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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Red_pill_junky- Very interesting cultural info on the water issue and the tlaloques as well. Thanks for sharing that with us, I love learning about new things here on this site. I definitely agree that one has to keep a mind open to the various possibilities, such as the ones you mentioned concerning subterranean caverns, or cenotes, you mentioned. I won&#039;t get too off topic, but I actually am quite interested in the evolutionary processes and behaviors of creatures within these subterranean water tunnels. These indeed could pose many potentially wondrous ecosystems and species. I wouldn&#039;t discount anything you said and think you make valid points that should be considered. Good speculation and an interesting topic here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red_pill_junky- Very interesting cultural info on the water issue and the tlaloques as well. Thanks for sharing that with us, I love learning about new things here on this site. I definitely agree that one has to keep a mind open to the various possibilities, such as the ones you mentioned concerning subterranean caverns, or cenotes, you mentioned. I won&#8217;t get too off topic, but I actually am quite interested in the evolutionary processes and behaviors of creatures within these subterranean water tunnels. These indeed could pose many potentially wondrous ecosystems and species. I wouldn&#8217;t discount anything you said and think you make valid points that should be considered. Good speculation and an interesting topic here!</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan, mistery_man, I understand what you guys are saying, and the need for looking for the simplest of explanations. You&#039;re probably right and I know my conjectures were pretty wild.

 BUT, on the other hand, it is interesting to note that these kinds of beings are not only related to water fountains -and in the case of Yucatán, SUBTERRANEAN water fountains in the form of sacred &lt;i&gt;cenotes&lt;/i&gt;- but the little people are sometimes linked with the precolombine god &lt;i&gt;Tlaloc&lt;/i&gt; (the god of water) an so his minions are called &lt;b&gt;tlaloques&lt;/b&gt;. Have you guys seen a representation of &lt;i&gt;Tlaloc&lt;/i&gt;, or his mayan counterpart &lt;i&gt;Chaac&lt;/i&gt;? They&#039;re ugly as hell and they always put him wearing these big funky &lt;b&gt;eye glasses&lt;/b&gt;, a curvy long nose and even fangs. If a XXIst century human looked at them he would instantly think &quot;vampire&quot; or even &quot;chupacabras&quot;.

And let&#039;s not forget that many (if not most) of the ancient mexican pyramids were built on top of natural subterranean tunnels.

So you have the connection with water and with subterraneam realms too, along with the trickster character of their behavior and the fact that most cultures respect them and are aware that you shouldn&#039;t meddle much with them if you know what&#039;s right for you.

Maybe different enviromental processes could bring about simmilar results as discovered with H. Floresiensis. Maybe an isolation in tunnels systems could develop a small nocturnal new subspecies of small humanoids. Who knows? We do know that inside some &lt;i&gt;cenotes&lt;/i&gt; incredibly diverse new species of insects, bats and blind fish have been found ecosystems rich with noxious gases. People keep visiting those caves despite the danger of those fumes to make their rituals and have a connection with &quot;the other side&quot; (&lt;i&gt;Xibalbá&lt;/i&gt;)

