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	<title>Comments on: CryptoGadget News: Nessie Expedition Planned</title>
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		<title>By: Megatherium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megatherium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person who deals with technology on a daily basis I understand completely where Mr. Holmes is coming from when he mentions the potential problems with cutting edge science – i.e. the technology he plans to use in search of Nessie.  Heck, there’s a reason that the “Murphy’s Law” books (“If anything can go wrong, it will…”)  proliferated in the 80s – the dawn of modern technology.  Cutting edge or not, technology in general can be rife with issues and knowing whether or not you are going to be able to integrate pieces from two or more different camps can be a missed shoot as well – not to mention the complexity of doing so within the murky depths and otherwise harsh environment of Loch Ness.  Whether Mr. Holmes comment was one of admission of ignorance or one of experience doesn’t really matter.  The fact still stands that the best laid plans of mice and men are still often at the mercy of whether or not HAL decides to perform on cue.

For something as potentially as big as Nessie?   The creature may not give a darn about noises from a radio controlled boat so who knows - Mr. Holmes could get lucky and get the &lt;em&gt;Video of the Century&lt;/em&gt;.   The fact is most if not all suppositions on why Nessie does whatever are just that – suppositions – so why let that guesswork get in the way of discovery?   Personally,  I envy the gent for having the opportunity to make such an attempt and wish him the best of luck in his endeavors.  Lord knows, when he flicks the switches on his new (or old) fangled contraptions, he’s going to need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person who deals with technology on a daily basis I understand completely where Mr. Holmes is coming from when he mentions the potential problems with cutting edge science – i.e. the technology he plans to use in search of Nessie.  Heck, there’s a reason that the “Murphy’s Law” books (“If anything can go wrong, it will…”)  proliferated in the 80s – the dawn of modern technology.  Cutting edge or not, technology in general can be rife with issues and knowing whether or not you are going to be able to integrate pieces from two or more different camps can be a missed shoot as well – not to mention the complexity of doing so within the murky depths and otherwise harsh environment of Loch Ness.  Whether Mr. Holmes comment was one of admission of ignorance or one of experience doesn’t really matter.  The fact still stands that the best laid plans of mice and men are still often at the mercy of whether or not HAL decides to perform on cue.</p>
<p>For something as potentially as big as Nessie?   The creature may not give a darn about noises from a radio controlled boat so who knows &#8211; Mr. Holmes could get lucky and get the <em>Video of the Century</em>.   The fact is most if not all suppositions on why Nessie does whatever are just that – suppositions – so why let that guesswork get in the way of discovery?   Personally,  I envy the gent for having the opportunity to make such an attempt and wish him the best of luck in his endeavors.  Lord knows, when he flicks the switches on his new (or old) fangled contraptions, he’s going to need it.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>cryptidsrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, good article...Good discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, good article&#8230;Good discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>cryptidsrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Strings:

Welcome, Sir!!!

DOGU4:

I would second what you are saying although I would also submit to you that ANOTHER reason the media is &quot;confrontational&quot; is the fact that, at least in cases like these where there is &quot;maybe/maybe not&quot; aspect to the subject they&#039;re covering, they DO NOT want to be seen as being &quot;biased.&quot; (We&#039;ll leave out FOX NEWS for a moment, OK?). In cases like this or paranormal, UFO-related, or just plain out-of-this-world bizarre, the major Networks and Cable News Shows would have skeptics, scientists, cynics and debunkers all over their tails screaming &quot;You&#039;re biased! You&#039;re pushing nonsense on the public&quot; if they were to (let&#039;s say) have Loren Coleman or Craig Woolheater on exclusively. Nobody likes to be accused of only favoring one point-of-view over another (again, FOX NEWS is an exception). So they make sure the skeptic side is shown. If they happen to be confrontational, well, that&#039;s ratings...

