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	<title>Comments on: Ogopogo Tissue Sample?</title>
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		<title>By: Ghost314</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghost314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predict that testing will reveal the tissue is from a photoshopped piece of driftwood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict that testing will reveal the tissue is from a photoshopped piece of driftwood.</p>
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		<title>By: Alligator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alligator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forwarded this story to a Canadian friend up in that neighborhood of BC.  It was news to him.  Evidently other than the small blurb in the Courier, none of the press up there has picked the story up and usually they are good for a couple of Ogopogo stories a year.  ????

Like I said, someone needs to stay on this and find out the &quot;rest of the story&quot; regardless of what it turns out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forwarded this story to a Canadian friend up in that neighborhood of BC.  It was news to him.  Evidently other than the small blurb in the Courier, none of the press up there has picked the story up and usually they are good for a couple of Ogopogo stories a year.  ????</p>
<p>Like I said, someone needs to stay on this and find out the &#8220;rest of the story&#8221; regardless of what it turns out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: lincoln s</title>
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		<dc:creator>lincoln s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bccryptid while that is true but in order to be a carcass a sizable amount of the body would have to be found you  could find a part of an animal let&#039;s say a flipper and a small portion of the tail that doesn&#039;t really qualify in my eyes.in no way am I saying this is what you think I&#039;m just saying you have to a good portion of the body for it to be a carcass</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bccryptid while that is true but in order to be a carcass a sizable amount of the body would have to be found you  could find a part of an animal let&#8217;s say a flipper and a small portion of the tail that doesn&#8217;t really qualify in my eyes.in no way am I saying this is what you think I&#8217;m just saying you have to a good portion of the body for it to be a carcass</p>
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		<title>By: springheeledjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>springheeledjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frustrating is the word...and mostly because we have to wade through so much crap to find the good stuff...between the boneheads who put rubber suits into freezers and the crazies who want their fifteen minutes of fame at the expense of cryptozoology, some days it is enough to beat your head against a wall.

I don&#039;t know Arlene Gaal, never met her, but I&#039;ve read her books and listened to some of her interviews, and she has alway struck me as very savvy and definitely dedicated.

I would guess she is just being very careful and keeping everything in check to make sure the evidence doesn&#039;t get squirreled away somewhere or lost or whatever happens to stuff like that (I have my own theories about that, but we won&#039;t get into that here:).  So, I will sit back with my popcorn, in between movies and trips to Cryptomundo to see what develops...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frustrating is the word&#8230;and mostly because we have to wade through so much crap to find the good stuff&#8230;between the boneheads who put rubber suits into freezers and the crazies who want their fifteen minutes of fame at the expense of cryptozoology, some days it is enough to beat your head against a wall.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Arlene Gaal, never met her, but I&#8217;ve read her books and listened to some of her interviews, and she has alway struck me as very savvy and definitely dedicated.</p>
<p>I would guess she is just being very careful and keeping everything in check to make sure the evidence doesn&#8217;t get squirreled away somewhere or lost or whatever happens to stuff like that (I have my own theories about that, but we won&#8217;t get into that here:).  So, I will sit back with my popcorn, in between movies and trips to Cryptomundo to see what develops&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoInformant 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>CryptoInformant 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;frustrating&quot; is the only consensus we have about cryptozoology. You get a video, look at it... ah, it&#039;s some dude in a bear-suit. You get the P/G film... ah, someone squints really hard and finds a stick. You get a body like this, who knows - maybe it&#039;ll get misplaced!

The point is, schtuff happens. On a regular basis. With alarming frequency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;frustrating&#8221; is the only consensus we have about cryptozoology. You get a video, look at it&#8230; ah, it&#8217;s some dude in a bear-suit. You get the P/G film&#8230; ah, someone squints really hard and finds a stick. You get a body like this, who knows &#8211; maybe it&#8217;ll get misplaced!</p>
<p>The point is, schtuff happens. On a regular basis. With alarming frequency.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alcalde:  the consensus interpretation doesn&#039;t exist (I&#039;ve never heard of anything like a consensus on anything in crypto, which doesn&#039;t help it much).

But all kinds of things happen to evidence.  A not-intended-to-be-exhaustive sample:

1) Stuff goes in for analysis, and no word on whatever happened to it.  Never have figured out what&#039;s going on there.

2) Stuff doesn&#039;t even get collected, because either the witness was totally flabbergasted or because the witness, not being a scientist, thought the video or the sighting was enough.

3) Testing isn&#039;t conclusive.  (Reading about this you find out that hair testing, for example, isn&#039;t the slam-dunk science one would think it was at first glance.)

4) Stuff is lost, mishandled, dropped, left behind, forgotten, etc.

5) A conclusion may - just may - be affected by the researcher&#039;s ability or not to conceive that whatever this is is real.  Yep, scientists are influenced by that just like other folks.  They&#039;re people, with biases and beliefs and stubborn positions and pride and irrationality creeping in at the durndest times just like anyone else.  (One reviewer of the Patterson/Gimlin film said that that had to be a real, unrecognized animal...but naaah, naaah, it just can&#039;t be, I just can&#039;t believe it&#039;s real.)

