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		<title>By: daledrinnon</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mm40bighoot/#comment-10731</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion is that it has especially the flight profile, stance on the ground, and bluffing posture characteristic of an owl. (this last is the typical raised-wings and-ducked-head shown in some witness drawings.  This incidentally did produce the desired effect of making its enemies think it was larger than it actually was)

But Kittenz's description of a Great horned owl filling a 12X12 kitchen would be as much an unknown animal as Bighoot (which may have been the "WooWoo" creature heard on the wing by Ivan Sanderson in New Jersey on one occasion, but not seen). As to its biological identity--we can probably be fairly sure it was SOME kind of an owl going on all that--but we cannot say more until we know more about its markings and coloration.  It does NOT appear to be a "Horned" owl but a very large round-headed owl of some type.  The coloration of gray and white is probably significant. The size of the eyes is sometimes exaggerated in reports, but the red eyeglow is quite significant indeed.

And along with disputing the descriptions of its imagined manlike arms and other details added on, I would also dispute the given height estimates. A recent posting on Chad Arment's blog quoted a ranger to the effect that "When we get these reports, we always cut the reported dimensions in half."  I find no problem with the idea it might be 3 and 1/2 to 4 feet tall  rather than the reports of 7 feet tall or more: people often judge cryptids to be "man-sized" at a distance and thus exaggerate somewhat. A wingspan of ten feet I would put at an approximately-estimated maximum value, the average size being something well below that.  I hypothesize that it is about the size of a big eagle, but not usually much bigger. And it would not be a usual resident of West Virginia, whatever it was: it was something out-of-place there when it was noticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is that it has especially the flight profile, stance on the ground, and bluffing posture characteristic of an owl. (this last is the typical raised-wings and-ducked-head shown in some witness drawings.  This incidentally did produce the desired effect of making its enemies think it was larger than it actually was)</p>
<p>But Kittenz&#8217;s description of a Great horned owl filling a 12X12 kitchen would be as much an unknown animal as Bighoot (which may have been the &#8220;WooWoo&#8221; creature heard on the wing by Ivan Sanderson in New Jersey on one occasion, but not seen). As to its biological identity&#8211;we can probably be fairly sure it was SOME kind of an owl going on all that&#8211;but we cannot say more until we know more about its markings and coloration.  It does NOT appear to be a &#8220;Horned&#8221; owl but a very large round-headed owl of some type.  The coloration of gray and white is probably significant. The size of the eyes is sometimes exaggerated in reports, but the red eyeglow is quite significant indeed.</p>
<p>And along with disputing the descriptions of its imagined manlike arms and other details added on, I would also dispute the given height estimates. A recent posting on Chad Arment&#8217;s blog quoted a ranger to the effect that &#8220;When we get these reports, we always cut the reported dimensions in half.&#8221;  I find no problem with the idea it might be 3 and 1/2 to 4 feet tall  rather than the reports of 7 feet tall or more: people often judge cryptids to be &#8220;man-sized&#8221; at a distance and thus exaggerate somewhat. A wingspan of ten feet I would put at an approximately-estimated maximum value, the average size being something well below that.  I hypothesize that it is about the size of a big eagle, but not usually much bigger. And it would not be a usual resident of West Virginia, whatever it was: it was something out-of-place there when it was noticed.</p>
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		<title>By: joppa</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mm40bighoot/#comment-10730</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that the issue of debate with mothman is whether the "creature" is a cryptid of flesh and blood or some sort of paranormal "entity". If you land on the cryptid side of the debate, then large owls and big birds of some sort get consideration.

