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		<title>By: raisinsofwrath</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mystery-ape-pix/#comment-50767</link>
		<dc:creator>raisinsofwrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh yes, Bradford, PA, the place I grew up and just got back from. I had been visiting my family over Christmas there but didn't see anything in the local paper (The Bradford Era) nor do I know the Morgan family even though the entire area has maybe 8,000 people soaking wet and of course everyone knows everyone else's business.

As another poster mentioned, the "mangy bear" photo was taken just outside of Bradford in the Allegheny National forest. Bradford is surrounded by forestland and has no major city within 90 miles. Growing up there I've witnessed many a strange anomaly in those woods from seeing a Black Panther to being stalked by a pack of feral dogs. Bradfordians spend a great deal of time in the woods hunting and fishing. More and more of the residents are now carrying digital cameras into the woods these days and I wouldn't be surprised to see future photo's coming from the area. In other words, when you live in Bradford, there's no need to get your Sassy pics in Florida.

I'll ask my family who this Morgan clan is and possibly can talk to the individual in question. (the guy, not the monkey)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh yes, Bradford, PA, the place I grew up and just got back from. I had been visiting my family over Christmas there but didn&#8217;t see anything in the local paper (The Bradford Era) nor do I know the Morgan family even though the entire area has maybe 8,000 people soaking wet and of course everyone knows everyone else&#8217;s business.</p>
<p>As another poster mentioned, the &#8220;mangy bear&#8221; photo was taken just outside of Bradford in the Allegheny National forest. Bradford is surrounded by forestland and has no major city within 90 miles. Growing up there I&#8217;ve witnessed many a strange anomaly in those woods from seeing a Black Panther to being stalked by a pack of feral dogs. Bradfordians spend a great deal of time in the woods hunting and fishing. More and more of the residents are now carrying digital cameras into the woods these days and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see future photo&#8217;s coming from the area. In other words, when you live in Bradford, there&#8217;s no need to get your Sassy pics in Florida.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll ask my family who this Morgan clan is and possibly can talk to the individual in question. (the guy, not the monkey)</p>
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		<title>By: MikeRochip</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is much more proof and a variety of &lt;a href="http://www.bigfoot.stenbakken.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;other photos&lt;/a&gt; from the guy who took the winning photo. 


Evidently this intrepid bigfoot researcher has spent a great deal of time finding and photographing bigfoot in places like downtown Fort Collins, Colorado.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is much more proof and a variety of <a href="http://www.bigfoot.stenbakken.com" rel="nofollow">other photos</a> from the guy who took the winning photo. </p>
<p>Evidently this intrepid bigfoot researcher has spent a great deal of time finding and photographing bigfoot in places like downtown Fort Collins, Colorado.</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great comments mystery_man &#38; dogu4. Indeed, new surveillance technologies will allow us to explore the uncharted underwater coastal regions of the world, and help piece together an often overlooked part of our distant past: our link with the Sea, the primordial giver of life :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great comments mystery_man &amp; dogu4. Indeed, new surveillance technologies will allow us to explore the uncharted underwater coastal regions of the world, and help piece together an often overlooked part of our distant past: our link with the Sea, the primordial giver of life <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mystery-ape-pix/#comment-50721</link>
		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are some good points regarding epigenetics, evolution, social pressure and their inter-relatedness. One aspect of the pic that Red-pill-junkie touches upon is tangetially related to the Aquatic Ape Theory and while I don't see a lot of weight in how it's been positioned, it has always been something about human evolutionary past that's puzzled and fascinated me. Really, our perfect natural habitat certainly seems to be more adequately described as one suited for the intertidal zones and estauaries of the sub-tropical oceanic coastlines; water, abundance of high protien and high fat foods...even our teeth seem better suited to crushing mollusks and crustaceans. That fossil ancestors are found in areas that were once savannah sometimes overlooks that the rift was rich in lake environements too and that the modern environments of semi arid and highly eroded landscapes in East Africa are great for fossil finding, as are caves in Europe and so an element of preferred site selection is existing. It may not be a true reflection of our actual ancestral habitat....coastal regions from that period are now largely underwater or subjected to the energy of wave action...not good for preservation or discovery. 
And about those iPods...an excellent reason for opposable thumbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are some good points regarding epigenetics, evolution, social pressure and their inter-relatedness. One aspect of the pic that Red-pill-junkie touches upon is tangetially related to the Aquatic Ape Theory and while I don&#8217;t see a lot of weight in how it&#8217;s been positioned, it has always been something about human evolutionary past that&#8217;s puzzled and fascinated me. Really, our perfect natural habitat certainly seems to be more adequately described as one suited for the intertidal zones and estauaries of the sub-tropical oceanic coastlines; water, abundance of high protien and high fat foods&#8230;even our teeth seem better suited to crushing mollusks and crustaceans. That fossil ancestors are found in areas that were once savannah sometimes overlooks that the rift was rich in lake environements too and that the modern environments of semi arid and highly eroded landscapes in East Africa are great for fossil finding, as are caves in Europe and so an element of preferred site selection is existing. It may not be a true reflection of our actual ancestral habitat&#8230;.coastal regions from that period are now largely underwater or subjected to the energy of wave action&#8230;not good for preservation or discovery.<br />
And about those iPods&#8230;an excellent reason for opposable thumbs.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>red_pill_junky- Sorry about the stream of comments, but I just read again what you said earlier about wading being a factor that contributed to the development of bipedalism in humans. 

