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		<title>By: Dj Plasmic Nebula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dj Plasmic Nebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm this is great. :)

Job 41:15- 24

15 “Take a look at Behemoth, which I made, just as I made you.

It eats grass like an ox.

16 See its powerful loins and the muscles of its belly.

17 Its tail is as strong as a cedar.

The sinews of its thighs are knit tightly together.

18 Its bones are tubes of bronze.

Its limbs are bars of iron.

19 It is a prime example of God’s handiwork, and only its Creator can threaten it.

20 The mountains offer it their best food, where all the wild animals play.

21 It lies under the lotus plants, hidden by the reeds in the marsh.

22 The lotus plants give it shade among the willows beside the stream.

23 It is not disturbed by the raging river, not concerned when the swelling Jordan rushes around it.

24 No one can catch it off guard or put a ring in its nose and lead it away.

Lets see.. :)

In other English version of the bible, it says the Behemoth is an Elephant? Well I will tell you true, Elephants Don&#039;t have Its tail as strong as a cedar.

And if you remember, have you seen Elephants held captive? Well I have, in zoos, circuses, etc. It&#039;s quite clear you can put a ring on an elephants nose, so how can a Behemoth be an Elephant?

Here&#039;s a Dinosaur that&#039;s said to be the Behemoth. The Brachiosaur. Why? Well it appears the tail Its tail is as strong as a cedar.

But I doubt it&#039;s the Brachiosaur. Yes, I do believe it&#039;s from a sauropod (Sauropoda), like the brachiosaur, but I think it was another type of sauropod. Forgot its name.

But Wait! Why do you think someone would say Elephant? Hmmm, when some translated the bible, may go back long ago, well who ever FIRST put elephant must of saw a drawing of an old carving of a creature that resembled an elephant that was said to be behemoth. Iif you didn&#039;t know, there are lots of cave drawings of creatures in the past and lots of sculptures. Sso who ever translated the bible, got it&#039;s Behemoth Source somewhere.

If He&#039;s Right about the Trunk, that may explain why some Translators put Elephant. Due to the Fact Both Elephants and Sauropods are Large.

I&#039;m Surprised No one in that site commented saying anything about Job 40. I think should sign up and comment lol.

:)

now as for the Leviathan in Job 41. As i said before &quot;Some bible&quot; state it&#039;s a Crocodile.

But when you think of it, no crocodiles breath fire, none of them have armor like scales, and you can kill a Crocodile by spearing it I think. But you can kill a crocodile, one way or another.

I don&#039;t have any info about leviathan. The only info i have about the Leviathan is Job 41.

And the Animal that &quot;MAY&quot; likely be the leviathan is the Kronosaur.

Still as for the Trunked Sauropod, seems a Tiny bit off, due to the fact Mokele-Mbembe sightings in Africa, Witnesses never mentioned any trunk, some mentioned a horn. I forgot where i read that one.

Oh and by the way, yes Animals are Capable of Not being Seen by Humans.

