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		<title>By: SweatyYeti</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/p-g-talk/comment-page-2/#comment-79293</link>
		<dc:creator>SweatyYeti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to jewpunxxx:

If you read the latest, on Bill Munns&#039; Report website...(that gridbug linked to)....he has since backed-off of his finding, that the camera used a 15MM lens, and that Patty was 7&#039; 3&quot; tall. He is reviewing the photogrammetry analysis, at the moment.
But he is working on some additional &#039;lines of analysis&#039;...that he expects will prove Patty to be a real animal.
And...then there is the movement of Patty&#039;s mouth, and eyebrows...which strongly indicate that Patty is a real, near-human being.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to jewpunxxx:</p>
<p>If you read the latest, on Bill Munns&#8217; Report website&#8230;(that gridbug linked to)&#8230;.he has since backed-off of his finding, that the camera used a 15MM lens, and that Patty was 7&#8242; 3&#8243; tall. He is reviewing the photogrammetry analysis, at the moment.<br />
But he is working on some additional &#8216;lines of analysis&#8217;&#8230;that he expects will prove Patty to be a real animal.<br />
And&#8230;then there is the movement of Patty&#8217;s mouth, and eyebrows&#8230;which strongly indicate that Patty is a real, near-human being.</p>
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		<title>By: gridbug</title>
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		<dc:creator>gridbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 23:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill Munns was also prominent in the NatGeo American Paranormal: Bigfoot episode. Also, his &lt;a href=&quot;http://themunnsreport.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Munns Report site&lt;/a&gt; has a lot of great information relevant to this topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Munns was also prominent in the NatGeo American Paranormal: Bigfoot episode. Also, his <a href="http://themunnsreport.com/" rel="nofollow">Munns Report site</a> has a lot of great information relevant to this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: jewpunxxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>jewpunxxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If anyone who is interested and has not seen bill munns video analysis of the footage you really should it was the best analysis i have ever come across and he figured out whatno one else realized that the lense used on the camera was not the standard lense, it was infact a 15mm wideshot lense and not the 20 that came with the camera. With this knowledge munn has produced the most precise measurements of the subject.the height of the creature using the measurements from the 15mm lense come to 7&#039;2&quot;-7&#039;6&quot;. He also created a series of heads and used the same camera and lense to gauge the most accurate head shape of the subject and came to the conclusion that if it were a mask that a humans head wearing the mask would have to sit so far back that he would not have been able to see out of the mask. If you wouldlike to see this analysis for yourself it is on monsterquest episode entitled critical evidence, season three i think. I do not know why this relevation has not been taken more seriously by any media sources to reignite any serious investigation into the subject. This is the best recent info that has come to light i would like to see any recent arguements against this film beinga real animal, because all the old ones have fallen to the wayside its too bad they have gotten the most publicity. This film needs some positive publicity along with all the great evidence out there now. I think we need to get a good high quality documentary going something where the right amount of time and care can be given to the subject and to going out to search for the creature properly, not just a weekend in the woods but a proper expedition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone who is interested and has not seen bill munns video analysis of the footage you really should it was the best analysis i have ever come across and he figured out whatno one else realized that the lense used on the camera was not the standard lense, it was infact a 15mm wideshot lense and not the 20 that came with the camera. With this knowledge munn has produced the most precise measurements of the subject.the height of the creature using the measurements from the 15mm lense come to 7&#8217;2&#8243;-7&#8217;6&#8243;. He also created a series of heads and used the same camera and lense to gauge the most accurate head shape of the subject and came to the conclusion that if it were a mask that a humans head wearing the mask would have to sit so far back that he would not have been able to see out of the mask. If you wouldlike to see this analysis for yourself it is on monsterquest episode entitled critical evidence, season three i think. I do not know why this relevation has not been taken more seriously by any media sources to reignite any serious investigation into the subject. This is the best recent info that has come to light i would like to see any recent arguements against this film beinga real animal, because all the old ones have fallen to the wayside its too bad they have gotten the most publicity. This film needs some positive publicity along with all the great evidence out there now. I think we need to get a good high quality documentary going something where the right amount of time and care can be given to the subject and to going out to search for the creature properly, not just a weekend in the woods but a proper expedition.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kopite:

&quot;With regards to Bob Heironimus, he has changed and altered his story more times than he has had hot dinners.&quot;

And the funny thing about that is:  people calling themselves &quot;skeptical&quot; swallow every iteration as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kopite:</p>
<p>&#8220;With regards to Bob Heironimus, he has changed and altered his story more times than he has had hot dinners.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the funny thing about that is:  people calling themselves &#8220;skeptical&#8221; swallow every iteration as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!</p>
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		<title>By: Kopite</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/p-g-talk/comment-page-2/#comment-79134</link>
		<dc:creator>Kopite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes we should still talk about the PGF. It is a perfect example to hold up against the plethora of hoaxes, which do not look anything like it.