It's interesting you said that because I don't know if you are aware of it or not, but the "Wading hypothesis" of human bipedal evolution, which has gained momentum in recent years, proposes just that. Large apes such as the bonobos we've been talking about here wade in a bipedal manner. It affords good advantages. By standing, they can not only keep their heads above water but they can also keep an eye out for predators during this relatively vulnerable (for a terrestrial animal) moment. This hypothesis has been proposed as a model for the development of bipedalism in humans as well. There has been some interesting evidence to support the hypothesis, for example fossil remains of a very human-like pelvis in a prehistoric swamp dwelling ape that was unrelated to humans.

So perhaps early humans did develop a strong tendency towards bipedalism through wading, which in turn proved to be a useful advantage in other areas such as tool use or gathering fruits from trees. If the environment made this a desirable trait towards survival, then perhaps as you said early humans made a conscious effort to develop the ability. This, in concert with natural selection towards physical traits that favored bipedalism (foot structure, pelvis structure, spinal alignment, etc), could have made bipedalism in humans what it is today. There was likely a certain extent of sexual selection as well, in the form of females mating more often with the men who were most able to display long bouts of bipedalism.

So your speculating on wading being a factor in human bipedalism is quite possibly not too far off the mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>red_pill_junky- Sorry about the stream of comments, but I just read again what you said earlier about wading being a factor that contributed to the development of bipedalism in humans. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting you said that because I don&#8217;t know if you are aware of it or not, but the &#8220;Wading hypothesis&#8221; of human bipedal evolution, which has gained momentum in recent years, proposes just that. Large apes such as the bonobos we&#8217;ve been talking about here wade in a bipedal manner. It affords good advantages. By standing, they can not only keep their heads above water but they can also keep an eye out for predators during this relatively vulnerable (for a terrestrial animal) moment. This hypothesis has been proposed as a model for the development of bipedalism in humans as well. There has been some interesting evidence to support the hypothesis, for example fossil remains of a very human-like pelvis in a prehistoric swamp dwelling ape that was unrelated to humans.</p>
<p>So perhaps early humans did develop a strong tendency towards bipedalism through wading, which in turn proved to be a useful advantage in other areas such as tool use or gathering fruits from trees. If the environment made this a desirable trait towards survival, then perhaps as you said early humans made a conscious effort to develop the ability. This, in concert with natural selection towards physical traits that favored bipedalism (foot structure, pelvis structure, spinal alignment, etc), could have made bipedalism in humans what it is today. There was likely a certain extent of sexual selection as well, in the form of females mating more often with the men who were most able to display long bouts of bipedalism.</p>
<p>So your speculating on wading being a factor in human bipedalism is quite possibly not too far off the mark.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>red_pill_junky- Of course that is at out state of evolution &lt;em&gt;now&lt;/em&gt;. Early on, when our ancestors first started developing the trait, bipedalism could very well have come about through environmental pressures of evolution in conjunction with early humans' concerted effort to help along the process in the ways you describe. At the very least, it could have perhaps sped along an evolutionary process that was already in progress.