As a caveat, I would say CNN, MSNBC, and other networks are ALSO biased in one way or another towards certain points of view, just NOT as pronounced as FOX NEWS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Strings:</p>
<p>Welcome, Sir!!!</p>
<p>DOGU4:</p>
<p>I would second what you are saying although I would also submit to you that ANOTHER reason the media is &#8220;confrontational&#8221; is the fact that, at least in cases like these where there is &#8220;maybe/maybe not&#8221; aspect to the subject they&#8217;re covering, they DO NOT want to be seen as being &#8220;biased.&#8221; (We&#8217;ll leave out FOX NEWS for a moment, OK?). In cases like this or paranormal, UFO-related, or just plain out-of-this-world bizarre, the major Networks and Cable News Shows would have skeptics, scientists, cynics and debunkers all over their tails screaming &#8220;You&#8217;re biased! You&#8217;re pushing nonsense on the public&#8221; if they were to (let&#8217;s say) have Loren Coleman or Craig Woolheater on exclusively. Nobody likes to be accused of only favoring one point-of-view over another (again, FOX NEWS is an exception). So they make sure the skeptic side is shown. If they happen to be confrontational, well, that&#8217;s ratings&#8230;</p>
<p>As a caveat, I would say CNN, MSNBC, and other networks are ALSO biased in one way or another towards certain points of view, just NOT as pronounced as FOX NEWS.</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Strings makes a pertinent observation regarding the media manipulation of stories in order to stress the tension. It&#039;s tension that we watch, not the news, per se. Selling the sizzle..and it&#039;s all about selling, in contrast to what broadcast journalism used to be; a public service in exchange for a lucrative license to sell advertising on the public&#039;s airwaves. Now &quot;news&quot; is a profit center so don&#039;t expect there to be news to cover unless it also creates the tension to draw in the viewer which is what the advertisers want.

As for the Loch Ness Monster. Even if he gets another picture, the mystery will remain. As long as they keep looking for something that can&#039;t be there, such as a giant reptile or mammal, I suppose they&#039;re bound to fail, I&#039;m afraid. Better to do a truely comprehensive study of the lake&#039;s muddy bottom with an eye towards signs of a creature that needs only a rare and occasional feeding, has indeterminate growth, and is inactive for most of its life as it waits for food to sink, decay and trigger appropriate responses. I do like little remote control thingees, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Strings makes a pertinent observation regarding the media manipulation of stories in order to stress the tension. It&#8217;s tension that we watch, not the news, per se. Selling the sizzle..and it&#8217;s all about selling, in contrast to what broadcast journalism used to be; a public service in exchange for a lucrative license to sell advertising on the public&#8217;s airwaves. Now &#8220;news&#8221; is a profit center so don&#8217;t expect there to be news to cover unless it also creates the tension to draw in the viewer which is what the advertisers want.</p>
<p>As for the Loch Ness Monster. Even if he gets another picture, the mystery will remain. As long as they keep looking for something that can&#8217;t be there, such as a giant reptile or mammal, I suppose they&#8217;re bound to fail, I&#8217;m afraid. Better to do a truely comprehensive study of the lake&#8217;s muddy bottom with an eye towards signs of a creature that needs only a rare and occasional feeding, has indeterminate growth, and is inactive for most of its life as it waits for food to sink, decay and trigger appropriate responses. I do like little remote control thingees, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Surgeon&#039;s Photo, of course, the designers and publishers of my field guide could hold a belief that this is a real photograph of a Lake Monster.  Considering the evidence pro and con that actually exists about the two photos, their thoughts could be as valid as mine that the more well-known of the two shows a diving otter or a diving seal or a water bird.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Surgeon&#8217;s Photo, of course, the designers and publishers of my field guide could hold a belief that this is a real photograph of a Lake Monster.  Considering the evidence pro and con that actually exists about the two photos, their thoughts could be as valid as mine that the more well-known of the two shows a diving otter or a diving seal or a water bird.<br />
 <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jerrywayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerrywayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind host,

Your suggestion about assumptions is valid, although we all bring assumptions to the table unwittingly. For instance, you assumed my question implied the cover design was endorsed by you and your co-author. Let me make the following assumptions: the cover editors for the Field Guide did not read your book, or the book&#039;s text did not identify the &quot;surgeon&#039;s photo&quot; as a diving otter, or the cover editors ignored the text and designed what they thought would sell best. In any event, I&#039;m otterly concerned why a book about &quot;lake monsters&quot; by advocates would have a diving otter on its cover (even if beyond the control of its authors).

