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	<title>Comments on: Clovis People Were Not Here First</title>
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		<title>By: Fhqwhgads</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/pre-clovis/comment-page-1/#comment-80898</link>
		<dc:creator>Fhqwhgads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My gut feeling is that the odds of Bigfoot being a real, flesh-and-blood ape are too low to be optimistic but too high to conclude against it altogether.  

The odds of a real Yeti are perhaps even higher, due to the long record of apes in Asia, and the odds for an Orang Pendek are much higher, especially given the existence of orangutans and (recently) &lt;em&gt;Homo floresiensis&lt;/em&gt; nearby. 

But you&#039;re right; until it can be shown that there really is an ape that fits the description of Bigfoot, it makes no sense to ask if it migrated to North America 13,000 years ago, 50,000 years ago, or a million years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gut feeling is that the odds of Bigfoot being a real, flesh-and-blood ape are too low to be optimistic but too high to conclude against it altogether.  </p>
<p>The odds of a real Yeti are perhaps even higher, due to the long record of apes in Asia, and the odds for an Orang Pendek are much higher, especially given the existence of orangutans and (recently) <em>Homo floresiensis</em> nearby. </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right; until it can be shown that there really is an ape that fits the description of Bigfoot, it makes no sense to ask if it migrated to North America 13,000 years ago, 50,000 years ago, or a million years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: djwcaw</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/pre-clovis/comment-page-1/#comment-80897</link>
		<dc:creator>djwcaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;At any rate, a lot of animals obviously did cross from America to Eurasia or from Eurasia to America, many of them long before any plausibly suggested first human migration. If you want a ray of hope, those are probably better analogues than Homo sapiens.&lt;/i&gt;  While I think there are plausible global evidences for Bigfoot&#039;s existence (sightings, footprints, images etc) as others have mentioned without non-human (ape/hominoid) fossil evidence there is little foundation for the existence of a North American ape aka bigfoot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At any rate, a lot of animals obviously did cross from America to Eurasia or from Eurasia to America, many of them long before any plausibly suggested first human migration. If you want a ray of hope, those are probably better analogues than Homo sapiens.</i>  While I think there are plausible global evidences for Bigfoot&#8217;s existence (sightings, footprints, images etc) as others have mentioned without non-human (ape/hominoid) fossil evidence there is little foundation for the existence of a North American ape aka bigfoot.</p>
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		<title>By: Fhqwhgads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fhqwhgads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know why you think this has anything to do with Bigfoot.  That&#039;s ridiculous.  *If* there was a species of large, hairy, non-human, bipedal primate living in eastern Siberia during one of the times the Bering Land Bridge existed, it could have used the bridge to come over, or maybe some of them might have been washed out to sea, washed up on the other side, and formed a colony that way.  

The problem with that hypothesis is that it is ONLY a hypothesis; it is not supported by any evidence whatsoever.  We have at least sightings of Bigfoot and Bigfoot-like creatures from all over the world, but that evidence only goes back a few centuries (in oral folklore) or a few millenia (if you want to count things like the story of Enkidu).  There are obviously no surviving oral or literary records of such beings from Siberia 13000 years ago, and there are no known fossils of candidates from there, either.  Gigantopithecus is poorly understood; it was a large, non-human primate, but whether it was bipedal is strictly guesswork, and its range is not known to have extended that far north. 

This leaves us with no more evidence of a Sasquatch migration with the Clovis or Western Stemmed cultures than of Bigfoot arriving by flying saucer, as some would have it, or being a spirit of the forest with no permanent physical form. 

At any rate, a lot of animals obviously did cross from America to Eurasia or from Eurasia to America, many of them long before any plausibly suggested first human migration.  If you want a ray of hope, those are probably better analogues than Homo sapiens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why you think this has anything to do with Bigfoot.  That&#8217;s ridiculous.  *If* there was a species of large, hairy, non-human, bipedal primate living in eastern Siberia during one of the times the Bering Land Bridge existed, it could have used the bridge to come over, or maybe some of them might have been washed out to sea, washed up on the other side, and formed a colony that way.  </p>
<p>The problem with that hypothesis is that it is ONLY a hypothesis; it is not supported by any evidence whatsoever.  We have at least sightings of Bigfoot and Bigfoot-like creatures from all over the world, but that evidence only goes back a few centuries (in oral folklore) or a few millenia (if you want to count things like the story of Enkidu).  There are obviously no surviving oral or literary records of such beings from Siberia 13000 years ago, and there are no known fossils of candidates from there, either.  Gigantopithecus is poorly understood; it was a large, non-human primate, but whether it was bipedal is strictly guesswork, and its range is not known to have extended that far north. </p>
<p>This leaves us with no more evidence of a Sasquatch migration with the Clovis or Western Stemmed cultures than of Bigfoot arriving by flying saucer, as some would have it, or being a spirit of the forest with no permanent physical form. </p>
<p>At any rate, a lot of animals obviously did cross from America to Eurasia or from Eurasia to America, many of them long before any plausibly suggested first human migration.  If you want a ray of hope, those are probably better analogues than Homo sapiens.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrus01</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sadly, I do not think this discovery will do anything to encourage the scientific community to have a more open mind to the potential existence of a ape species native to North America. Earlier cultures, yes. But there is no evidence of an ape alongside this material. And that would be what is needed for a fossil finding to impact the debate. We would need actual ape fossils.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I do not think this discovery will do anything to encourage the scientific community to have a more open mind to the potential existence of a ape species native to North America. Earlier cultures, yes. But there is no evidence of an ape alongside this material. And that would be what is needed for a fossil finding to impact the debate. We would need actual ape fossils.</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the rate we&#039;re going, maybe in another 50 years it will be accepted there were humans living in America 50,000 years ago, and after another 100 years we&#039;ll be ready to accept there were other hominids living here 250,000 years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the rate we&#8217;re going, maybe in another 50 years it will be accepted there were humans living in America 50,000 years ago, and after another 100 years we&#8217;ll be ready to accept there were other hominids living here 250,000 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Fhqwhgads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fhqwhgads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22053-was-america-first-colonised-by-two-cultures-at-once.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what I&#039;ve read&lt;/a&gt;, the fossil poo is 14300 years old, but the non-Clovis tools are about 12800 years old.  Without knowing the error bars on those numbers, it&#039;s hard to be sure, but that&#039;s an estimated difference of 1500 years.  It&#039;s not a slam dunk that the two finds are in any way related.

Regardless, it does show that there was another culture in America contemporary with the Clovis people.  Unfortunately, the Western Stemmed projectile culture was already known; this just pushes back the earliest date at which they are known to have been here.

I think from a cryptozoological point of view, the article &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22051-hominins-did-not-need-boats-to-settle-islands.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hominins did not need boats to settle islands&lt;/a&gt; is more interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22053-was-america-first-colonised-by-two-cultures-at-once.html" rel="nofollow">what I&#8217;ve read</a>, the fossil poo is 14300 years old, but the non-Clovis tools are about 12800 years old.  Without knowing the error bars on those numbers, it&#8217;s hard to be sure, but that&#8217;s an estimated difference of 1500 years.  It&#8217;s not a slam dunk that the two finds are in any way related.</p>
<p>Regardless, it does show that there was another culture in America contemporary with the Clovis people.  Unfortunately, the Western Stemmed projectile culture was already known; this just pushes back the earliest date at which they are known to have been here.</p>
<p>I think from a cryptozoological point of view, the article <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22051-hominins-did-not-need-boats-to-settle-islands.html" rel="nofollow">Hominins did not need boats to settle islands</a> is more interesting.</p>
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