With regards to Bob Heironimus, he has changed and altered his story more times than he has had hot dinners. One minute the suit was a smelly dead red horse with no metal or fasteners, he was wearing waist high waders and was barefoot inside the &#039;costume&#039;..........and the next minute the suit is a fake fur Morris suit with a zipper down the back, knee high waders and he was wearing his own shoes inside the &#039;costume&#039;.

Bob Heironimus&#039;s claims about the film site are equally impossible. Bob Heironimus claimed the creek was dry, the sand was white, that they were off the road a ways and were in a spot where nobody coming up the road could see them and Roger was filming from his horse shaking the camera.

All of Bob H&#039;s impossible blunders can be 100% disproven by the footage itself. 

In the actual footage we can see that:

1. The creek is wet and flowing.

2. That Roger Patterson was actually standing on the road when he started filming.

3. That there is a clear unobstructed view from this road right across the clearing and over to the forested hillside in the background.

4. That Roger&#039;s camera position was low to the ground and much much lower than horseback level.

What can we prove by all of this? Simple. That Bob Heironimus was never there at Bluff Creek. His claims read like a man who gets his information by what he &#039;thinks&#039; he can see in the footage. Unfortunately for his claim, Heironimus didn&#039;t study the footage close enough, particularly the almost never viewed opening frames where we can see the wet creek, the road and the rocky banks of the creek that Patterson quite clearly negotiated on foot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes we should still talk about the PGF. It is a perfect example to hold up against the plethora of hoaxes, which do not look anything like it.</p>
<p>With regards to Bob Heironimus, he has changed and altered his story more times than he has had hot dinners. One minute the suit was a smelly dead red horse with no metal or fasteners, he was wearing waist high waders and was barefoot inside the &#8216;costume&#8217;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and the next minute the suit is a fake fur Morris suit with a zipper down the back, knee high waders and he was wearing his own shoes inside the &#8216;costume&#8217;.</p>
<p>Bob Heironimus&#8217;s claims about the film site are equally impossible. Bob Heironimus claimed the creek was dry, the sand was white, that they were off the road a ways and were in a spot where nobody coming up the road could see them and Roger was filming from his horse shaking the camera.</p>
<p>All of Bob H&#8217;s impossible blunders can be 100% disproven by the footage itself. </p>
<p>In the actual footage we can see that:</p>
<p>1. The creek is wet and flowing.</p>
<p>2. That Roger Patterson was actually standing on the road when he started filming.</p>
<p>3. That there is a clear unobstructed view from this road right across the clearing and over to the forested hillside in the background.</p>
<p>4. That Roger&#8217;s camera position was low to the ground and much much lower than horseback level.</p>
<p>What can we prove by all of this? Simple. That Bob Heironimus was never there at Bluff Creek. His claims read like a man who gets his information by what he &#8216;thinks&#8217; he can see in the footage. Unfortunately for his claim, Heironimus didn&#8217;t study the footage close enough, particularly the almost never viewed opening frames where we can see the wet creek, the road and the rocky banks of the creek that Patterson quite clearly negotiated on foot.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/p-g-talk/comment-page-2/#comment-79090</link>
		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[choppedlow:

&quot;Do you know what’s even more fascinating that the prospect of an 8 foot tall 700 pound hairy guy walking around in the woods with his family? A topic that has so much data and so called “experts” that devote their lives to these things, but no one can prove they even exist.&quot;

This is a frequent, and very severe, overstatement of the time and money  - the only two ingredients that count - devoted to this &quot;search.&quot;

There have been two, count &#039;em two, cryptid expeditions in history that had a chance of doing anything toward confirmation.

One got us this film.

Read about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.texasbigfoot.com/index.php/our-research/projects/206-oe&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; other&lt;/a&gt;.

Two.  That&#039;s it.

And a bunch of inconsequential field trips.

Nobody&#039;s ever been involved in this on a full-time basis, or anywhere near, in the field, where the proof lies if it&#039;s anywhere.

