It is quite obvious from your post that you are quite passionate about both the Patterson film and the Shroud of Turin. That was exactly my point in making the comparisons. You obviously have faith and lot’s of it.

Everything I stated in my post in regard to the shroud is indeed FACT and not “blasphemous” (a faith based word). Test were done on the shroud and it was dated from the medieval age. That is a Fact. It makes sense, fake religious relics were a HUGE business back then. That is another Fact. The Vatican (HQ to one of the world’s largest religions and OWNERS of the shroud) decline to declare it REAL. That is a Fact. How are these three facts “blasphemous”? Again your faith in both just proves my point. Thank you for this. And I will keep posting.

That is great that you consider yourself knowledgeable about living creatures but please tell me how on earth your knowledge of Latin words for living creatures makes what is portrayed in the Paterson film legit? It has nothing to do with it. Even if you have a degree in biology or natural science or other related field (I assume you don’t since I am sure you would have mentioned it in your post.) does not make the subject in Patterson’s film legit.

The burden of proof does not lie with the people who do not believe that the subject in the Paterson film is a cryptid, it lies with the people who say it is an unknown creature. I say it is a guy in a furry suit whose butt is bound by a non-moving diaper like costume piece. That is more believable. More practical. More sense. Most importantly more likely.

With technology expanding by leaps and bounds with HD cameras, infrared, motion sensing, etc. if Bigfoot does exist then it will probably be proven very soon. If it doesn’t then it will go the way of Nessie where fewer & fewer sightings or evidence will trickle in. Past sightings/evidence will be disproven (Surgeon’s Photo, the “enhanced” flipper photo, etc.) and become folklore & tourist attractions.

Keep the faith Mr. Opalman, because right now that’s all you have in regard to the Patterson film. Faith just like in the Shroud of Turin.

I wish you well.

As stated too many time now, I grew up hunting and trapping, as well zoology has been a particularly important fascination of mine ever since I was 5 or 6 years old. I not only know bout every mammal species on the planet’s monikers but I can rattle of their Latin names. Like whiteriverfisherman relates all you really need is a lifetime of observing mammals to come to the very correct if unscientific conclusion that the Patty is the real deal. Arguments based on physiology and body mechanics of a creature yet to be dissected are a waste of time. IMO anyone who has spent a lot of time studying the actions, habits and movements of animals needs no convincing as to the authenticity of the film and the existence of the creature. The film subject screams “I’m real”—period. If I where to rely on purely logical arguments for the non-existence or existence of the creature I would not be so convinced either way. I would be another skeptic who merely saw himself as “open to the possibility” of sasquatche’s existence. But taken with the other anecdotal evidence such as reports and sightings from folks I have absolute confidence in the issue becomes, how do we get the scientific community to look into this seriously. I guess the answer to that for me is…money! I really believe that If I had (personally) a couple of mil to budget and spend intelligently the issue would be solved once and for all.

@ TimmyRyan65
You sir would be well advised to keep your blasphemous assertions to yourself and out of a public forum. Are you so inconsiderate and disrespectful as to trample on another’s sacred spiritual beliefs?

I don’t know what your references are (I suspect you have none) but the majority of world acclaimed science specialists from around the world and comprising the STURP which included the (Jet propulsion Lab; Pasadena CA, Los Alamos National Laboratory, and several others have unanimously concluded:
A. There is no accurate way to date the Shroud of Turin. (unanimously agreed)
B. The mechanism for the deposition of radiation scarification of the material is unknown to modern man and that they have not been able to replicate it in any lab. (unanimously agreed)
C. Forensic pathologist have determined that the blood staining the cloth was AB type.
D. The very advanced VP8 Image Analyzer conclusively determined that a 3D hologram like image appears when viewed from the instrument. This is impossible to duplicate without a sophisticated lab’s laser light table. (unanimously agreed) And even then the results are inferior to the Shroud.
E. The STURP’s published conclusion was that the Shroud of Turin represents something totally unknown, impossible to duplicate and not at all understood from a physics and forensic standpoint.

Where do you get off writing that it’s a fake?
I could go on with similarly listed technical points that validate my stand and write a long paper on this subject but I won’t, after all this is a bit off topic. Since though, you choose to reference the Shroud in your argument, making ignorant comparisons with sasquatch research; I feel my apologetics are well justified. Should the small chance exist that you might be interested in facts instead of parroting crap your atheist friends excrete from their mouths, you are hereby encouraged to do some research yourself.

The problem with sasquatch discussion site is typified by posts such as yours. So many people stating things they were actual facts when they are actually total ignorant BS.

Thank you for your post. I am a daily visitor to this website. I read all the stories, and all the comments. I realize there is a lot of BS out there in the crypto world. And it is hard to be anything but sceptical when a claim is made.

I’ll leave it at that. In reflection, I know I did so many STUPID things that day and the following morning. I’m not proud of it, and I fully expected to get dissed in a major way. That you had the decency to not do so is greatly appreciated.

Perhaps when (and if) I continue my “research” I will have more to say here.

I’m calliing BS.

But not on you. I just told you what to be ready for.

(This will be a long post.)

(Scaryeyes: I thought it was a totally reasonable question. Why I asked. Why Sharon did.)