You get the idea.  One would think that there&#039;d be one success.  Boy, I sure would.  But I&#039;m sure that the general level of incredulity affects the seriousness with which scientists receive evidence, as well as ignorance affects what witnesses do (or don&#039;t do) with it.

It seems to me almost impossible that you couldn&#039;t have several - never mind just one - successes at linking evidence to a cryptid.  Which is why there are only a few in which I would invest any chips (lake monsters not being yet among them), and them only because there are so many consistent eyewitnesses of good character that it just seems very unlikely it&#039;s all being made up.

But frustrating?  Oh yeah.  It&#039; s that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alcalde:  the consensus interpretation doesn&#8217;t exist (I&#8217;ve never heard of anything like a consensus on anything in crypto, which doesn&#8217;t help it much).</p>
<p>But all kinds of things happen to evidence.  A not-intended-to-be-exhaustive sample:</p>
<p>1) Stuff goes in for analysis, and no word on whatever happened to it.  Never have figured out what&#8217;s going on there.</p>
<p>2) Stuff doesn&#8217;t even get collected, because either the witness was totally flabbergasted or because the witness, not being a scientist, thought the video or the sighting was enough.</p>
<p>3) Testing isn&#8217;t conclusive.  (Reading about this you find out that hair testing, for example, isn&#8217;t the slam-dunk science one would think it was at first glance.)</p>
<p>4) Stuff is lost, mishandled, dropped, left behind, forgotten, etc.</p>
<p>5) A conclusion may &#8211; just may &#8211; be affected by the researcher&#8217;s ability or not to conceive that whatever this is is real.  Yep, scientists are influenced by that just like other folks.  They&#8217;re people, with biases and beliefs and stubborn positions and pride and irrationality creeping in at the durndest times just like anyone else.  (One reviewer of the Patterson/Gimlin film said that that had to be a real, unrecognized animal&#8230;but naaah, naaah, it just can&#8217;t be, I just can&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s real.)</p>
<p>You get the idea.  One would think that there&#8217;d be one success.  Boy, I sure would.  But I&#8217;m sure that the general level of incredulity affects the seriousness with which scientists receive evidence, as well as ignorance affects what witnesses do (or don&#8217;t do) with it.</p>
<p>It seems to me almost impossible that you couldn&#8217;t have several &#8211; never mind just one &#8211; successes at linking evidence to a cryptid.  Which is why there are only a few in which I would invest any chips (lake monsters not being yet among them), and them only because there are so many consistent eyewitnesses of good character that it just seems very unlikely it&#8217;s all being made up.</p>
<p>But frustrating?  Oh yeah.  It&#8217; s that.</p>
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		<title>By: alcalde</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;The mishandling of evidence in cryptozoology is legendary.

I admit knowing very little about this subject, but it seems to me that the consensus interpretation is that scientists make the evidence disappear (per DWA&#039;s comments)? Isn&#039;t the opposite interpretation possible as well though? Person makes claim about extraordinary evidence, claims it&#039;s being tested by some place that wants to remain private, finally forced to reveal name, place denies having the item - because it never really did have the evidence in the first place? People who want to believe brand the lab as part of a conspiracy rather than the original claimant as a hoaxer? That&#039;s the classic pattern of fraud in UFOlogy, usually involving bits of metal supposedly incapable of being manufactured on earth or claiming Kodak or someone authenticated a UFO photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;The mishandling of evidence in cryptozoology is legendary.</p>
<p>I admit knowing very little about this subject, but it seems to me that the consensus interpretation is that scientists make the evidence disappear (per DWA&#8217;s comments)? Isn&#8217;t the opposite interpretation possible as well though? Person makes claim about extraordinary evidence, claims it&#8217;s being tested by some place that wants to remain private, finally forced to reveal name, place denies having the item &#8211; because it never really did have the evidence in the first place? People who want to believe brand the lab as part of a conspiracy rather than the original claimant as a hoaxer? That&#8217;s the classic pattern of fraud in UFOlogy, usually involving bits of metal supposedly incapable of being manufactured on earth or claiming Kodak or someone authenticated a UFO photo.</p>
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		<title>By: bccryptid</title>
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		<dc:creator>bccryptid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One comment I&#039;d make is, nobody has yet claimed the carcass recovered was a complete specimen, so any comment on size at this point is useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One comment I&#8217;d make is, nobody has yet claimed the carcass recovered was a complete specimen, so any comment on size at this point is useless.</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoInformant 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>CryptoInformant 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, over-estimation of size probably plays a big part in that - I don&#039;t see any way for a lake environment to support an animal 60 feet long, which was the adult size for Basilosaurus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, over-estimation of size probably plays a big part in that &#8211; I don&#8217;t see any way for a lake environment to support an animal 60 feet long, which was the adult size for Basilosaurus.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alcalde:

Have some &quot;faith&quot; now, will ya??? ;)

Whatever this turns out to be, it IS definitely worth looking into. 

Although I agree with DWA.

The mishandling of evidence in cryptozoology is legendary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alcalde:</p>
<p>Have some &#8220;faith&#8221; now, will ya??? <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Whatever this turns out to be, it IS definitely worth looking into. </p>
<p>Although I agree with DWA.</p>
<p>The mishandling of evidence in cryptozoology is legendary.</p>
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