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Again I stress, as Loren stresses- weeding out the more obvious hoaxes only strengthens our credibility. It is a shame that in cryptozoology (as in all activities) people are so afraid to admit they were wrong, it does them and us no favours at all.
Having said all that, I’m not sure I agree with Loren that things were better in the golden old days (if that is what he’s saying- perhaps I read that wrong) when people made judgments on their own in the field about what constitutes a good track.
In my opinion that introduces too much bias, and risks producing self-fulfilling theories (I think bigfoot should have feet like this, so I will only record tracks that look like this). Despite all the problems associated with lots of clearly faked or mistaken tracks being produced and claimed as evidence, I think it is far better to put all possible tracks out in public view and let us subject them to ‘peer review’ as Loren and Matt have done here.
I think that more eyes = better eyes, simply because there are inevitably more good ones. It’s not like the trackways are increasing to keep up with the eyes; it’s more people looking at a database that doesn’t exactly increase exponentially by the year.
Like Crowley for instance. This guy simply wasn’t around for this in the sixties and (I don’t think) the seventies. But he’s sure made me rethink my drink on track authenticity.
But here’s the bottom line: without a type specimen, it may be as hard in the end to earmark “fake” as to earmark “genuine.”
Not that we shouldn’t try. Amateur debunkers will increase the credibility of amateur Bigfooters in the long run. (Or not, if this is all hoaxery, as big a stretch as I think that is.) I’m just glad there are so many OTHER folks out there willing to split hairs on the track debate. I like to discuss the animal, personally.
Great use of the scientific method here…something all those involved with Bigfoot Studies, whether believer or skeptic, need to always keep in mind in every specific instance.
I agree with things-in-the-woods on this too: The good old days. They weren’t better.
The internet has allowed fools to rush in for sure. It’s also exponentially increased informed discussion, and puts the dreck out on the back stoop very quickly. That bias thing can’t take such a hold now, because biases get more scrutiny. Info exchange happens almost instantaneously; you get the colossal squid shot and the chimp spear as they happen, almost. More opinions, and better ones, get to more people faster.
There are still some egregious biases out there (like Bobbie Short thinking it’s a hominid and not an ape on the feet alone). Heck, she may be right. But now we can shed more light, quicker.
The ultimate light, of course, being still to come.
This is exactly the sort of thing cryptozoologists need to do to strengthen their credibility with the scientific establishment.
Anymore of this objective, dispassionate and empirically based criticism of cryptozoology in general and bigfoot in particular and the field might rightfully be accused of becoming a science, at least tangetially, if we mean science as a method of investigation.
DWA- I agree. I also believe that it could quite possibly be tough to tell a good fake from the real thing considering there is no undisputed holotype for what a real one should look like. With the Wallace prints, we have that line to go by, but it may not be easy with other fake prints made by a very determined hoaxer. The examination of foot pressure and dermal ridges are a good start but it is still going to be tough to tell by footprints alone. I also agree with things-in-the-woods in that the “old fashioned way” could create a type of bias when looking at tracks.
I feel there is a lot riding on the future credibility of cryptozoology as to whether we can discount hoaxes and focus on the more reliable evidence to be found and this may have to involve coming up with more scientific standards by which to judge tracks, etc. In my opinion, there has been more of a tendency to think this way within the field. In this sense, I personally feel that absolutely Bigfoot researchers as a whole are getting better at sifting out these hoaxes and pranks. In addition, the widespread use of the net can also help in that these hoaxes that are found are quickly passed along before too much misinformation can spread. For the most part, I think the people that seriously study Bigfoot are becoming much more discriminating with what they find and that the field for the most part has made changes for the better. A more scientific approach to the evidence is becoming more widely embraced and I feel this is going to do a lot towards the perception of cryptozoology as a legitimate science. Just in the time I’ve been on this blog, I’ve seen a shift for the better, more of a sort of willingness to question the evidence presented and look at it from a more skeptical viewpoint without being immediately taken in. I wish the hoaxes would stop, but I do not think that is likely to happen anytime soon so it is important to expunge this stuff from the datapool and make efforts to scientifically determine what constitutes a fake.
Very interesting.
I think what it comes down to is that, regardless of how compelling indirect evidence such as footprints may be, the existence of a previously undescribed animal cannot be confirmed except by examination of the animal itself.
The people who go out and fake tracks for what ever reasons when discovered should be publicly treated in court for some type of legal violation since time and money is spent by others to investigate and search those areas for the animal. When that starts to happen then the tracking will yeild more results. This is tough to do without crackpots and other types messing around with the evidence or making evidence.