There are lots a few animals I know of that&#039;s been thought to be extinct and years years years later, it turned up that they are still alive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm this is great. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Job 41:15- 24</p>
<p>15 “Take a look at Behemoth, which I made, just as I made you.</p>
<p>It eats grass like an ox.</p>
<p>16 See its powerful loins and the muscles of its belly.</p>
<p>17 Its tail is as strong as a cedar.</p>
<p>The sinews of its thighs are knit tightly together.</p>
<p>18 Its bones are tubes of bronze.</p>
<p>Its limbs are bars of iron.</p>
<p>19 It is a prime example of God’s handiwork, and only its Creator can threaten it.</p>
<p>20 The mountains offer it their best food, where all the wild animals play.</p>
<p>21 It lies under the lotus plants, hidden by the reeds in the marsh.</p>
<p>22 The lotus plants give it shade among the willows beside the stream.</p>
<p>23 It is not disturbed by the raging river, not concerned when the swelling Jordan rushes around it.</p>
<p>24 No one can catch it off guard or put a ring in its nose and lead it away.</p>
<p>Lets see.. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In other English version of the bible, it says the Behemoth is an Elephant? Well I will tell you true, Elephants Don&#8217;t have Its tail as strong as a cedar.</p>
<p>And if you remember, have you seen Elephants held captive? Well I have, in zoos, circuses, etc. It&#8217;s quite clear you can put a ring on an elephants nose, so how can a Behemoth be an Elephant?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a Dinosaur that&#8217;s said to be the Behemoth. The Brachiosaur. Why? Well it appears the tail Its tail is as strong as a cedar.</p>
<p>But I doubt it&#8217;s the Brachiosaur. Yes, I do believe it&#8217;s from a sauropod (Sauropoda), like the brachiosaur, but I think it was another type of sauropod. Forgot its name.</p>
<p>But Wait! Why do you think someone would say Elephant? Hmmm, when some translated the bible, may go back long ago, well who ever FIRST put elephant must of saw a drawing of an old carving of a creature that resembled an elephant that was said to be behemoth. Iif you didn&#8217;t know, there are lots of cave drawings of creatures in the past and lots of sculptures. Sso who ever translated the bible, got it&#8217;s Behemoth Source somewhere.</p>
<p>If He&#8217;s Right about the Trunk, that may explain why some Translators put Elephant. Due to the Fact Both Elephants and Sauropods are Large.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m Surprised No one in that site commented saying anything about Job 40. I think should sign up and comment lol.<br />
 <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>now as for the Leviathan in Job 41. As i said before &#8220;Some bible&#8221; state it&#8217;s a Crocodile.</p>
<p>But when you think of it, no crocodiles breath fire, none of them have armor like scales, and you can kill a Crocodile by spearing it I think. But you can kill a crocodile, one way or another.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any info about leviathan. The only info i have about the Leviathan is Job 41.</p>
<p>And the Animal that &#8220;MAY&#8221; likely be the leviathan is the Kronosaur.</p>
<p>Still as for the Trunked Sauropod, seems a Tiny bit off, due to the fact Mokele-Mbembe sightings in Africa, Witnesses never mentioned any trunk, some mentioned a horn. I forgot where i read that one.</p>
<p>Oh and by the way, yes Animals are Capable of Not being Seen by Humans.</p>
<p>There are lots a few animals I know of that&#8217;s been thought to be extinct and years years years later, it turned up that they are still alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning Orb</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/munns-art/comment-page-1/#comment-45270</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightning Orb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because of the strangeness of the brachiosaur&#039;s skull, is it possible these primordial giants had a sort of upward pointing trunk, maybe not quite as flexible as say an elephant&#039;s trunk?  If the Mokele-Mbembes were real, they were brachiosaurs, and they had these sort of trunks, perhaps it could explain Artist&#039;s question.  I&#039;ve heard about these dismal dragons supposedly submerging themselves completely under water - could the trunk be used like a snorkel?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of the strangeness of the brachiosaur&#8217;s skull, is it possible these primordial giants had a sort of upward pointing trunk, maybe not quite as flexible as say an elephant&#8217;s trunk?  If the Mokele-Mbembes were real, they were brachiosaurs, and they had these sort of trunks, perhaps it could explain Artist&#8217;s question.  I&#8217;ve heard about these dismal dragons supposedly submerging themselves completely under water &#8211; could the trunk be used like a snorkel?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Munns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Munns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[General comment:

I believe a minor correction is in order about the cat, Dinictis. It may not have been found in the La Brea Pits of Los Angeles, as Smilodon was, but it is known from finds in South Dakota.

For Elasmosaurus:

I don&#039;t know that the trunk idea has been &quot;trashed&quot; as you say, but those who do not subscribe to it usually cite the apparent absense of muscle attachment indicators, as well as a lack of small holes in the jaws of the skull (which carry the nerves to the usual lip muscles). As much as I know, these are the main arguments against a possible trunk.

I will readily concede the trunk is a hypothesis, nothing more, but I feel the concept is worthy of further investigation.

Bill]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>General comment:</p>
<p>I believe a minor correction is in order about the cat, Dinictis. It may not have been found in the La Brea Pits of Los Angeles, as Smilodon was, but it is known from finds in South Dakota.</p>
<p>For Elasmosaurus:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that the trunk idea has been &#8220;trashed&#8221; as you say, but those who do not subscribe to it usually cite the apparent absense of muscle attachment indicators, as well as a lack of small holes in the jaws of the skull (which carry the nerves to the usual lip muscles). As much as I know, these are the main arguments against a possible trunk.</p>
<p>I will readily concede the trunk is a hypothesis, nothing more, but I feel the concept is worthy of further investigation.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: forsakenfuture</title>
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		<dc:creator>forsakenfuture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the one with the trunk is cool looking!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the one with the trunk is cool looking!</p>
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		<title>By: Ceroill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceroill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating stuff! Thanks for passing this along!