And that&#039;s gotten what everyone should expect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>choppedlow:</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you know what’s even more fascinating that the prospect of an 8 foot tall 700 pound hairy guy walking around in the woods with his family? A topic that has so much data and so called “experts” that devote their lives to these things, but no one can prove they even exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a frequent, and very severe, overstatement of the time and money  &#8211; the only two ingredients that count &#8211; devoted to this &#8220;search.&#8221;</p>
<p>There have been two, count &#8216;em two, cryptid expeditions in history that had a chance of doing anything toward confirmation.</p>
<p>One got us this film.</p>
<p>Read about the <a href="http://www.texasbigfoot.com/index.php/our-research/projects/206-oe" rel="nofollow"> other</a>.</p>
<p>Two.  That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>And a bunch of inconsequential field trips.</p>
<p>Nobody&#8217;s ever been involved in this on a full-time basis, or anywhere near, in the field, where the proof lies if it&#8217;s anywhere.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s gotten what everyone should expect.</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoNY</title>
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		<dc:creator>CryptoNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was always very intrigued by this  film. Just look at the purported videos we have seen to date. Nothing compares in terms of detail and locomotion to study.

The clincher was Bill Munns study which overlaid a human form over the Patty. None of the joint locations (IM index) matched up at all. If the hip joints were matched the knee joint locations were off, if the knees were matched up the hip joints were off. How does one explain this. It is impossible to fabricate joint placement. Let&#039;s hear the skeptics perspective on this !
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always very intrigued by this  film. Just look at the purported videos we have seen to date. Nothing compares in terms of detail and locomotion to study.</p>
<p>The clincher was Bill Munns study which overlaid a human form over the Patty. None of the joint locations (IM index) matched up at all. If the hip joints were matched the knee joint locations were off, if the knees were matched up the hip joints were off. How does one explain this. It is impossible to fabricate joint placement. Let&#8217;s hear the skeptics perspective on this !</p>
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		<title>By: TheForthcoming</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheForthcoming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope to see a book from you Loren someday, maybe about the year 1967 and not only it&#039;s History in America and The World but also it&#039;s implications Cryptozoology wise including the PG Film and anything else worth noting or writing about. Even a blog post on here would be good. Hope to still see you and others on around here in 2017! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope to see a book from you Loren someday, maybe about the year 1967 and not only it&#8217;s History in America and The World but also it&#8217;s implications Cryptozoology wise including the PG Film and anything else worth noting or writing about. Even a blog post on here would be good. Hope to still see you and others on around here in 2017! <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Redrose999</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redrose999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember my first encounter with the Patty Film as a child, sitting in the family room while my sisters and I watched an episode of “In Search Off”. After that, I made it a thing to watch anything on it. It was fascinating and it scared the crap out of me.  I can recall, being so afraid of it, I kept thinking bigfoot would peek into one of the first floor windows of our house. I&#039;d shut all of the curtains and avoid going into the down stairs bathroom. LOL, I was a complete coward then, but what do you expect from an 8 year old?

The image of Patty on that footage stayed with me for years, and I think, I was so scared because the image conflicted with my idea of how &quot;animals&quot; should look. It looked human, but moved like an animal. That swagger with those long arms and how it turns, just creeped me out.  

Back then, the film was a key part of any program on the subject in the media.

I think the film&#039;s effect on the social psyche was profound. As Loren pointed out, there were many events that were important, and in some cases, politically more important, yet do not reappear in our media and social conscience in the same way, The Patty film does. 

I have always felt that if people want to write it off as a hoax, they have to prove that it could, in fact, be hoaxed. No one has effectively proven that it could be, as far as I&#039;m concerned. It doesn&#039;t mean no one will, but it seems at this point unlikely. If you want to prove it’s a hoax, you need more than just someone claiming to have done the job. You need physical proof, or at least a definitive, inarguable description of exactly how you could do it, and show me that it does accord with what we see in the film. In short -- I want the suit, or at least a design for a suit that could have been made in 1967 for something less than a major military project. The history and social impact behind the film deserves that kind respect. 

With all that said, imagine being the Patterson family over the years. The film has drawn all sorts of attention, some of it good, and some of it frustratingly bad. The entire legacy must be socially stress full and emotionally upsetting to the family. From comments in the past, it is obvious, the families have found it tiresome and they&#039;ve wanted to step away from this part of history. Correct me if I&#039;m wrong but some of these folks claiming they&#039;ve worn the suit have been family friends? I&#039;m not sure on this. But I can easily imagine, in order too protect the family members that perhaps they came up with ways to step away from the Bigfoot community and the fame of the films. What a better way than create rumors of it being fake.  In the end, it is a legacy to embrace, rather than deny or be embarrassed by, which would explain why Patterson’s Widow eventually allowed the analysis of the original film. 







