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	<title>Comments on: Why Mokele-Mbembe Is Not A Rhino</title>
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		<title>By: lincoln s</title>
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		<dc:creator>lincoln s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it was interesting to hear about the mother and infant ngoubous leave their herd  in all my reading on it I&#039;ve never come across that. thanks for the post very insightfull</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was interesting to hear about the mother and infant ngoubous leave their herd  in all my reading on it I&#8217;ve never come across that. thanks for the post very insightfull</p>
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		<title>By: wdsasquatch</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living dinos!!!!!!!:)</description>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gavinfundyk- I should also mention that the &quot;book lungs&quot; you mentioned, that are found in many types of arachnids, are also often reliant upon the inner tracheae tubes to actually diffuse the oxygen into the hemolymph and become more inefficient as size increases. Book lungs in general just aren&#039;t well suited for the kind of gigantic sizes described here. I think even an advanced form would likely become a ineffective method of respiration as size increased to a certain point. Besides, even if for some reason the spider was able to make a radical adaptation to allow it to breathe at these sizes, it still would not be able to escape the physical limitations to size presented by its exoskeleton. The design of arthropods just isn&#039;t geared toward these kinds of immense sizes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gavinfundyk- I should also mention that the &#8220;book lungs&#8221; you mentioned, that are found in many types of arachnids, are also often reliant upon the inner tracheae tubes to actually diffuse the oxygen into the hemolymph and become more inefficient as size increases. Book lungs in general just aren&#8217;t well suited for the kind of gigantic sizes described here. I think even an advanced form would likely become a ineffective method of respiration as size increased to a certain point. Besides, even if for some reason the spider was able to make a radical adaptation to allow it to breathe at these sizes, it still would not be able to escape the physical limitations to size presented by its exoskeleton. The design of arthropods just isn&#8217;t geared toward these kinds of immense sizes.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I thought I would address the issue of giant spiders here because it is a subject I have researched before out of personal interest and some have already briefly touched on the problems. I figured I would go into a little more detail on the matter. The hard fact is that arthropods are limited in size in two major ways.

First of all, as some here have already mentioned, is the problem presented with the creature&#039;s breathing as size increases. Arthropods do not have a closed circulatory system and this means that their &quot;blood&quot; (actually called hemolymph in this case) doesn&#039;t carry oxygen the way ours does. For arthropods, oxygen comes in through pores (called spiracles) connected to the outside of the exoskeleton and the oxygen is then diffused into the body through tubes called tracheae. At a certain point, an arthropods size is physically limited because these pores and tubes become too big to effectively exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide. At a certain size, an arthropod will physically not be able to breathe and will die from a build up of carbon dioxide. Prehistoric arthropods were able to become somewhat larger in size because of the more oxygen rich atmosphere they lived in.

Even if this respiratory problem was somehow overcome, there is a second problem to contend with that limits size. There is a long drawn out scientific explanation for this, but I will try to make this as concise as possible. Basically, arthropods have muscles inside their bodies and so the exoskeleton becomes a major limitation as size increases. The power of the muscle fibers are a function of their thickness, and as an arthropod grows larger in three dimensions, its muscles only get bigger in two. In other words, the weight of the exoskeleton increases at a faster rate than muscular strength. To maintain strength, the arthropod&#039;s muscles would have to grow larger at a faster rate than the actual limbs and exoskeleton around it. At a certain point, two things can happen. The creature can either burst, or it will become unable to move at all since because its weight increases faster than its muscular strength, the exoskeleton becomes to heavy to lift. Insects can perform great feats of strength precisely because they are small. The reason underwater arthropods can get so large is because the water helps support them and makes it easier to lift around the exoskeleton. This is physics and it applies to all creatures with an exoskeleton, even land crabs.