The idea of trunks on sauropods reminds me a bit of another variant depiction I&#039;ve seen in the past of dinosaurs. In particular this had to do with ceratopsians, and the author had the idea that the large &#039;frills&#039; were muscle attachment areas for the dino&#039;s jaw and neck muscles. His reconstructions were also quite striking, as the creatures in question, rather than having an &#039;armored frill&#039;, instead had a larger looking head and much heavier neck, with horns if any just protruding from the skin. If I recall correctly the book was titled &#039;Archosaurs&#039;, but I forget the author.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating stuff! Thanks for passing this along!</p>
<p>The idea of trunks on sauropods reminds me a bit of another variant depiction I&#8217;ve seen in the past of dinosaurs. In particular this had to do with ceratopsians, and the author had the idea that the large &#8216;frills&#8217; were muscle attachment areas for the dino&#8217;s jaw and neck muscles. His reconstructions were also quite striking, as the creatures in question, rather than having an &#8216;armored frill&#8217;, instead had a larger looking head and much heavier neck, with horns if any just protruding from the skin. If I recall correctly the book was titled &#8216;Archosaurs&#8217;, but I forget the author.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>cryptidsrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that trunked sauropod is interesting. Ugly, I must say...but interesting. The reconstructed cats are indeed gorgeous. Good show, Mr. Munns!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that trunked sauropod is interesting. Ugly, I must say&#8230;but interesting. The reconstructed cats are indeed gorgeous. Good show, Mr. Munns!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Artist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...this work might indeed have some relationship to the hunt for the supposed dinosaurs of the Congo, Mokele-Mbembe, as hinted in my headline.&quot;

In all the sighting reports of Mokele-Mbembe that I&#039;ve read, two things come to mind:

1) None of the reports or sketches or illustrations show any kind of trunk, yet the locals immediately agree on their accurate resemblance to the creature they saw.

2) Most of those accounts describe and show the beast in water, like a big hippo with a long neck and tail - if that&#039;s true, to what advantage would a trunk have evolved?

Elephants need a trunk to bring ground or aerial vegetation to their mouths, because their short necks limit their head&#039;s mobility.

Giraffes, on the other neck, can get right up (or down) to where the goodies are growing, so they get along fine with a short nose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;this work might indeed have some relationship to the hunt for the supposed dinosaurs of the Congo, Mokele-Mbembe, as hinted in my headline.&#8221;</p>
<p>In all the sighting reports of Mokele-Mbembe that I&#8217;ve read, two things come to mind:</p>
<p>1) None of the reports or sketches or illustrations show any kind of trunk, yet the locals immediately agree on their accurate resemblance to the creature they saw.</p>
<p>2) Most of those accounts describe and show the beast in water, like a big hippo with a long neck and tail &#8211; if that&#8217;s true, to what advantage would a trunk have evolved?</p>
<p>Elephants need a trunk to bring ground or aerial vegetation to their mouths, because their short necks limit their head&#8217;s mobility.</p>
<p>Giraffes, on the other neck, can get right up (or down) to where the goodies are growing, so they get along fine with a short nose.</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The trunked sauropod is incredibly suggestive, and I find the logic behind it to be sound. Has Mr. Munns discussed this hypothesis with some of his paleontologists friends? This deserves a peer-reviewed paper.

And also, the images on his website are amazing. In fact, I should advise him to put  copyright watermarks on his photos, which are of course annoying but sadly necessary to protect an artist&#039;s work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trunked sauropod is incredibly suggestive, and I find the logic behind it to be sound. Has Mr. Munns discussed this hypothesis with some of his paleontologists friends? This deserves a peer-reviewed paper.</p>
<p>And also, the images on his website are amazing. In fact, I should advise him to put  copyright watermarks on his photos, which are of course annoying but sadly necessary to protect an artist&#8217;s work.</p>
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		<title>By: Elasmosaurus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elasmosaurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought the whole &quot;sauropods had trunks&quot; deal was trashed a long time ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the whole &#8220;sauropods had trunks&#8221; deal was trashed a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning Orb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lightning Orb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First time commentor; interesting shnoz on that beast.  Say, what would a cetacean/proboscidian mix be?  Something like Trunko?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time commentor; interesting shnoz on that beast.  Say, what would a cetacean/proboscidian mix be?  Something like Trunko?</p>
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