Plenty of head/neck accounts (and no eels do not rise up out of the water to such heights…even the big mutant kinds that have been attributed to Loch Ness AND have also never been seen—you can’t sell giant eels, especially when they have not been seen or caught).

And thanks Loren for chiming in on the Dinsdale footage…no it was not ever proven as a boat…oh there were a couple of guys that did an experiment with a boat and a camera in roughly the same location, but it did not prove that the footage was of a boat.

I think Nessie was the jumping off point into Cryptozoology for many of us…I know it was me. It opened the door for cryptozoology when I was a kid, and Loch Ness and Bigfoot both (and the yeti) were the flagships of cryptids back then!

Doesn’t mean Nessie isn’t out there, it just means that Nessie’s hay-day has taken a back seat to new cryptids and resurgences of older ones.

There are still new sightings on the Loch every year, though as I said, they do not get much air play these days.

Adrian Shine is an interesting guy and he has done as much research on the Loch as anyone else I can think of.

SHJ

I stand partially corrected. Saying tin toys were not in use in the 30’s was way off (trying to make a point) I myself recently had a Toonerville Trolly toy from the 20’s a great tin windup. My point should back been better stated in that there were few water toys. All were surface sitting windups. The only Submarine I know of is one by Ives in the late 20’s probably still available in the 30’s. Again a keywind with a propellor that would allow in water and in time sink but not stay just below the surface.

Plastics were not in use in commercial toys in the early part of the century. Celluloids were used in the 30’s and 40’s for thin skinned extremely fragile items like football players on a stick or betty boop dolls. Certainly not in any type of vehicle toy. Plastics as we know it wasn’t even used in soldiers etc till the 40’s. It was cheaper and easier to make most toy (vehicle) from metal till mid century. As I remember the death bed confession stated a plastic sub. Plastic pieces weren’t even used in board games at this time, they were mostly wood.

The point I was trying to make is that we cant believe everything we see on these TV clips or the Mockumentaries that are popular at this time. The current inexhaustible supply of books and magazines are filled with misinformation all slanted in the direction of the writer. What I am saying is take the time and dig below the surface. Ask the people like Loren, Craig etc.that have done the time looking into these things. Hear all sides.

Thanks

Also, he was ‘plugging’ Scotland because he has spent so much time there and loves it, I also love Scotland despite coming from London myself and I make a point of visiting as often as possible, I also make a point of telling people to go there and learn about the country as it’s a very inspiring landscape with a great deal of culture and mystery. I remember being at the loch at the time of filming one of the loch ness quests though unfortunately didn’t get to meet him or any of the rest of the team.

Let’s hope next time there is an interview like this, that it’s conducted by mature adults so that genuine questions and answers get shared instead of their playground nonsense.

Plastics were being used for toys in the first decade of the 20th century. Tin mechanical toys were popular for many years before that. And if you watch the PBS show Antique Roadshow, these early tin moving toys are very valuable. But the seldom seen photos (I found them in only one book years ago) show that if it had been a tin submarine with a head/neck mounted on it, the angle of the dive would have exposed the back end of the toy as the neck and head moved forword and down.

There was a history channel (I think) program about 10 years ago, that showed enhansement of one of the frames. And that showed a body that curved around under itself. Imagine a submarine on the surface in clear water, where the subs hull showed the circular shape of the sub

By the way, has anyone else heard that the famous Nessie photo is in fact a circus elephant taking a bath. Could be an elephant’s trunk but I guess that is a long shot as well.