If you land on the other side and mothman is "not of this world" then mothman is whatever your imagination can conjure. At this end all rational scientific inquiry ends and the matter becomes one of theological speculation and unanswerable mystery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the issue of debate with mothman is whether the &#8220;creature&#8221; is a cryptid of flesh and blood or some sort of paranormal &#8220;entity&#8221;. If you land on the cryptid side of the debate, then large owls and big birds of some sort get consideration.</p>
<p>If you land on the other side and mothman is &#8220;not of this world&#8221; then mothman is whatever your imagination can conjure. At this end all rational scientific inquiry ends and the matter becomes one of theological speculation and unanswerable mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mm40bighoot/#comment-10729</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been a voracious Mothman follower since the mid 70's and having lived my whole life in areas native to the Great Horned Owl, IMHO Mothman seems more than just a common owl. If this were the case, sightings would still be happening. There are just too many things wrong with the owl template to explain something like this. But as a theory, I am personally comfortable with it as much as any. But what bothers me most is the propensity of those interested in the subject to get so violent in arguements as to what it actually is or isn't. There is a place for the pragmatist and the romantic both. But above all, if we can't say for sure what Mothman is, how can we possibly say what it isn't? Reminds me of the old saying: "The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been a voracious Mothman follower since the mid 70&#8217;s and having lived my whole life in areas native to the Great Horned Owl, IMHO Mothman seems more than just a common owl. If this were the case, sightings would still be happening. There are just too many things wrong with the owl template to explain something like this. But as a theory, I am personally comfortable with it as much as any. But what bothers me most is the propensity of those interested in the subject to get so violent in arguements as to what it actually is or isn&#8217;t. There is a place for the pragmatist and the romantic both. But above all, if we can&#8217;t say for sure what Mothman is, how can we possibly say what it isn&#8217;t? Reminds me of the old saying: &#8220;The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it&#8217;s open.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rillo777</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mm40bighoot/#comment-10728</link>
		<dc:creator>Rillo777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's not forget that the main point of fear is to drive us away from a perceived dangerous situation. The mind and the imagination are  unbridled when fear takes over and it is very easy to imagine that the focus of the perceived danger is more than it really is. Thus, the mind invents all sorts of things to explain the cause of fear. In this case, an owl becomes a big horrible creature. If the owl was not seen clearly or the fright was too big for the mind to handle then imagination fills in the missing pieces and voila, you have a large creature that becomes, essentially, a monster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that the main point of fear is to drive us away from a perceived dangerous situation. The mind and the imagination are  unbridled when fear takes over and it is very easy to imagine that the focus of the perceived danger is more than it really is. Thus, the mind invents all sorts of things to explain the cause of fear. In this case, an owl becomes a big horrible creature. If the owl was not seen clearly or the fright was too big for the mind to handle then imagination fills in the missing pieces and voila, you have a large creature that becomes, essentially, a monster.</p>
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		<title>By: joppa</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mm40bighoot/#comment-10727</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long ago I stumbled into a Great Horned Owl while walking on a dark path in the Tennessee woods. I was wing-whooped, clawed and chased back to my vehicle. I was convinced that either Bigfoot or Mothman was trying to rip my head off, until I dove into my truck, turned on my headlights and saw that thing flap off across the hood and into the darkness. If I had not seen my attacker that night I would have been a Mothman devotee and stayed out of the woods the rest of my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long ago I stumbled into a Great Horned Owl while walking on a dark path in the Tennessee woods. I was wing-whooped, clawed and chased back to my vehicle. I was convinced that either Bigfoot or Mothman was trying to rip my head off, until I dove into my truck, turned on my headlights and saw that thing flap off across the hood and into the darkness. If I had not seen my attacker that night I would have been a Mothman devotee and stayed out of the woods the rest of my life.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mm40bighoot/#comment-10726</link>
		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Horned Owls are fairly common in the KY-WV-OH tristate area, but they are very seldom seen. They are really a very impressive bird and seeing them in the wild is always an unexpected thrill because of that brilliant, eerie, smoldering stare they have. The old folks call the Great Horned Owls hoot owls and they call the little Screech owls just that: screech owls. There are a lot of local legends and folk tales concerning owls, most having to do with ghosts or death.

