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	<title>Comments on: Montauk Monster Hoax Claim A Hoax</title>
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		<title>By: dcloud</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know how you people figure this resembles a raccoon. It looks more like a dead dog.</description>
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		<title>By: KarmakazeNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/montauk-hoax/#comment-27539</link>
		<dc:creator>KarmakazeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about adding a second comment but I am unable to edit the first, and I just noticed that I was wrong about the second picture.

That is NOT it's original position either. The left hind leg also has lividity, and the lividity on the back extends too far around to the left of the animal.

I believe it was lying pretty much on its back, on a slope, nose high. with the right hind leg either sticking stright up, or lying across the body, and the left hind leg lying on the ground.

So real animal carcass, but NOT its original position, location or condition. It didn't wash up on the beach, it was placed there, in the position of the second photo (no sand on top) then rolled over for the first photo (sand on top).

If you look at the closeup of the head, you can see the right ear squashed against the skull, but the left ear is standing out, there is lividity of the right of the "face" and you can see the flesh around the nose has been cleanly excised not eaten or rotted away. The upper canines have been removed, and the socket of one is visible. Finally, either in an attempt to disguise it, or during the cleaning or altering process, the fur has come away over most of the body.

So, not just a misidentified carcass, but an intentionally altered and moved carcass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about adding a second comment but I am unable to edit the first, and I just noticed that I was wrong about the second picture.</p>
<p>That is NOT it&#8217;s original position either. The left hind leg also has lividity, and the lividity on the back extends too far around to the left of the animal.</p>
<p>I believe it was lying pretty much on its back, on a slope, nose high. with the right hind leg either sticking stright up, or lying across the body, and the left hind leg lying on the ground.</p>
<p>So real animal carcass, but NOT its original position, location or condition. It didn&#8217;t wash up on the beach, it was placed there, in the position of the second photo (no sand on top) then rolled over for the first photo (sand on top).</p>
<p>If you look at the closeup of the head, you can see the right ear squashed against the skull, but the left ear is standing out, there is lividity of the right of the &#8220;face&#8221; and you can see the flesh around the nose has been cleanly excised not eaten or rotted away. The upper canines have been removed, and the socket of one is visible. Finally, either in an attempt to disguise it, or during the cleaning or altering process, the fur has come away over most of the body.</p>
<p>So, not just a misidentified carcass, but an intentionally altered and moved carcass.</p>
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		<title>By: KarmakazeNZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KarmakazeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a word on the colouration of the animal. One thing I noticed the first time I saw the first picture was the reddish bruising of its skin.

This is the first time I've seen the other picture and it has confirmed what I first thought - the first image was taken after the animal was moved. The reddish colouration is called "post mortem lividity" and is a result of blood pooling in the lowest parts of the body. It is an indicator used by crime scene investigators to determine if and when a body may have been moved.

The first picture was taken after the body was rolled over, and the body was rolled over quite a while after death.

The second picture appears to be its original position, based on the pattern of lividity seen in the first.

I point this out because this argues against the animal being a fake. A special effects person probably wouldn't put lividity in because they would not expect anyone to be seeing the underside, or to pay attention to such details.

So my vote is REAL dead animal, hoax explanation for what it is or how it came to be publicised.