And I&#039;m curious. What is the current status of the Holmes film in crypto circles? It seems that it has been discounted somewhat at Cryptomundo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind host,</p>
<p>Your suggestion about assumptions is valid, although we all bring assumptions to the table unwittingly. For instance, you assumed my question implied the cover design was endorsed by you and your co-author. Let me make the following assumptions: the cover editors for the Field Guide did not read your book, or the book&#8217;s text did not identify the &#8220;surgeon&#8217;s photo&#8221; as a diving otter, or the cover editors ignored the text and designed what they thought would sell best. In any event, I&#8217;m otterly concerned why a book about &#8220;lake monsters&#8221; by advocates would have a diving otter on its cover (even if beyond the control of its authors).</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m curious. What is the current status of the Holmes film in crypto circles? It seems that it has been discounted somewhat at Cryptomundo.</p>
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		<title>By: CryptoGoji</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find interesting is that the techno gear is out there for an individual to sweep the entirety of the Loch by ones self.... For a price.  Some of the gear as far as digital cameras and camcorders out there is by far better than we had even a year ago.  HD cameras with millions of pixels in resolution and up to 50x optical zoom lenses would make filming a bird on top of the Sears tower grand by comparison from what we have seen thus far.  Now this also leads to the use of digital tools like Photo Shop and others that allow manipulation of the image to look like what ever the photographer would want us to see.  So what I don&#039;t understand is how he says this &quot;cutting edge&quot; gear would not perform when operated right, even under the worst of conditions that might be out on the loch.  With water proof camera housing, digital and optical stabilizers out there on all but the cheapest of cameras now, remote control on camcorders and cameras,  getting a poor result is either bad luck or bad timing, but really not because of the gear in most respects.  But then again, anything built of human hands is bound by Murphy&#039;s Law at the most inopportune time.  The best bet would be to use active sonar to drive Nessie out of the loch the way California is saying the military is doing to whales off the coast.  Perhaps then we would get proof of what Nessie is or isn&#039;t, that is if it uses sonar to find its way in the loch.
On a side note, I agree with red_pill_junkie, perhaps we should just scourer the loch with sail boats and sonar just once or twice to see if anything would be willing to play with out all that noise generated by a 250 or more hp outboard motor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find interesting is that the techno gear is out there for an individual to sweep the entirety of the Loch by ones self&#8230;. For a price.  Some of the gear as far as digital cameras and camcorders out there is by far better than we had even a year ago.  HD cameras with millions of pixels in resolution and up to 50x optical zoom lenses would make filming a bird on top of the Sears tower grand by comparison from what we have seen thus far.  Now this also leads to the use of digital tools like Photo Shop and others that allow manipulation of the image to look like what ever the photographer would want us to see.  So what I don&#8217;t understand is how he says this &#8220;cutting edge&#8221; gear would not perform when operated right, even under the worst of conditions that might be out on the loch.  With water proof camera housing, digital and optical stabilizers out there on all but the cheapest of cameras now, remote control on camcorders and cameras,  getting a poor result is either bad luck or bad timing, but really not because of the gear in most respects.  But then again, anything built of human hands is bound by Murphy&#8217;s Law at the most inopportune time.  The best bet would be to use active sonar to drive Nessie out of the loch the way California is saying the military is doing to whales off the coast.  Perhaps then we would get proof of what Nessie is or isn&#8217;t, that is if it uses sonar to find its way in the loch.<br />
On a side note, I agree with red_pill_junkie, perhaps we should just scourer the loch with sail boats and sonar just once or twice to see if anything would be willing to play with out all that noise generated by a 250 or more hp outboard motor.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Strings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Strings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi folks,

I&#039;m new here, and would like to say hello to everyone. This seems like an enjoyable and informative site, and a great place to discuss cryptozoology. Nice to be here.

I must say I fall on the side of those who view this video as yet another ambiguous piece of evidence on the existence of Nessie. I can&#039;t really see much in the video that I find compelling; it is small, shaky, and grainy, and I couldn&#039;t see an example of a neck rising out of the water. To my eyes, it doesn&#039;t show much more that a small unidentified creature swimming in the loch, which also allows one who is inclined to believe it is Nessie to do so, as there can be no clear identification of what type of animal it is from the film alone. I want to believe as much as anyone, but I need infallible evidence before I can say a monster or unknown animal exists in the loch, or anywhere else for that matter.

