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		<title>By: joppa</title>
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		<dc:creator>joppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post MB. I am reminded of how the wolf population of central Russia rebounded after the Nazis decimated the humanity and the heroic steps taken to save animals in the Kuwaiti Zoo during the last Gulf War.

We can only hope that some kindly Yetis have herded the survivors into some remote jungle valley and they are safe and sound in a Crypto-Shangri La.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post MB. I am reminded of how the wolf population of central Russia rebounded after the Nazis decimated the humanity and the heroic steps taken to save animals in the Kuwaiti Zoo during the last Gulf War.</p>
<p>We can only hope that some kindly Yetis have herded the survivors into some remote jungle valley and they are safe and sound in a Crypto-Shangri La.</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We're getting a bit off topic, but there is obviously some intersection between ideologies and conservation.

In the old USSR, the environment in  general was trashed, sometimes on a stunning scale, and whales were caught with no regard for limits or protected species.  Hunting preserves reserved for the party elite did help the Siberian tiger (which has fared much worse since the regime fell)  and Kamchata's brown bears (and perhaps its cryptic black one).  China, still largely a political dictatorship, has likewise been very bad for the environment in many cases but has showcased massive efforts, including executing poachers, to protect the panda.

Any time ideological clashes escalate to armed conflict, it's usually a very bad thing for animals, as law enforcement or forestry personnel are driven out and weapons from land mines to artillery barrages to defoliants are used without consideration of the effects on wildlife.  Conservation gets shoved aside in war, whether it's Vietcong roasting a kouprey or the US logging out the Singer Tract.  There are flukes where this works in the other direction: some writers think the "extinct" Japanese wolf made a comeback when WWII drained the provinces of hunters and farmers.

I think a case can be made that conservation in general has done better under democratic governments, at least in the past century. Still, no nation has a spotless record.

To bring this back to the Nepali rhinos, it's quite possible they were killed by the Maoists, eaten for sustenance while their horns were sold to finance further operations.  There is probably an entire book to be written about how conflict affects conservation and how, in some cases, very brave people have managed to save animals or habitat from destruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re getting a bit off topic, but there is obviously some intersection between ideologies and conservation.</p>
<p>In the old USSR, the environment in  general was trashed, sometimes on a stunning scale, and whales were caught with no regard for limits or protected species.  Hunting preserves reserved for the party elite did help the Siberian tiger (which has fared much worse since the regime fell)  and Kamchata&#8217;s brown bears (and perhaps its cryptic black one).  China, still largely a political dictatorship, has likewise been very bad for the environment in many cases but has showcased massive efforts, including executing poachers, to protect the panda.</p>
<p>Any time ideological clashes escalate to armed conflict, it&#8217;s usually a very bad thing for animals, as law enforcement or forestry personnel are driven out and weapons from land mines to artillery barrages to defoliants are used without consideration of the effects on wildlife.  Conservation gets shoved aside in war, whether it&#8217;s Vietcong roasting a kouprey or the US logging out the Singer Tract.  There are flukes where this works in the other direction: some writers think the &#8220;extinct&#8221; Japanese wolf made a comeback when WWII drained the provinces of hunters and farmers.</p>
<p>I think a case can be made that conservation in general has done better under democratic governments, at least in the past century. Still, no nation has a spotless record.</p>
<p>To bring this back to the Nepali rhinos, it&#8217;s quite possible they were killed by the Maoists, eaten for sustenance while their horns were sold to finance further operations.  There is probably an entire book to be written about how conflict affects conservation and how, in some cases, very brave people have managed to save animals or habitat from destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: sschaper</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/rhinos-vanish/#comment-11896</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering if the Maoist guerrillas in Nepal might have killed them or eaten them. Fascism, however, was the proto-typical green movement. That is not much remembered, but their earth-worship was all of a piece with their neo-pagan, post-modern ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if the Maoist guerrillas in Nepal might have killed them or eaten them. Fascism, however, was the proto-typical green movement. That is not much remembered, but their earth-worship was all of a piece with their neo-pagan, post-modern ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/rhinos-vanish/#comment-11895</link>
		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is most likely they were killed by poachers, in which case this sad episode highlights how quickly animal remains vanish - an important point for cryptozoologists.  It is also possible a few have found really good cover in remote corners of the refuge and are hanging on.  Remember, it was only in December 2005 that a camera provided proof the Vietnamese population of the Javan rhino still existed, several years after it was generally written off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is most likely they were killed by poachers, in which case this sad episode highlights how quickly animal remains vanish - an important point for cryptozoologists.  It is also possible a few have found really good cover in remote corners of the refuge and are hanging on.  Remember, it was only in December 2005 that a camera provided proof the Vietnamese population of the Javan rhino still existed, several years after it was generally written off.</p>
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		<title>By: busterggi</title>
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		<dc:creator>busterggi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got to agree with joppa.  I'm sure they were sold off piece by piece at Chinese markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got to agree with joppa.  I&#8217;m sure they were sold off piece by piece at Chinese markets.</p>
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		<title>By: One Eyed Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Eyed Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps they found a way to move to another location? That would be reasonable, moving away from poachers. Maybe we will hear reports from some nearby place about them,It would be funny if they turn out to be behind some 'crypt' animal reports in the general area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps they found a way to move to another location? That would be reasonable, moving away from poachers. Maybe we will hear reports from some nearby place about them,It would be funny if they turn out to be behind some &#8216;crypt&#8217; animal reports in the general area.</p>
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		<title>By: elsanto</title>
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		<dc:creator>elsanto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...applying joppa's argument, and looking at the conservation record of civilized Western countries as a model, "democracy" isn't really conservation-friendly, either. Then we have the US (not even close to resembling a democracy, given the last two "elections")... which soars to great new heights of resource mismanagement.

