Comments on: New Wolverine Photos

By: loki_the_great

loki_the_great — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:39:14 +0000

it’s good to see they’re coming back. quick post on the little discussion going on currently:

i am against hunting for sport. (although personally, i’d prefer to see all meat consumption come to an end, but that will never happen) i also dislike trapping for fur or pest control (beavers being a prime candidate) unless several relocate attempts have been made and the animal just keeps coming back. there are idiots and ill-informed in both the hunter and environment groups, i wish people could just see both sides of an issue instead of just instantly claiming the other to be wrong. so ends my little rant, thank you.

By: Samson77

Samson77 — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:58:19 +0000

The great thing about the country we live in is freedom of speech and ideas. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you go back and read the 1st post of this thread, I never attacked hunters in general. I made a comment regarding the idiots who thrill hunt.
chris/claudia took it upon theirselves to stand up for the hunters of the world. The self proclaimed hunters in this thread have shown bitterness and spite for anyone whose ideals differ from theirs. I never said I disagree with your rights. Again, I said thrill/sport hunting is a personal choice with defintive personality traits shared by many who do it. My choice is I am against it, nothing more nothing less. You (DWA and huntress) seem determined to show the non-hunters of the world the error of their ways. Its my choice not to hunt, just as it is your choice to hunt as you wish. Despite our differences, we share a common interest or we would not be here. Peace to you and have a great day.

By: Huntress

Huntress — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:55:02 +0000

Samson77
If you truly do not see the hypocrisy in your statements then I apologize. But please answer my question now. Who does your killing for you?

DWA
I am beginning to see things your way…..Cheers.

Loren
Thank you for indulging this exchange.

By: DWA

DWA — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:58:28 +0000

samson77:

And your posts speak volumes of how wonderful you are, and how awful anyone is who disagrees with you.

It must be a GREAT feeling to have.

Although I’m glad wolverines aren’t like that.

Power, dude, is what it is. (YOU used “lesser,” not me, guy. Hint: they AIN’T lesser.)

By: Samson77

Samson77 — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:10:26 +0000

BTW huntress and dwa, what I am 100% NOT TOLERANT of is killing for sport. This does not make me or anyone else who is against killing for sport ignorant, naive, or otherwise ill-informed.

DWA: your “brag” speaks volumes of your perceived power over the lesser animals of this earth.

By: Samson77

Samson77 — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:56:31 +0000

Huntress:
Why must you sink to insults and name calling?
Because you hunt and kill does that mean you are “not ignorant”
and “not naive”? You seem very defensive towards anyone who does not hold the same values as yourself. Before accusing anyone else of being non-tolerant maybe you should examine yourself. Have a nice day.

By: DWA

DWA — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:04:15 +0000

huntress:

for my money the chief cause of intolerance is ignorance.

Here’s to fixing it.

By: Huntress

Huntress — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:57:28 +0000

DWA
Thank YOU for understanding!
It may be that some are ignorant and naïve but I think the clash here also comes from lack of tolerance toward other’s lifestyles. You don’t have to understand it in order to be tolerant of it. If someone chooses to be a vegetarian or buy meat from the store that’s fine with me even though I may not understand why they want to live that way. I only wish that that others would be as tolerant as you….then maybe we could ALL concentrate on preserving habitat for all the creatures on this planet.

By: DWA

DWA — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:44:55 +0000

huntress:

If you eat, and don’t harvest it yourself, you are getting someone else to kill for you.

The “anti” sentiment as regards hunting tends to the ignorant and naive; and this is coming from a nonhunter.

Whatever you eat, and however, seems you paid for in spades.

Back to wolverines; but thanks for helping them out.

By: Huntress

Huntress — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:04:30 +0000

Samson77
I would be happy to explain it to you.
Many years ago I found a large piece of property for sale. Some of it was being farmed and the rest of it was hills and ravines with standing timber. When I inquired about it I found out that the farmer (who was renting the land) wanted to buy it and clear cut the timber. Long story short I purchased it, continued to rent out the farmable land and hired a forester to make recommendations. In our first meeting I told him that I wanted to create the most diverse habitat that I could out of this property. I have followed his plan to do some select cutting to open some areas for new undergrowth, planted thousands of trees and shrubs for food and cover, dug a pond and turned some of the farmland into permanent food plots with deer, bear and turkeys in mind. Many dead trees have been left standing for woodpeckers and as homes for various small mammals. I am not rich but I have spent thousands of dollars to make this property attractive to ALL wildlife. One neighbor claims to have seen a wolverine near there, another has twice (last summer) seen a mountain lion and two of the best Bigfoot reports in this state were within a few miles of this property….I too hope to see one of these cryptids in the future and hope they will make this land their home.

I am not the exception to the rule either. Many hunters who own land do the same thing. One acre or a thousand, they manage for diversity. Even hunters who do not own property contribute to wildlife habitat as there is a tax on hunting equipment for just that (see the Pittman-Robertson Act). Money from hunting licenses help support the various wildlife agencies who in turn do research like the study that captured the wolverine on the game camera. And speaking of game cameras, it was only a few years ago that these cameras cost hundreds of dollars. The fact that hunters purchased thousands to use them to view deer has brought the price down to where almost anyone can afford one now. Many hunters also contribute to organizations such as Whitetails Unlimited, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Ducks Unlimited, etc. These organizations have a large hand in preserving habitat of all kinds from wetlands to desert.

I don’t know where you developed your aversion to hunters but there is good and bad in every ‘group’ of people. Just because I fill my freezer with game meat doesn’t make me any more of a monster than the guy/gal who shops for meat at the grocery store. Unless you are a true vegetarian (don’t consume flesh of ANY KIND, do not wear leather shoes/belt , etc.) you are getting someone else to kill for you and that makes you a hypocrite.