Comments on: Say, What? No More Bigfoot Track Hoaxes?

By: brainsandgravy

brainsandgravy — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:30:00 +0000

If you want to see dermal ridges on a sasquatch casting that resemble nothing like what Crowley has demonstrated, take a look at Zack Clothier’s gloriously illustrated, full color, high detail, examination of track castings (I’m sure many of you are already familiar with the article). The 1999 Kuterville Casting, Fig. 10., has evident ridges–but they’re very subtle and look totally authentic:

Zack Clothier’s Evaluation of 11 Alleged Sasquatch Tracks (Casts)

By: DWA

DWA — Sat, 12 May 2007 17:30:51 +0000

Richard888: simianfever has pretty much my take on it.

I just wasn’t sure whether someone like Meldrum had addressed the issue.

I would imagine that the dermal ridges in sas prints are coarser features than in humans (the wear and tear alone might say so), and that it’s conceivable. Crowley himself cautioned about making any sweeping generalizations from what he found, including that dermal ridges are, or aren’t, evidence of a hoax. He just said, uh, look what I found.

Then we have Jimmy Chilcutt, who I’m not going all the way down the line with - boy was that an assertion, huh? Can’t remember anyone else staking his career on it except implicitly - if only because it’s been shown, so many times, how wrong any discipline of mainstream science can be.

By: Ceroill

Ceroill — Sat, 12 May 2007 16:29:23 +0000

Wow…Interdisciplinary cooperation? I thought that was just a myth. Interesting to see some evidence supporting it. But then, this is just video evidence, so it may not count.

By: MBFH

MBFH — Sat, 12 May 2007 15:56:53 +0000

This is good, using science to weed out the hoxes - who’d of thunk it! I think every serious BF field researcher should take note of this and Dr Meldrum’s other research into the dynamics etc. of footprints for when they’re out there. A lot has been said in other posts about databases being contaminated with hoax print records - so now there is a sound methodology for testing the prints that can be applied databases from now on could/should be able to be hoax free. Here’s hoping anyway.

Would Dr Meldrum be willing to train a bunch of researchers e.g. Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy, into what to look for I wonder?

By: Cutch

Cutch — Sat, 12 May 2007 15:40:29 +0000

Is that Dick van Dyke narrating?

By: simianfever

simianfever — Sat, 12 May 2007 14:36:43 +0000

Will a link work?

Here’s Crowley in his own words with photographs…

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=11363&hl=cast+artifacts

By: simianfever

simianfever — Sat, 12 May 2007 14:33:21 +0000

Crowley said that what are considered dermal ridges could actually be an artifact of the cement casting done to the prints as similar features show up in tests that were done. I’m not aware of any high resolution photos that would show these ridges in the actual print as well as cast so that one could determine what was there before casting.

Its my understanding that Meldrum had actually spoken with and agreed with Crowley’s findings on this issue, though I’ve only read several comments about it.

Knowing this, if one does happen to come across possible prints its probably a good idea to get close with the camera and try to get some good macro shots before casting for comparison.

By: Richard888

Richard888 — Sat, 12 May 2007 13:40:22 +0000

An important message given by the film is that when experts from different fields pool their talents, controversial fields like BF research can progress without additional smoking gun evidence. Here we had a primatologist, a kinesiologist and a forsenics expert operate as a think tank to show that hoaxers can be defeated and that BF research is a step closer to official science. I wonder if the rest of the documentary examined other bodies of evidence like the body/pelvis cast and hair samples. DWA, did Crowley say that artificial footprints somehow generate the ridges or that ridges are designed into them?

By: fuzzy

fuzzy — Sat, 12 May 2007 13:25:32 +0000

Every little tiny bit of evidence can help fill in the gaps, so guess what: WE NEED MORE EVIDENCE!

Spring is here,
the flowers riz…
I wonder where
that Bigfoot is?

Let’s grab our gear and GET OUT THERE!

By: DWA

DWA — Sat, 12 May 2007 12:58:59 +0000

I am making the presumption that this is from the “Legend Meets Science” DVD?

I’d love to watch the reaction of the physicist at Idaho State who got quoted as saying this is a load of crap. (If he’d even watch it.) Sure love to see the science he’s doing.