Or maybe the explanation is more complicated than that :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, mistery_man, I understand what you guys are saying, and the need for looking for the simplest of explanations. You&#8217;re probably right and I know my conjectures were pretty wild.</p>
<p> BUT, on the other hand, it is interesting to note that these kinds of beings are not only related to water fountains -and in the case of Yucatán, SUBTERRANEAN water fountains in the form of sacred <i>cenotes</i>- but the little people are sometimes linked with the precolombine god <i>Tlaloc</i> (the god of water) an so his minions are called <b>tlaloques</b>. Have you guys seen a representation of <i>Tlaloc</i>, or his mayan counterpart <i>Chaac</i>? They&#8217;re ugly as hell and they always put him wearing these big funky <b>eye glasses</b>, a curvy long nose and even fangs. If a XXIst century human looked at them he would instantly think &#8220;vampire&#8221; or even &#8220;chupacabras&#8221;.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget that many (if not most) of the ancient mexican pyramids were built on top of natural subterranean tunnels.</p>
<p>So you have the connection with water and with subterraneam realms too, along with the trickster character of their behavior and the fact that most cultures respect them and are aware that you shouldn&#8217;t meddle much with them if you know what&#8217;s right for you.</p>
<p>Maybe different enviromental processes could bring about simmilar results as discovered with H. Floresiensis. Maybe an isolation in tunnels systems could develop a small nocturnal new subspecies of small humanoids. Who knows? We do know that inside some <i>cenotes</i> incredibly diverse new species of insects, bats and blind fish have been found ecosystems rich with noxious gases. People keep visiting those caves despite the danger of those fumes to make their rituals and have a connection with &#8220;the other side&#8221; (<i>Xibalbá</i>)</p>
<p>Or maybe the explanation is more complicated than that <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The water connection is an interesting insight, but it&#039;s possible there could be a very practical and less than supernatural reason for it. Humans generally tend to live near water sources, in the case of a remote town like this near rives or lakes, so that is where these creatures might be more likely to be spotted simply because that is where more people would be to see them. Also, as Dan Gannon said, water is essential to life and if one wants to see a good array of wildlife (in Africa, for example), one has only to hunker down by a water hole and wait for the animals to come. Proximity to humans and a tendency for animals to congregate to water out of necessity could both contribute to a greater likelihood of these elusive creatures being sighted near water. Any connections made thereon between the creatures and any sort of supernatural affiliation with water could then be merely a product of human interpretation and folklore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The water connection is an interesting insight, but it&#8217;s possible there could be a very practical and less than supernatural reason for it. Humans generally tend to live near water sources, in the case of a remote town like this near rives or lakes, so that is where these creatures might be more likely to be spotted simply because that is where more people would be to see them. Also, as Dan Gannon said, water is essential to life and if one wants to see a good array of wildlife (in Africa, for example), one has only to hunker down by a water hole and wait for the animals to come. Proximity to humans and a tendency for animals to congregate to water out of necessity could both contribute to a greater likelihood of these elusive creatures being sighted near water. Any connections made thereon between the creatures and any sort of supernatural affiliation with water could then be merely a product of human interpretation and folklore.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know about alleged supernatural aspects, but it seems that many &quot;little people&quot; legends around the world are associated with water in some way. Of course, water is important to life in general.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about alleged supernatural aspects, but it seems that many &#8220;little people&#8221; legends around the world are associated with water in some way. Of course, water is important to life in general.</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the &lt;i&gt;náhuatl&lt;/i&gt; tradition (náhuatl was the universal language for the cultures that established themselves in central Mexico, like the aztecs) the &lt;i&gt;alux&lt;/i&gt; counterpart would be the &lt;b&gt;chaneque&lt;/b&gt;, a playful trickster that inhabits the forests and takes care of rivers and water springs.

A strong correlation with water in all these traditions; can water facilitate the passage of beings between different &quot;realities&quot;? Pure speculation I know... but still...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the <i>náhuatl</i> tradition (náhuatl was the universal language for the cultures that established themselves in central Mexico, like the aztecs) the <i>alux</i> counterpart would be the <b>chaneque</b>, a playful trickster that inhabits the forests and takes care of rivers and water springs.</p>
<p>A strong correlation with water in all these traditions; can water facilitate the passage of beings between different &#8220;realities&#8221;? Pure speculation I know&#8230; but still&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From what I can tell, the Maya word &quot;Alux&quot; is usually translated to &quot;Duende&quot; in Spanish.  At least, in Mexico.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I can tell, the Maya word &#8220;Alux&#8221; is usually translated to &#8220;Duende&#8221; in Spanish.  At least, in Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: rl_esteves</title>
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		<dc:creator>rl_esteves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds similar to a good friend of mine from rural  honduras&#039; eyewitness description of a Duende.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds similar to a good friend of mine from rural  honduras&#8217; eyewitness description of a Duende.</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An Alux sighting in Yucatán! &lt;i&gt;Mare Ninio!&lt;/i&gt;

Hey Dan, how many glasses of &lt;b&gt;Xtabentún&lt;/b&gt; did you have that day?

