamekeeper has seen an OOP bigcat but few make a report. I’m glad to hear the news item in PRAVDA isnt its usual fiction.
My respects to you Igor Bourtsev, I hope you don’t give up on Kwit yet. I believe the science will catch up on you and prove your hopes right eventually.

By: Igor Bourtsev

Igor Bourtsev — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:35:19 +0000

I want to add to my previous comment that an Great Britain anthropologist Mira Shakly also held searches and researches there in Mongoly and had found a lot of signs of existing Neanderthalers there (Prof. Porshnev was the first who consiedered these creatures as Neanderthal people). Mira had found even some kind of primitive Neanderthal tools made supposedly in modern time.

By: Loren Coleman

Loren Coleman — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:17:43 +0000

Further comments have now been received from other Russian colleagues, all in favor of the story: Michael Trachtengerts emails:

The case may be both - a true story or a hoax as well. There is university in Kenerovo, with a biology department, which has chairs in human anatomy and morphology. It has been established for sure that hominoids live in the area. In 1943 a hairy woman was captured by hunters near Mras-Su River at South of Kemerovo region and was delivered to authorities. But no any signs of her later were found. In 1980, it was said that a similar creature escaped from big traps that were aimed to catch bears. It used sticks to make them not work. Sometimes footprints of bare foots are found there. So let us wait for some time until additional information does appear.

Dmitri Bayanov writes:

Can be taken seriously. The area is proper.

By: Igor Bourtsev

Igor Bourtsev — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:07:45 +0000

I suppose this time the info is credible. The Altai mountaines there are close to Mongolian Altai Mnts, and all this Mnt system was consiedered by Prof. Boris Poshnev as a place where the relict hominids are “at home”. I visited the Mongolian Altai in 1976 leading an expedition group gathering the reports about almases - Mongolian hominoides, and was resultative. It’s possible that RGs exist there.
As to some inaccuracies in reports they could be caused of not good translation: Univ. of Kemerovo - a popular name used by the people as Univ. of Moscow instead of Moscow Univ. Azasskaya cave is known as a place where an ancient encampment was found not long ago.
As to the “white man” - it was also an individual peculiarity of one hominoid seen there (I investigated that case also decades ago), that was even a joke that “a Gray man watches a White man” - Gray (Russian Серый) was a name of a soldier who met a white hominoid many times. Here they could be of black colour (their fur or hair), some people say black-reddish.
But of course, no serious searching were held and, I suppose, will not be…
The Moscow Komsomolets newspaper published the info and my comment on Feb. 18, and Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper will publise an article with my info and comments tomorrow, Feb. 19