There are solid, scientific reasons why a terrestrial arthropod&#039;s size is limited.  I do not believe it to be possible for a terrestrial spider to attain the extreme 4 to 6 foot range described simply because there are certain well established biological and physical restrictions that apply to all arthropods, and I am not about to ignore these because some people claim to have seen them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I thought I would address the issue of giant spiders here because it is a subject I have researched before out of personal interest and some have already briefly touched on the problems. I figured I would go into a little more detail on the matter. The hard fact is that arthropods are limited in size in two major ways.</p>
<p>First of all, as some here have already mentioned, is the problem presented with the creature&#8217;s breathing as size increases. Arthropods do not have a closed circulatory system and this means that their &#8220;blood&#8221; (actually called hemolymph in this case) doesn&#8217;t carry oxygen the way ours does. For arthropods, oxygen comes in through pores (called spiracles) connected to the outside of the exoskeleton and the oxygen is then diffused into the body through tubes called tracheae. At a certain point, an arthropods size is physically limited because these pores and tubes become too big to effectively exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide. At a certain size, an arthropod will physically not be able to breathe and will die from a build up of carbon dioxide. Prehistoric arthropods were able to become somewhat larger in size because of the more oxygen rich atmosphere they lived in.</p>
<p>Even if this respiratory problem was somehow overcome, there is a second problem to contend with that limits size. There is a long drawn out scientific explanation for this, but I will try to make this as concise as possible. Basically, arthropods have muscles inside their bodies and so the exoskeleton becomes a major limitation as size increases. The power of the muscle fibers are a function of their thickness, and as an arthropod grows larger in three dimensions, its muscles only get bigger in two. In other words, the weight of the exoskeleton increases at a faster rate than muscular strength. To maintain strength, the arthropod&#8217;s muscles would have to grow larger at a faster rate than the actual limbs and exoskeleton around it. At a certain point, two things can happen. The creature can either burst, or it will become unable to move at all since because its weight increases faster than its muscular strength, the exoskeleton becomes to heavy to lift. Insects can perform great feats of strength precisely because they are small. The reason underwater arthropods can get so large is because the water helps support them and makes it easier to lift around the exoskeleton. This is physics and it applies to all creatures with an exoskeleton, even land crabs.</p>
<p>There are solid, scientific reasons why a terrestrial arthropod&#8217;s size is limited.  I do not believe it to be possible for a terrestrial spider to attain the extreme 4 to 6 foot range described simply because there are certain well established biological and physical restrictions that apply to all arthropods, and I am not about to ignore these because some people claim to have seen them.</p>
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		<title>By: Spinach Village</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spinach Village</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article!</p>
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		<title>By: serpent_seeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>serpent_seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From reading the article, it seems that they are dealing with a version of the exinct brontosauras but they only eat veggies as for the rhino its described as a tricertopps now we need to get a body one of these animals to prove they exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From reading the article, it seems that they are dealing with a version of the exinct brontosauras but they only eat veggies as for the rhino its described as a tricertopps now we need to get a body one of these animals to prove they exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Michaels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to William Gibbons&#039; book. Most likely we are dealing with an unknown mammal rather then a dinosaur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to William Gibbons&#8217; book. Most likely we are dealing with an unknown mammal rather then a dinosaur.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the giant &quot;spider&quot; might be a large land crab. The description of a large roundish body and long jointed legs could just as easily be an as-yet undescribed species of crab. I don&#039;t think a giant spider is completely out of the question, I think a giant forest crab is more likely.

I believe that the forest rhino theory is by far the most promising possibility for the Mokele-mbembe. Or maybe it could be a tapir-like animal, or some kind of giant hog, or even a rare, previously unknown proboscidean. There are several possibilities that I think would be much more likely than any kind of dinosaur. I just do not believe that any dinosaurs survived the K-T extinction - unless you count birds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the giant &#8220;spider&#8221; might be a large land crab. The description of a large roundish body and long jointed legs could just as easily be an as-yet undescribed species of crab. I don&#8217;t think a giant spider is completely out of the question, I think a giant forest crab is more likely.</p>
<p>I believe that the forest rhino theory is by far the most promising possibility for the Mokele-mbembe. Or maybe it could be a tapir-like animal, or some kind of giant hog, or even a rare, previously unknown proboscidean. There are several possibilities that I think would be much more likely than any kind of dinosaur. I just do not believe that any dinosaurs survived the K-T extinction &#8211; unless you count birds.</p>
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		<title>By: cryptidsrus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I VERY highly doubt this is a spider or arthropod.

A spider THAT big? Sheesh!!!

Like I said on another thread---

I think locals would know (for the most part) the difference between a rhino and something else.

SOMETHING big and reptile-like is present in darkest Africa. I tend to agree with SOCALcryptid. Triceratops or Sauropod sounds more like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I VERY highly doubt this is a spider or arthropod.</p>
<p>A spider THAT big? Sheesh!!!</p>
<p>Like I said on another thread&#8212;</p>
<p>I think locals would know (for the most part) the difference between a rhino and something else.</p>
<p>SOMETHING big and reptile-like is present in darkest Africa. I tend to agree with SOCALcryptid. Triceratops or Sauropod sounds more like it.</p>
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		<title>By: sausage1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post, Loren, that answers my query in a previous post about the BBC documentary. Good article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, Loren, that answers my query in a previous post about the BBC documentary. Good article.</p>
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