:-) Just kidding, I&#039;m certain you&#039;re a giving a thorough and veridic account of what you glimpsed.

I had never thought of the Aluxob as a proto-pigmy; I always envisioned them under the same class as all the tryckster-type little people that are accounted in many cultures around the world, maybe inspired by contacts with aliens (yeah I know, but since in many accounts they are told to be able to fly and they were fond of kidnapping women, well... they seem more related with modern abduction lore to me).

In mayan legends, there&#039;s of course the case of &quot;La Pirámide del Enano&quot; (The pyramid of the midget, also called the pyramid of the fortune-teller), because legend has it that the structure was built in a single day by a little man born of an egg (see what I mean?)

http://mx.geocities.com/marioluis_llano/fotos/fotos1/uxmal2.html

Who knows? maybe these beings live in the subterranean tunnels of the &lt;i&gt;cenotes&lt;/i&gt;, since the maya had a strong belief in the deities of the Underworld (the ancient ball-game stadiums were symbolic representations of the entrance to the Underworld, where the twin heroes  Hunahpú &amp; Ixbalanqué entered to defeat the Lords of Xibalbá).

Or maybe the answer is far more strange...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Alux sighting in Yucatán! <i>Mare Ninio!</i></p>
<p>Hey Dan, how many glasses of <b>Xtabentún</b> did you have that day?<br />
 <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Just kidding, I&#8217;m certain you&#8217;re a giving a thorough and veridic account of what you glimpsed.</p>
<p>I had never thought of the Aluxob as a proto-pigmy; I always envisioned them under the same class as all the tryckster-type little people that are accounted in many cultures around the world, maybe inspired by contacts with aliens (yeah I know, but since in many accounts they are told to be able to fly and they were fond of kidnapping women, well&#8230; they seem more related with modern abduction lore to me).</p>
<p>In mayan legends, there&#8217;s of course the case of &#8220;La Pirámide del Enano&#8221; (The pyramid of the midget, also called the pyramid of the fortune-teller), because legend has it that the structure was built in a single day by a little man born of an egg (see what I mean?)</p>
<p><a href="http://mx.geocities.com/marioluis_llano/fotos/fotos1/uxmal2.html" rel="nofollow">http://mx.geocities.com/marioluis_llano/fotos/fotos1/uxmal2.html</a></p>
<p>Who knows? maybe these beings live in the subterranean tunnels of the <i>cenotes</i>, since the maya had a strong belief in the deities of the Underworld (the ancient ball-game stadiums were symbolic representations of the entrance to the Underworld, where the twin heroes  Hunahpú &amp; Ixbalanqué entered to defeat the Lords of Xibalbá).</p>
<p>Or maybe the answer is far more strange&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the potential invasive species problem, Elsa and I will communicate with the government down there, about the issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the potential invasive species problem, Elsa and I will communicate with the government down there, about the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using online tools to calculate sunset time, based on date, longitute, latitude, and time zone, I&#039;ve just ascertained (assuming I did this correctly) that sunset reportedly occurred at 5:28 PM, and &quot;end civil twilight&quot; occurred at 5:52 PM, (local time, GMT -6.)  So the sighting occurred 3 hours and 3 minutes after end of twilight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using online tools to calculate sunset time, based on date, longitute, latitude, and time zone, I&#8217;ve just ascertained (assuming I did this correctly) that sunset reportedly occurred at 5:28 PM, and &#8220;end civil twilight&#8221; occurred at 5:52 PM, (local time, GMT -6.)  So the sighting occurred 3 hours and 3 minutes after end of twilight.</p>
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