There is one reason that P/G – that no single piece of evidence – is taken seriously. And that is, simply, that no one, at least no one who counts, believes anyone who says anything. I have long wondered, frequently right here on Cryptomundo, how anyone with a brain could possibly think we could have proof after five years, 10, 50, or 7,000….WHEN NO ONE WHO COUNTS BELIEVES ANYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING. The evidence for the sasquatch – and yours goes firmly on the pile, for reasons I have often taken pains to point out here, and am about to again – has the power it does not because of any particular one, although P/G is almost indisputably the most powerful single one. It has the power it does because of the sheer size (frequency) and internal consistency (coherence) of that pile, two factors that any truly objective scientist (almost none are on this topic) clearly recognizes as making evidence valid and testable, even if short of proof.

Succinctly stated: everything else for which we have the same pattern of evidence has been proven to exist. Period.

And to anyone who truly understands how to think about this, and most don’t, that means: We have to search until we confirm. Period. (No time-limit; no when-stop-the-nonsense. When mainstream science isn’t involved you haven’t even started looking.)

One frequently sees the call-BS on experiences of the kind you had. Oh, suuuuuure, they say. Forgot the camera. How convenient. Or forgot there was one on your lap. Suuuure. (I have read more than one account of the latter.) One never thinks to think about how THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF PERSON who gets this kind of shot: Roger Patterson.

KIDDING.

But not totally. To get a good clear pic or vid of an elusive animal, one needs to be either lottery-lucky (none are, except sounds like you were…and folks do, after all, win Powerball) or PREPARED both technically and psychologically to wait for the shot, and get it when it comes. It helps to be in a prime location, where much evidence of the animal is present. Patterson was all three; the evidence is why he went where he did. Luck – he could tell you, were he here to do so – is indeed where preparation meets opportunity. They prepared, like no one else has, to get the shot. Three-day field trips don’t cut it. Three-and-a-half-week expeditions on horseback, with a camera in a special saddlebag, ready for a cowboy to pull a cowboy-style draw that he rehearsed extensively in advance: now you are talking.

You guys? Sounds like what happened is what frequently happens. It happens all the time, with mundane subjects; and never ever does, or should, with this one?

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

I wouldn’t have gone into chapter and verse unless prompted either. You were there. We weren’t. What right do we have to call BS? If you saw a unicorn, or a centaur, now I might have to go…well, you know, there isn’t a unicorn/centaur database anywhere that I’m aware of, much less multiple databases, all with internally consistent reports and lots of them, spanning just about every kind of encounter possible with a wild animal. But you were there; I wasn’t; and I’d simply have to say: thanks, but that isn’t proof. It’s one story. It would be proof to you, though, if it were real: you were there.

This is my problem, and why I call BS on the oh-suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure people. How sure could they be? They need to just shut up and think for a change. Evidence is not proof unless science accepts it; and there isn’t a skeptic on this topic who seems to understand that simple concept. Which is absolutely fundamental to jurisprudence, as well as science, so I have trouble understanding the major fail. I’m sorry you don’t have the backup. This might be a different world if you did.

But I can’t call BS on Patterson; on you; or on anyone else who claims an experience. At least one friend of mine has seen what, if it wasn’t one, sure sounded to me like one. And never having seen one, I’ve seen on two occasions evidence easy to explain this way…and virtually impossible to explain in any other.

It’s all evidence. And everything else like it has been proven real.

Period.

The next day we viewed the tape on the television, but left the original in the recorder. The person I was with then did the unthinkable. They accidentally left the tape in the camera and taped over it.

So call BS on me.

As a matter of reference, I am an actuary working for the state of South Carolina. I am 52 years old, married with two grown children. I have NOT posted a video on YouTube. I have not written a book. I have not attempted to gain attention or financial gain from what I have communicated here.

I posted here only to provide my experience on what I saw, since I was fortunate enough to have a daylight sighting only 20 yards away. It was so remarkable, and occurred when I was just becoming interested in Bigfoot, that to be completely honest, I didn’t even think it was an uncommon happening. Thus, the reason I suggested we leave the area as a token of good faith.

Yes, if I had that day over, I would have insisted we make copies of the tape. But I can’t bring it back.

I would much rather be accused of being mistaken for what I saw that of lying.

Anyway, you asked for people to come forward.

DWA has a good point. No objective evidence? Where is the video tape and why not share it with others to see?

My daylight sighting occurred four years ago in Northern Tennessee. The bigfoot was trying to hide behind a tree, but was not completely hidden. It was about 20 yards from where I was standing. My companion had a video recorder with zoom. We watched for several minutes.

My recollection was of a tall creature, with black hair covering the body parts I could see. I don’t think the bigfoot I saw was as thick in body as the PG film. Perhaps it was a juvenile. I don’t know. The face, which we partially saw through the video recorder, was dark in complexion. A major feature was the simian type nose. What you would see on maybe a gorilla? Black nose. Also, very large eyes.

I so wish I had that day in my life back. I would have done things so much differently. We left some food there for the Bigfoot and left the area. What a mistake!

My one sighting. I am certainly not an expert, and don’t hold myself out as one. I know what I saw, and I know it was not a black bear or a person in a costume.

I’d like to hear from these people who claim to “know” these creatures exist.