It&#039;s good to know that Mr. Holmes is making another effort to find evidence of Nessie with a potentially better method, but his disclaimer is disheartening. I think darkshines nailed it on the head; Mr. Holmes saying that the gear is not guaranteed to work at the crucial moment does set the expedition up with wide latitude, allowing him to present any grainy, fuzzy, or blurry image of anything or nothing in the loch as proof of a monster.

To Mr. Coleman, I&#039;d like to say it&#039;s nice to see you posting here. I can see why CNN would not reveal that Joe Nickell would appear on the program with you; the theme of confrontation seems to be pervasive in modern media, and what better way to create genuine confrontation than to have somebody with a dissenting view of the video waiting in the shadows for you? They&#039;re more concerned about ratings that uncovering the truth about a mystery such as Nessie. I can also see why your publisher would use the &quot;Surgeon&#039;s Photo&quot; image of Nessie; hoax or not, it is the most iconic and recognizable image of a lake monster across the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m new here, and would like to say hello to everyone. This seems like an enjoyable and informative site, and a great place to discuss cryptozoology. Nice to be here.</p>
<p>I must say I fall on the side of those who view this video as yet another ambiguous piece of evidence on the existence of Nessie. I can&#8217;t really see much in the video that I find compelling; it is small, shaky, and grainy, and I couldn&#8217;t see an example of a neck rising out of the water. To my eyes, it doesn&#8217;t show much more that a small unidentified creature swimming in the loch, which also allows one who is inclined to believe it is Nessie to do so, as there can be no clear identification of what type of animal it is from the film alone. I want to believe as much as anyone, but I need infallible evidence before I can say a monster or unknown animal exists in the loch, or anywhere else for that matter.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to know that Mr. Holmes is making another effort to find evidence of Nessie with a potentially better method, but his disclaimer is disheartening. I think darkshines nailed it on the head; Mr. Holmes saying that the gear is not guaranteed to work at the crucial moment does set the expedition up with wide latitude, allowing him to present any grainy, fuzzy, or blurry image of anything or nothing in the loch as proof of a monster.</p>
<p>To Mr. Coleman, I&#8217;d like to say it&#8217;s nice to see you posting here. I can see why CNN would not reveal that Joe Nickell would appear on the program with you; the theme of confrontation seems to be pervasive in modern media, and what better way to create genuine confrontation than to have somebody with a dissenting view of the video waiting in the shadows for you? They&#8217;re more concerned about ratings that uncovering the truth about a mystery such as Nessie. I can also see why your publisher would use the &#8220;Surgeon&#8217;s Photo&#8221; image of Nessie; hoax or not, it is the most iconic and recognizable image of a lake monster across the world.</p>
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		<title>By: darkshines</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As you will appreciate, this is cutting edge science so there is no guarantee the gear will operate when required.&quot;- this quote screams to me &quot;even if we film a blurry sturgeon, a piece of weed, or several otters, we will still claim its the monster. Failing that, we may get a 3 nanosecond clip of a flipper and blow it out of proportion&quot;.

Not getting my hopes up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As you will appreciate, this is cutting edge science so there is no guarantee the gear will operate when required.&#8221;- this quote screams to me &#8220;even if we film a blurry sturgeon, a piece of weed, or several otters, we will still claim its the monster. Failing that, we may get a 3 nanosecond clip of a flipper and blow it out of proportion&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not getting my hopes up.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. &quot;Consulting&quot;?  Informing, showing after the fact, discussing, mentioning, and several other words come to mind in an author&#039;s relationship with a mainstream publisher and their designers (whom you never met or can talk to), but &lt;em&gt;consulting&lt;/em&gt; is not one of those words.

Do you think CNN told me that Joe Nickell was going to be on this program before I went on?

The realities of life for an author seem to be much different than the conventional wisdom, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. &#8220;Consulting&#8221;?  Informing, showing after the fact, discussing, mentioning, and several other words come to mind in an author&#8217;s relationship with a mainstream publisher and their designers (whom you never met or can talk to), but <em>consulting</em> is not one of those words.</p>
<p>Do you think CNN told me that Joe Nickell was going to be on this program before I went on?</p>
<p>The realities of life for an author seem to be much different than the conventional wisdom, I guess.</p>
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