To me it is not a totally far fetched notion. Natural selection and evolution is always influenced by the environment, but perhaps you are right and the adaptation of bipedalism was consciously pushed along by selective training. This in turn could have cemented its status as a natural human feature and over time we get to where we are today, with bipedalism a completely natural biological course for us.

It is an interesting line of discussion. The full story behind the reasons for bipedalism and its evolution in humans is still not completely understood or agreed upon, and is still debated. I can see what you are saying as being a possible factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>red_pill_junky- Of course that is at out state of evolution <em>now</em>. Early on, when our ancestors first started developing the trait, bipedalism could very well have come about through environmental pressures of evolution in conjunction with early humans&#8217; concerted effort to help along the process in the ways you describe. At the very least, it could have perhaps sped along an evolutionary process that was already in progress.</p>
<p>To me it is not a totally far fetched notion. Natural selection and evolution is always influenced by the environment, but perhaps you are right and the adaptation of bipedalism was consciously pushed along by selective training. This in turn could have cemented its status as a natural human feature and over time we get to where we are today, with bipedalism a completely natural biological course for us.</p>
<p>It is an interesting line of discussion. The full story behind the reasons for bipedalism and its evolution in humans is still not completely understood or agreed upon, and is still debated. I can see what you are saying as being a possible factor.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>red_pill_junky- Well, in humans bipedalism requires no special training. A young human will eventually walk naturally, even without any intervention from adults. You can speed up the process by practicing with a toddler, getting them to stand, coaxing them to take steps, and so on, but the fact is that they would develop the ability eventually on their own. At this point in human evolution, bipedalism is not a learned trait, but rather one that is innately imprinted in us, something our bodies and brains are geared to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>red_pill_junky- Well, in humans bipedalism requires no special training. A young human will eventually walk naturally, even without any intervention from adults. You can speed up the process by practicing with a toddler, getting them to stand, coaxing them to take steps, and so on, but the fact is that they would develop the ability eventually on their own. At this point in human evolution, bipedalism is not a learned trait, but rather one that is innately imprinted in us, something our bodies and brains are geared to do.</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Viergacht: not Lamarckism &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;, but perhaps epigenetics (the environment determining how the genes are expressed)? Anyway, it may be that full bipedalism is both the result of inherited traits and training —i.e. the young ones being taught by their parents to maintain an upright position at all times.

Let's take another example: Increase in brain size in our species has been considered  by Science as a result of a change in diet with more fatty acids, brought by the addition of more protein meat. So this behavioral change in lifestyle—coupled with natural selection— brought about somehow the large intellect we all now enjoy. What I'm saying is that the environment might play a bigger role than we currently give it credit for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Viergacht: not Lamarckism <i>per se</i>, but perhaps epigenetics (the environment determining how the genes are expressed)? Anyway, it may be that full bipedalism is both the result of inherited traits and training —i.e. the young ones being taught by their parents to maintain an upright position at all times.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take another example: Increase in brain size in our species has been considered  by Science as a result of a change in diet with more fatty acids, brought by the addition of more protein meat. So this behavioral change in lifestyle—coupled with natural selection— brought about somehow the large intellect we all now enjoy. What I&#8217;m saying is that the environment might play a bigger role than we currently give it credit for.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Ipod Sasquatch"---Funny stuff. 

Mystery one?
I would say OTTER. 
:) :) :) :) :)

Seriously, though...
Yep, definitely Bonobo. 
Good photo regardless of what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ipod Sasquatch&#8221;&#8212;Funny stuff. </p>
<p>Mystery one?<br />
I would say OTTER.<br />
 <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> :) <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> :) <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, though&#8230;<br />
Yep, definitely Bonobo.<br />
Good photo regardless of what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>springheeledjack:  M_m and I disagree.  

You'll see the paper next month.  But you are shooting from the hip, sirrah!

Put this in Photoshop.  Max the "Stand Reality On Its Head" setting.  And have another look.  Just sayin'.

You'll see that it's a.....um, pug.

Nevermind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>springheeledjack:  M_m and I disagree.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll see the paper next month.  But you are shooting from the hip, sirrah!</p>
<p>Put this in Photoshop.  Max the &#8220;Stand Reality On Its Head&#8221; setting.  And have another look.  Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll see that it&#8217;s a&#8230;..um, pug.</p>
<p>Nevermind&#8230;</p>
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