Anyone on the spot would have been easily able to tell that it was simply a decomposing animal carcass and would have been able to guess, just as easily as us, if not easier, what KIND of animal. So, not a hoax in so far as being a prop, but a hoax in terms of it being some "unidentified" animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a word on the colouration of the animal. One thing I noticed the first time I saw the first picture was the reddish bruising of its skin.</p>
<p>This is the first time I&#8217;ve seen the other picture and it has confirmed what I first thought - the first image was taken after the animal was moved. The reddish colouration is called &#8220;post mortem lividity&#8221; and is a result of blood pooling in the lowest parts of the body. It is an indicator used by crime scene investigators to determine if and when a body may have been moved.</p>
<p>The first picture was taken after the body was rolled over, and the body was rolled over quite a while after death.</p>
<p>The second picture appears to be its original position, based on the pattern of lividity seen in the first.</p>
<p>I point this out because this argues against the animal being a fake. A special effects person probably wouldn&#8217;t put lividity in because they would not expect anyone to be seeing the underside, or to pay attention to such details.</p>
<p>So my vote is REAL dead animal, hoax explanation for what it is or how it came to be publicised.</p>
<p>Anyone on the spot would have been easily able to tell that it was simply a decomposing animal carcass and would have been able to guess, just as easily as us, if not easier, what KIND of animal. So, not a hoax in so far as being a prop, but a hoax in terms of it being some &#8220;unidentified&#8221; animal.</p>
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		<title>By: hudgeliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/montauk-hoax/#comment-27537</link>
		<dc:creator>hudgeliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course everyone will come and try to get their 15 minutes of fame. I still cant see racoon either but decomposition can do some mighty mean things to a body. I first thought maybe a pit bull but once they mentioned how small the thing was...I guess it could be a racoon. Just a weird shaped head,then again,to my knowledge I dont think I have ever seen a racoon skull. Oh well,the crypto world turns..LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course everyone will come and try to get their 15 minutes of fame. I still cant see racoon either but decomposition can do some mighty mean things to a body. I first thought maybe a pit bull but once they mentioned how small the thing was&#8230;I guess it could be a racoon. Just a weird shaped head,then again,to my knowledge I dont think I have ever seen a racoon skull. Oh well,the crypto world turns..LOL</p>
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		<title>By: coelacanth1938</title>
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		<dc:creator>coelacanth1938</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of these days, some biotech firm is going to make some producer a movie monster and then it's really going to get ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of these days, some biotech firm is going to make some producer a movie monster and then it&#8217;s really going to get ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/montauk-hoax/#comment-27535</link>
		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see that it could be a raccoon. My first impression was "dog" but the canine teeth and jaw do look a lot like a raccoon's, and after all, raccoons and dogs are fairly closely related within the Carnivora. Raccoon seem plausible to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see that it could be a raccoon. My first impression was &#8220;dog&#8221; but the canine teeth and jaw do look a lot like a raccoon&#8217;s, and after all, raccoons and dogs are fairly closely related within the Carnivora. Raccoon seem plausible to me.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>cryptidsrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to think it is an ordinary animal, too, though for the life of me I can't still see this a racoon. I guess I see things different from most folks here. I do think this has become a phenomenon. I saw a picture recently of the MM giving Obama the "fist-bump."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to think it is an ordinary animal, too, though for the life of me I can&#8217;t still see this a racoon. I guess I see things different from most folks here. I do think this has become a phenomenon. I saw a picture recently of the MM giving Obama the &#8220;fist-bump.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LightningOrb- Interesting idea, but I doubt it.  The replica is good, but it doesn't look exactly like the real deal. I don't think that would fool anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LightningOrb- Interesting idea, but I doubt it.  The replica is good, but it doesn&#8217;t look exactly like the real deal. I don&#8217;t think that would fool anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning Orb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lightning Orb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be ironic if they pulled out one of those replicas recently made in Canada and claimed that was the original prop...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be ironic if they pulled out one of those replicas recently made in Canada and claimed that was the original prop&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I do find it a little strange that someone who (as far as we know) isn't apart of any scientific group would even think of moving a carcass. "

Are you kidding?  Besides the fact the tides could have moved it, people move dead bodies around all the time.

One of the major motives for moving a body would be to take photos from a different angle, or if taking the entire body, for later re-sale on eBay.

What do you think happened to the carcass from the Maine Mutant case?  A couple thought they could make $150,000 to $15,000 auctioning off body parts on craigslist and/or eBay.

What's science got to do with it? Nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do find it a little strange that someone who (as far as we know) isn&#8217;t apart of any scientific group would even think of moving a carcass. &#8221;</p>
<p>Are you kidding?  Besides the fact the tides could have moved it, people move dead bodies around all the time.</p>
<p>One of the major motives for moving a body would be to take photos from a different angle, or if taking the entire body, for later re-sale on eBay.</p>
<p>What do you think happened to the carcass from the Maine Mutant case?  A couple thought they could make $150,000 to $15,000 auctioning off body parts on craigslist and/or eBay.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s science got to do with it? Nothing.</p>
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