I am not impressed with “too perfect” tracks especially if they are not connected with a credible sighting. However, if I am 40 miles into the Bob Marshall wilderness, then I’m very impressed if I come across tracks.
There are simply too many hoaxers out there, and I’m convinced that the real creature makes every effort to avoid leaving tracks if it can. So tracks to me are a curiosity and only serve to make me keep my eyes open a little wider.
Joppa has a good point. As they say in real estate: “Location, location, location!” Tracks that are encountered where few people go are proportionately more likely to be real. That I think is good acid test. We never will know for sure if any track is real unless we see the creature making it.
Maybe I’ve just got a cynical nature, but one downside to all of this discussion is that, were I a hoaxer, I would pay a lot more attention to my cast now and have a better idea how to make it look real.
I did not think this would be such an emotionally charged issue. But then again I did not spend my life looking for the Boss of the mountains. And only to find that thirty percent of my finds were possible fakes. A life wasted…..No a life lived!
There do seem to be quite a few tracks which do have that scalloped edge, by the way. Whatever seperates the wheat from the chaff.
Yea I was also confused about all the talk around Wallace tracks in the Meldrum book.
Personally, who cares?
My opinion.
Scrap all suspect tracks to date and start anew.
I know Matt has stated he thinks all the Bluff Creek area tracks were faked, presumably with Wallace feet, but according to Loren Coleman’s obituary, Ray moved to Toledo, Washington in 1961.
The Blue Creek/Onion Mountain event occurred in 1967.
Where was Ray Wallace in 1967?
Wallace owned a construction company that had contracts throughout the Pacific Northwest, relatives who lived from California to Washington State, and was wealthy enough to travel. Actually, apparently Wallace was rather well-to-do, as his company earned him a good fiscal foundation from which he could have taken trips far and wide.
There is no negative evidence to the fact he was not in the Blue Creek-Onion Mtns area during the summer of 1967. Also, his prankish associates and relatives could have carried out these hoaxes just as well as Wallace.
Re: this quote from Crowley:
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What is the bottom line here? I cannot prove the tracks are fake, yet the Blue Creek Mountain – Onion Mountain trackways exhibit multiple signatures of Ray Wallace hoaxing. With these enormous “red flags” why do the advocates persist in claiming that “Wallace didn’t do it”. Well, ego is a big reason. If the tracks are fake, then Green and Dahinden were fooled, and fooled badly. Fooled by a known crackpot, and that’s gotta hurt.
So back to condition three; By no means have the advocates proven that Bigfoot made the Blue Creek Mountain – Onion Mountain trackways, a necessary condition for the cast in question to exhibit Bigfoot’s dermal ridges.
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Well, the take-home from this is that advocates CAN’T prove that Bigfoot made the tracks.
Green and Dahinden (and Krantz and Meldrum, maybe to a lesser extent) have been trying too hard to “prove positive” when there’s no way to do that. If the tracks are putatively sas tracks, the angle to take, if obvious hoax markers aren’t present, is to assess the place and conditions, and extrapolate from there to the LIKELIHOOD of a hoax.
Crowley’s big contribution has been to open people’s eyes to the impossibility of proving the provenance of the tracks, regardless what markers they show. Jimmy Chilcutt may be better than me. But why isn’t the world following his lead?
Tracks can lead us there. And fake tracks are dead ends. So it’s good to recognize fakes.
But also to remember that a real good fake could also just be a real good sas track.
On the other hand, if we finally catch a Bigfoot, it could turn out that their feet exhibit this ‘ monolithic margin ‘ ..
Can’t be for sure till we nab one ..
Another idea that may have relevance here is one I read recently (wish I could remember who):
Any animal will, sooner or later, make a good likeness of ANOTHER animal’s track.
Some of these “fake” earmarks could be actual track artifacts, just like they could be hoaxes.
Not to say, mind you, that the same things showing up in known hoaxed tracks shouldn’t be viewed with suspeicion ’til provenance can be proven.
The key point will always be: NEVER say it could not have been faked. Just that circumstances - and this is always more than the track itself - say that’s either likely, or it’s not.
Didn’t the Wallace family try to claim Ray was sending people out with fakes when the story began to fall apart? Was that before or after the towing trick was tried?
Wallace “could” have been there, but there’s no evidence he was? He was living in Toledo, then? Is that correct?
The Wallace family got their fifteen minutes of fame and their film deal; let it die.
If truth is what withstands attempts at falsification, then the more falsification-filters we apply, the more credible the evidence the makes it through. (On a relativistic degrees-of-maybe-ism continuum, whose end-points are wherever you’d like to set them.)