Comments on: Latest News on Olsen “Champ Video”

By: Erik Knatterud

Erik Knatterud — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:58:01 +0000

Fascinating, that people still discuss the “thing” being moose. The most prominent feature of a swimming moose’s head held above the water are the very visible ears and the extra long snout, the same with deer execpt the snout is far more pointed. I am glad Coleman too mentioned the ears. It is no moose in distress, just an unknown creature leisurely coasting towards the shore. Why the hell does is have to be something known, a polecat, a turtle or god knows what? No way this is a terrestial, mundane animal, no way this is a so-called “long necked seal”, it is much longer.

See it again and again and again, there are three portions of its body behind the neck, the foremost visible part above the surface, the next two parts creating distinct upheavals of water (small waves) very close to the surface.

Check out the wake left of the animal. There is the standard v-wake from the neck or the foremost hump, but there is also another disturbance inside this wake, behind the third hump. I cannot copy or store this footage, otherwise I would try analyze it.

By: cryptidsrus

cryptidsrus — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:24:36 +0000

Mystery_Man:

Thanks for the input. I understand you have to look at it from a scientific viewpoint.

You think it could be a turtle??? Some folks are saying that…

The body just seems too elongated and too big for that.

By: wbp

wbp — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:27:37 +0000

As some have pointed out above, toward the end of the film, a hump of some sort appears considerably behind the “head” and “main hump” (which are pretty much visible throughout the film). This second hump is clearly visible at (roughly) 1:31, 136-8, and 1:44, and it trails at a consistent distance from the head and body so as to be be construed as being attached to these somehow.
If it’s a dog/deer/moose/otter/cabybara/etc., what could this second hump be?

By: kittenz

kittenz — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:26:54 +0000

Remember this is an “enhanced” version of a low resolution video. The “lack of ears” could be due to the animals ears being lost in the backlighting off the water. I think it’s a deer, or just possibly a dog (Labs are awfully common, and they do like to swim, but this animal doesn’t seem to swim like a dog does). Deer seems most likely.

By: mystery_man

mystery_man — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:02:50 +0000

cryptidsrus- Oh yes, I agree. It’s not a moose in my opinion either. Also, as I explained, I have my doubts that it is even a deer. I also stated on several occasions my impression that this animal seems be sort of casually swimming about, so I also think that whatever it is is not necessarily panicking or struggling. Read my post above and you will see that I said I think the animal is leisurely submerging and coming back up in an apparent controlled manner. That has been my general stance on this footage the whole time. Saying this is a deer and leaving it at that doesn’t answer everything for me either. I think we are in more agreement here than you may think.

However, I do see the importance of looking at this from every angle. So for instance, where I too think that the animal does not seem to be struggling or drowning, I also understand the value in appraising the ways in which I could be wrong. Also, with the shape of the head, whereas I see something not very deer-like, I wonder if there is anyway I am misinterpreting what I am seeing due to conditions, angles of the head, and so on.

I am trying to approach this in a scientific manner, which means picking it apart while questioning my own ideas or assumptions. So far, I am under the impression that what we are seeing is probably not a deer or a moose.

By: tropicalwolf

tropicalwolf — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:57:41 +0000

Respectfully, let us not blanketly discount the “dog theory”….plenty of dogs have “hanging ears” that would not be visible. Credible research demands looking at EVERY possibility before automatically “accepting” the incredible.

By: cryptidsrus

cryptidsrus — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:25:22 +0000

Mystery_man:

I agree that it “could” be a deer. That possiblity seems more remote by the day, though. I’m sorry, the head just does not look “right” for a deer. And I understand that many animals do not “panic” in water—but this whatever-it-is looked like it was having a grand old time out there in the depths!!!

This is NOT a moose. At least admit that. I’m not an expert at this or many aspects of the animal kingdom—such as
“Moose Behavior in Water,” but that shape does not scream out “moose.” Even the expert quoted in the article admitted that. To me, this looks like the “real thing”.

Loren:

Thanks for pointing out the lack of ears of the creature.
Did not notice that. Guess I’m going blind like the rest of us. More “proof” that this is not a deer or moose.
I’m like Watson:
I “see, but do not observe.”
And hope you and Nickell DO get another go at it, so to speak.

By: mystery_man

mystery_man — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:40:26 +0000

Yes, I do not think this is a hoax either. And Loren reminded me. Add lack of ears to my general analysis of the apparent oddness of the creature’s head.

By: Loren Coleman

Loren Coleman — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:16:47 +0000

There are no ears visible on the footage of this animal’s head. Consider the length of this event, as shown on the video. Deer, moose, and dogs do show their ears when swimming, at some point. They are not what seems shown here.

Other animals – otter, beaver, oop seal – are to be pondered.

So too must the unknown option.

I do not sense this is a hoax.

By: Loren Coleman

Loren Coleman — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:48:22 +0000

Media appearances: I will be on the Jeff Rense Show tonight (10-11 pm Eastern) and then on Coast to Coast AM briefly a little after 1:00 am Eastern, mainly to discuss the “Champ video.”