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		<title>By: CryptoHaus_Press</title>
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		<dc:creator>CryptoHaus_Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think generational conflicts are a sad reflection of the inability of all humans to avoid segregation along cultural lines.

like some have said, taking one obviously mentally disturbed individual and the rantings of others equally 'empathetically challenged' in the RRR writings and applying that brush to an entire generation is not unlike saying all Baby Boomers wanted to bankrupt America's future because of W's failed leadership and the failure of the largely Boomer-aged Congress to prevent it.

or blaming the 'Greatest Generation' for the only bombing of a civilian city not once but twice to end the Japanese portion of WW2.

in essence, it's a reductionist point of view. it fails to also take into account the sufferings of each generation at the hands of the generations preceeding it.

i'm guilty of this a lot. i tend to blame the various preceedings generations at times; at other times, i realize there is humanity in all age groups, and that some elderly and middle-aged people deserve enormous respect if not for wisdom than simply enduring human reality for so many years without giving up.

it's a thankless task to survive, see so much horror committed by so few for the unfortunate misery of so many, again and again, i think.

but you know, there ARE always latent sociopaths in every generation.

for every Einstein, there is a Stalin. for every John Lennon, a Charlie Manson. for every hope, there is a failure. it's the balance and unbalance of life, as far as i can determine.

sadly, our latent problems know no bounds, either religious, cultural, metaphysical, or generational.

we are wounded and we are strong; we are monsters (at times) and we are (at times) saints.

a good thought to keep in mind when we discuss cryptids; for who is to say, for example, that supposing its existence, a 'bigfoot is all good' or 'bigfoot is all bad' when we are honest?

could not some be 'good' and others be 'bad' without either invalidating the tribe as a whole?

if not, we have a lot of explaining to do if we ever DO make 'contact' with alien life forces or Fortean 'beyond our knowledge' forces.

after all, we cannot even agree amongst ourselves all too often on a course of action, and yet all of us who are alive and reading these thoughts are responsible at some level, for example, for greenhouse emissions, continued warfare, etc.

IF of course you agree with my statements. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think generational conflicts are a sad reflection of the inability of all humans to avoid segregation along cultural lines.</p>
<p>like some have said, taking one obviously mentally disturbed individual and the rantings of others equally &#8216;empathetically challenged&#8217; in the RRR writings and applying that brush to an entire generation is not unlike saying all Baby Boomers wanted to bankrupt America&#8217;s future because of W&#8217;s failed leadership and the failure of the largely Boomer-aged Congress to prevent it.</p>
<p>or blaming the &#8216;Greatest Generation&#8217; for the only bombing of a civilian city not once but twice to end the Japanese portion of WW2.</p>
<p>in essence, it&#8217;s a reductionist point of view. it fails to also take into account the sufferings of each generation at the hands of the generations preceeding it.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m guilty of this a lot. i tend to blame the various preceedings generations at times; at other times, i realize there is humanity in all age groups, and that some elderly and middle-aged people deserve enormous respect if not for wisdom than simply enduring human reality for so many years without giving up.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a thankless task to survive, see so much horror committed by so few for the unfortunate misery of so many, again and again, i think.</p>
<p>but you know, there ARE always latent sociopaths in every generation.</p>
<p>for every Einstein, there is a Stalin. for every John Lennon, a Charlie Manson. for every hope, there is a failure. it&#8217;s the balance and unbalance of life, as far as i can determine.</p>
<p>sadly, our latent problems know no bounds, either religious, cultural, metaphysical, or generational.</p>
<p>we are wounded and we are strong; we are monsters (at times) and we are (at times) saints.</p>
<p>a good thought to keep in mind when we discuss cryptids; for who is to say, for example, that supposing its existence, a &#8216;bigfoot is all good&#8217; or &#8216;bigfoot is all bad&#8217; when we are honest?</p>
<p>could not some be &#8216;good&#8217; and others be &#8216;bad&#8217; without either invalidating the tribe as a whole?</p>
<p>if not, we have a lot of explaining to do if we ever DO make &#8216;contact&#8217; with alien life forces or Fortean &#8216;beyond our knowledge&#8217; forces.</p>
<p>after all, we cannot even agree amongst ourselves all too often on a course of action, and yet all of us who are alive and reading these thoughts are responsible at some level, for example, for greenhouse emissions, continued warfare, etc.</p>
<p>IF of course you agree with my statements. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope Sheldrake recovers soon...

Get well soon, Sir!!!

I second what ARTIST, RED_PILL_JUNKIE, and CAMPERGUY said.

The "new guard" seems to think the "old guard" has totally bad ideas and only they, the "young turks," so to speak, have all the answers. NOT TRUE.