Which bring me to the s]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember my first encounter with the Patty Film as a child, sitting in the family room while my sisters and I watched an episode of “In Search Off”. After that, I made it a thing to watch anything on it. It was fascinating and it scared the crap out of me.  I can recall, being so afraid of it, I kept thinking bigfoot would peek into one of the first floor windows of our house. I&#8217;d shut all of the curtains and avoid going into the down stairs bathroom. LOL, I was a complete coward then, but what do you expect from an 8 year old?</p>
<p>The image of Patty on that footage stayed with me for years, and I think, I was so scared because the image conflicted with my idea of how &#8220;animals&#8221; should look. It looked human, but moved like an animal. That swagger with those long arms and how it turns, just creeped me out.  </p>
<p>Back then, the film was a key part of any program on the subject in the media.</p>
<p>I think the film&#8217;s effect on the social psyche was profound. As Loren pointed out, there were many events that were important, and in some cases, politically more important, yet do not reappear in our media and social conscience in the same way, The Patty film does. </p>
<p>I have always felt that if people want to write it off as a hoax, they have to prove that it could, in fact, be hoaxed. No one has effectively proven that it could be, as far as I&#8217;m concerned. It doesn&#8217;t mean no one will, but it seems at this point unlikely. If you want to prove it’s a hoax, you need more than just someone claiming to have done the job. You need physical proof, or at least a definitive, inarguable description of exactly how you could do it, and show me that it does accord with what we see in the film. In short &#8212; I want the suit, or at least a design for a suit that could have been made in 1967 for something less than a major military project. The history and social impact behind the film deserves that kind respect. </p>
<p>With all that said, imagine being the Patterson family over the years. The film has drawn all sorts of attention, some of it good, and some of it frustratingly bad. The entire legacy must be socially stress full and emotionally upsetting to the family. From comments in the past, it is obvious, the families have found it tiresome and they&#8217;ve wanted to step away from this part of history. Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but some of these folks claiming they&#8217;ve worn the suit have been family friends? I&#8217;m not sure on this. But I can easily imagine, in order too protect the family members that perhaps they came up with ways to step away from the Bigfoot community and the fame of the films. What a better way than create rumors of it being fake.  In the end, it is a legacy to embrace, rather than deny or be embarrassed by, which would explain why Patterson’s Widow eventually allowed the analysis of the original film. </p>
<p>Which bring me to the s</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nearly 50 comments are here now. I&#039;d say you guys and gals &lt;em&gt;love&lt;/em&gt; to talk about the Roger Patterson-Robert Gimlin Bigfoot footage.

What in the world is going to happen when the 50th year anniversary of this &quot;film&quot; occurs? Look for dozens of books, documentaries, conferences, celebrations and more during that milestone 12 month period!! 

The Vietnam War, hippies, and the Patterson-Gimlin evidence will merge in the memories. Few recall that the day after the P-G footage was recorded, the big news of October 21st was the tens of thousands of people that marched on Washington D.C. in protest of the Vietnam War. The Year 1967 was quite a 12 months: The Doors, Fairport Convention, Beatles, and Monterey Pop were the talk of the music world. The Six-Day War happened. The Boston Strangler went to prison. Che was killed. Evel Knievel crashed when attempting to jump the Caesars Palace Fountains in Las Vegas.

It could be an intriguing time of 50th year anniversary remembrances in 2017.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nearly 50 comments are here now. I&#8217;d say you guys and gals <em>love</em> to talk about the Roger Patterson-Robert Gimlin Bigfoot footage.</p>
<p>What in the world is going to happen when the 50th year anniversary of this &#8220;film&#8221; occurs? Look for dozens of books, documentaries, conferences, celebrations and more during that milestone 12 month period!! </p>
<p>The Vietnam War, hippies, and the Patterson-Gimlin evidence will merge in the memories. Few recall that the day after the P-G footage was recorded, the big news of October 21st was the tens of thousands of people that marched on Washington D.C. in protest of the Vietnam War. The Year 1967 was quite a 12 months: The Doors, Fairport Convention, Beatles, and Monterey Pop were the talk of the music world. The Six-Day War happened. The Boston Strangler went to prison. Che was killed. Evel Knievel crashed when attempting to jump the Caesars Palace Fountains in Las Vegas.</p>
<p>It could be an intriguing time of 50th year anniversary remembrances in 2017.</p>
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