The Maoists (for whom I admittedly have no love -- Mao is one of my most detested all-time fascists, along with Ann Coulter)have no direct link to the poaching. They threatened security posts that had a link to rhino conservation, but the information we have doesn't suggest that the Maoists targeted the rhinos directly. The fighting in Nepal has nothing to do with a natural resource -- unlike the Iraq war.

By that same token, the vanishing rhinos have nothing to do with ideology. Let's not forget that Nepal is still technically a monarchy in transition to becoming a parliamentary democracy like Canada and most of the commonwealth nations.

What joppa fails to comprehend are the socioeconomic realities that turn individuals into poachers. They are individuals struggling to feed starving families, or individuals struggling to pay their hashish supplier. Their harsh socioeconomic realities drive them to desperate action to meet whatever realities they find themselves facing. By no means am I advocating their actions, however, it is ridiculous to suggest that ideology is the root of poaching (unless we're talking about oil poachers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;applying joppa&#8217;s argument, and looking at the conservation record of civilized Western countries as a model, &#8220;democracy&#8221; isn&#8217;t really conservation-friendly, either. Then we have the US (not even close to resembling a democracy, given the last two &#8220;elections&#8221;)&#8230; which soars to great new heights of resource mismanagement.</p>
<p>The Maoists (for whom I admittedly have no love &#8212; Mao is one of my most detested all-time fascists, along with Ann Coulter)have no direct link to the poaching. They threatened security posts that had a link to rhino conservation, but the information we have doesn&#8217;t suggest that the Maoists targeted the rhinos directly. The fighting in Nepal has nothing to do with a natural resource &#8212; unlike the Iraq war.</p>
<p>By that same token, the vanishing rhinos have nothing to do with ideology. Let&#8217;s not forget that Nepal is still technically a monarchy in transition to becoming a parliamentary democracy like Canada and most of the commonwealth nations.</p>
<p>What joppa fails to comprehend are the socioeconomic realities that turn individuals into poachers. They are individuals struggling to feed starving families, or individuals struggling to pay their hashish supplier. Their harsh socioeconomic realities drive them to desperate action to meet whatever realities they find themselves facing. By no means am I advocating their actions, however, it is ridiculous to suggest that ideology is the root of poaching (unless we&#8217;re talking about oil poachers).</p>
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		<title>By: joppa</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 04:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>History has shown that communism, maoism and facism have no place in their ideologies for conservation.

It is amazing that the conservation of natural resources and wildlife has developed from capitalist societies; we conserve and protect because we can finally "afford" to. Panda conservation in China was started because the West paid for it.

I am afraid that if the Maoists got anywhere near those rhinos (and what beautiful creatures Indian rhino are) they will never be found. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History has shown that communism, maoism and facism have no place in their ideologies for conservation.</p>
<p>It is amazing that the conservation of natural resources and wildlife has developed from capitalist societies; we conserve and protect because we can finally &#8220;afford&#8221; to. Panda conservation in China was started because the West paid for it.</p>
<p>I am afraid that if the Maoists got anywhere near those rhinos (and what beautiful creatures Indian rhino are) they will never be found. Sad.</p>
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