Reminds me of Newton's remarks about "standing on the shoulders of giants."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope Sheldrake recovers soon&#8230;</p>
<p>Get well soon, Sir!!!</p>
<p>I second what ARTIST, RED_PILL_JUNKIE, and CAMPERGUY said.</p>
<p>The &#8220;new guard&#8221; seems to think the &#8220;old guard&#8221; has totally bad ideas and only they, the &#8220;young turks,&#8221; so to speak, have all the answers. NOT TRUE.</p>
<p>Reminds me of Newton&#8217;s remarks about &#8220;standing on the shoulders of giants.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bigfootnut99</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigfootnut99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren,

    I'd just like to say that the "RRR" group is not representative of our generation as a whole. They are the exception, not the rule. I personally feel deeply honored to be able to "stand on the shoulders of giants", as it were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren,</p>
<p>    I&#8217;d just like to say that the &#8220;RRR&#8221; group is not representative of our generation as a whole. They are the exception, not the rule. I personally feel deeply honored to be able to &#8220;stand on the shoulders of giants&#8221;, as it were.</p>
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		<title>By: hudgeliberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>hudgeliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for sasquatch and all the "new thinking",well,new ideas are great but I still feel deep in my heart that if we ever do prove that our creature exists,it will be some crypto-lover who just heads out into the forest/mountains and sets up a campground..just like the "old school" men like Dahinden,Byrne and others. It is great to try new strategies and to use new technology,I just feel that it should not always end up in a fight or screaming and yelling. Why cant people talk like adults anymore? Why cant we have different ideas and opinions without hating each other for it..why cant we use them and work them together?? For all the technology and advancements in science,it seems we humans are just a very flawed creature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for sasquatch and all the &#8220;new thinking&#8221;,well,new ideas are great but I still feel deep in my heart that if we ever do prove that our creature exists,it will be some crypto-lover who just heads out into the forest/mountains and sets up a campground..just like the &#8220;old school&#8221; men like Dahinden,Byrne and others. It is great to try new strategies and to use new technology,I just feel that it should not always end up in a fight or screaming and yelling. Why cant people talk like adults anymore? Why cant we have different ideas and opinions without hating each other for it..why cant we use them and work them together?? For all the technology and advancements in science,it seems we humans are just a very flawed creature.</p>
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		<title>By: hudgeliberal</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pushing 42..to some that is ancient to others that is "prime of life". I just know that to me,the elders of the UFO and Crypto scene get my upmost respect. As a child growing up in the very late 60's and throughout the 70's,these men were the first "grown ups" that I ever heard discussing things like UFOs,Bigfoot,Loch Ness etc. in a serious manner. The documentaries and television series of the 70's that hooked so many of us and introduced us to cryptozoology and UFOs,almost always featured men like Friedman,Hall,Byrne,Krantz,Dahinden,Green and others who have become sort of legends to those of my generation. Although many of them have fought and argued time and time again,it never came to situations like Loren explains above. These young "idiots" should be locked up..period. Sure,we all grow and learn and theories come and go as they are proven or disproven...that is science. That is how we learn and grow. I know that anytime I have the chance to talk or listen to one of my elders..I do. People need to realize,that all seniors,regardless of education or intelligence level..are walking history books. They all have lived and experienced a lot of history in many different ways and each have their own unique stories and ideas..not just Ufologists or Cryptozoologist..but just your everyday elder statesmen/women. If we fail to learn from our elders..then like they say,"those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it". These RRR idiots would do good to take heed to that statement. Kudos to the elders of Ufology and Cryptozoology. They paved the way for sites like this. With the newfound interest and surge of television programs dealing with the cryptid world,we should take advantage and learn all we can while the interest and funds are there. I say that we must also include the "veterans" in the field and use their knowledge and experience to continue what they started years ago. Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pushing 42..to some that is ancient to others that is &#8220;prime of life&#8221;. I just know that to me,the elders of the UFO and Crypto scene get my upmost respect. As a child growing up in the very late 60&#8217;s and throughout the 70&#8217;s,these men were the first &#8220;grown ups&#8221; that I ever heard discussing things like UFOs,Bigfoot,Loch Ness etc. in a serious manner. The documentaries and television series of the 70&#8217;s that hooked so many of us and introduced us to cryptozoology and UFOs,almost always featured men like Friedman,Hall,Byrne,Krantz,Dahinden,Green and others who have become sort of legends to those of my generation. Although many of them have fought and argued time and time again,it never came to situations like Loren explains above. These young &#8220;idiots&#8221; should be locked up..period. Sure,we all grow and learn and theories come and go as they are proven or disproven&#8230;that is science. That is how we learn and grow. I know that anytime I have the chance to talk or listen to one of my elders..I do. People need to realize,that all seniors,regardless of education or intelligence level..are walking history books. They all have lived and experienced a lot of history in many different ways and each have their own unique stories and ideas..not just Ufologists or Cryptozoologist..but just your everyday elder statesmen/women. If we fail to learn from our elders..then like they say,&#8221;those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it&#8221;. These RRR idiots would do good to take heed to that statement. Kudos to the elders of Ufology and Cryptozoology. They paved the way for sites like this. With the newfound interest and surge of television programs dealing with the cryptid world,we should take advantage and learn all we can while the interest and funds are there. I say that we must also include the &#8220;veterans&#8221; in the field and use their knowledge and experience to continue what they started years ago. Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: kithra</title>
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		<dc:creator>kithra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone wants to send their get well wishes direct to Rupert Sheldrake's site, as I did as soon as I heard the news, here's the email address:
pam@telepet.demon.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone wants to send their get well wishes direct to Rupert Sheldrake&#8217;s site, as I did as soon as I heard the news, here&#8217;s the email address:<br />
<a href="mailto:pam@telepet.demon.co.uk">pam@telepet.demon.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: springheeledjack</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 06:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's always easy to get on a blog or somewhere in cyberspace and make bold comments, like about waiting for the old generations to die off. AND it's also short sighted, 'cause as we all know, new thinkers are right behind them. In the crypto case, cryptozoology has hardly died out with Heuvelmans generation. And as we speak I am passing along my love of cryptozoology to my boy.

Making such statements just shows a lack of maturity and intelligence. Again and again, hey if you don't believe something fine, don't believe, but it's the fanatics who try to tell others what they should and should not believe (or can and can't believe) that are the people we need to keep in check.

And in this particular case, yes, I think the red flags were in place on that individual. Of course, it's hard to recognize the red flags a lot of times until after the fact.

For the rest of us, I think we can count on the next generations keeping up the hunt for cryptids, ufos, etc. despite a few bloggers who try to talk for the bulk of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always easy to get on a blog or somewhere in cyberspace and make bold comments, like about waiting for the old generations to die off. AND it&#8217;s also short sighted, &#8217;cause as we all know, new thinkers are right behind them. In the crypto case, cryptozoology has hardly died out with Heuvelmans generation. And as we speak I am passing along my love of cryptozoology to my boy.</p>
<p>Making such statements just shows a lack of maturity and intelligence. Again and again, hey if you don&#8217;t believe something fine, don&#8217;t believe, but it&#8217;s the fanatics who try to tell others what they should and should not believe (or can and can&#8217;t believe) that are the people we need to keep in check.</p>
<p>And in this particular case, yes, I think the red flags were in place on that individual. Of course, it&#8217;s hard to recognize the red flags a lot of times until after the fact.</p>
<p>For the rest of us, I think we can count on the next generations keeping up the hunt for cryptids, ufos, etc. despite a few bloggers who try to talk for the bulk of us.</p>
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		<title>By: bill green</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Loren &#038; everyone! Wow, this is a very interesting article. Researchers are always battling over new or old info about Sasquatch, naturally, in a serious way. But it is never in a way where it causes someone harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Loren &#038; everyone! Wow, this is a very interesting article. Researchers are always battling over new or old info about Sasquatch, naturally, in a serious way. But it is never in a way where it causes someone harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This specific blog entry is about ideas, generational differences, researchers, and attempted assassinations in the land of non-mainstream thinking.

It is not about ufology, and thus comments that wish to begin discourses on ufological thoughts and criticisms will not be supported and published here.  (You will not see those here, for very long.)

For those that understand the underlying metaphorical themes regarding how some in cryptozoology wish to "overthrow" the elders in our field, you get it.

Thank you for staying on the topic at hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This specific blog entry is about ideas, generational differences, researchers, and attempted assassinations in the land of non-mainstream thinking.</p>
<p>It is not about ufology, and thus comments that wish to begin discourses on ufological thoughts and criticisms will not be supported and published here.  (You will not see those here, for very long.)</p>
<p>For those that understand the underlying metaphorical themes regarding how some in cryptozoology wish to &#8220;overthrow&#8221; the elders in our field, you get it.</p>
<p>Thank you for staying on the topic at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: CamperGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>CamperGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man heard voices in his head was a clear red flag.  Authorities should have been alerted at that time. "Son of Sam" serial killer claimed to have heard such voices.
   Why don't these voices ever tell people to do something constructive with all due respect to Joan of Arc?

    It is going to be unfortunate if the attacker read the blog.

    The blog seems to say that new ideas cannot flourish in the face of old ideas being supported by the old guard. Aren't all new ideas forced to cross this hurdle? The world is flat vs. the world is round new idea comes to mind. The article is not logical to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man heard voices in his head was a clear red flag.  Authorities should have been alerted at that time. &#8220;Son of Sam&#8221; serial killer claimed to have heard such voices.<br />
   Why don&#8217;t these voices ever tell people to do something constructive with all due respect to Joan of Arc?</p>
<p>    It is going to be unfortunate if the attacker read the blog.</p>
<p>    The blog seems to say that new ideas cannot flourish in the face of old ideas being supported by the old guard. Aren&#8217;t all new ideas forced to cross this hurdle? The world is flat vs. the world is round new idea comes to mind. The article is not logical to me.</p>
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