Other large owls do occur here as well, especially barn owls, and the very occasional snowy owl strays in. There are some owls in other parts of the world that are even larger than Great Horned Owls. Possibly one of those could have strayed or been released into the area. I doubt that though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Horned Owls are fairly common in the KY-WV-OH tristate area, but they are very seldom seen. They are really a very impressive bird and seeing them in the wild is always an unexpected thrill because of that brilliant, eerie, smoldering stare they have. The old folks call the Great Horned Owls hoot owls and they call the little Screech owls just that: screech owls. There are a lot of local legends and folk tales concerning owls, most having to do with ghosts or death.</p>
<p>Other large owls do occur here as well, especially barn owls, and the very occasional snowy owl strays in. There are some owls in other parts of the world that are even larger than Great Horned Owls. Possibly one of those could have strayed or been released into the area. I doubt that though.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the Great Horned Owl theory is a good one and makes a lot of sense, but it cannot possibly explain all of the sightings. Granted, these reports may have been exaggerated but we can't be absolutely sure of that. People were seeing some very strange things out there at Point Pleasant and I don't know how an owl could produce some of these accounts. But the earlier descriptions of this thing really do resemble one of these owls. Is it a common animal in those parts? If it was, then why would it cause such fanfare and fear suddenly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Great Horned Owl theory is a good one and makes a lot of sense, but it cannot possibly explain all of the sightings. Granted, these reports may have been exaggerated but we can&#8217;t be absolutely sure of that. People were seeing some very strange things out there at Point Pleasant and I don&#8217;t know how an owl could produce some of these accounts. But the earlier descriptions of this thing really do resemble one of these owls. Is it a common animal in those parts? If it was, then why would it cause such fanfare and fear suddenly?</p>
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		<title>By: fuzzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll accept the possibility that SOME of the Mothman reports were misidentified Great Horned Owls, but to apply that ID to ALL of them means we have to discard the reports stating that the creature rose straight up without flapping, and chased them at nearly 100 MPH, still flapless!

Also, large, man-(and woman-) shaped, straight-winged, flapless beasties of many types have been reported frequently, including Biblical Angels, the Jersey Devil and, more recently, the smaller Chupacabras.

Many animals can be unidentifiable under the right/wrong conditions, especially, as pointed out above, with the passage of time and the flexibility of imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll accept the possibility that SOME of the Mothman reports were misidentified Great Horned Owls, but to apply that ID to ALL of them means we have to discard the reports stating that the creature rose straight up without flapping, and chased them at nearly 100 MPH, still flapless!</p>
<p>Also, large, man-(and woman-) shaped, straight-winged, flapless beasties of many types have been reported frequently, including Biblical Angels, the Jersey Devil and, more recently, the smaller Chupacabras.</p>
<p>Many animals can be unidentifiable under the right/wrong conditions, especially, as pointed out above, with the passage of time and the flexibility of imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: Rillo777</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mm40bighoot/#comment-10723</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Kittenz. When I first starting reading about mothman I thought it sounded like an owl. Then when I saw the picture I couldn't see how anyone would think anything else. Great Horned owls' eyes reflect light in shades of red. Barred owls' eyes are even more reflective and redder. Barred owls are only a little smaller than Great Horned owls. There is a sanctuary near the Mothman sightings area and I have it from someone who has visited the area that owls are "all over the place". Also owls can and will attack humans to protect their young or sometimes just meanness. I know from personal experience. And finally, a Great Horned Owl appears HUGE-even moreso than its actual size. I think people's imaginations got away from them and started a sort of "cryptid cult" that serious investigators should not waste time with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Kittenz. When I first starting reading about mothman I thought it sounded like an owl. Then when I saw the picture I couldn&#8217;t see how anyone would think anything else. Great Horned owls&#8217; eyes reflect light in shades of red. Barred owls&#8217; eyes are even more reflective and redder. Barred owls are only a little smaller than Great Horned owls. There is a sanctuary near the Mothman sightings area and I have it from someone who has visited the area that owls are &#8220;all over the place&#8221;. Also owls can and will attack humans to protect their young or sometimes just meanness. I know from personal experience. And finally, a Great Horned Owl appears HUGE-even moreso than its actual size. I think people&#8217;s imaginations got away from them and started a sort of &#8220;cryptid cult&#8221; that serious investigators should not waste time with.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/mm40bighoot/#comment-10722</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the description of the Mothman sounds a lot like the description of a Great Horned Owl.

I remember years and years ago, my dad was coonhunting in Kentucky and he caught a horned owl that was wounded in the wing. Somewhere there is a photo of that huge bird stretched out between my dad and my uncle. It had an almost human-sized head (allowing for the fluffed-out feathers), huge round reddish-orange eyes, and its wings stretched almost all the way across our 12 ft by 12 ft kitchen (one man holding a wing on either side). Its legs looked stocky too, from the fluffy feathers like baggy pajama bottoms. We kept it in the smokehouse and fed it catfood and hamburger until its wing healed and it could be released.

I think that a surprised person, coming suddenly upon a Great Horned Owl, maybe sitting on a branch with its head close to human-eye level, could remember seeing something very like a Mothman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the description of the Mothman sounds a lot like the description of a Great Horned Owl.</p>
<p>I remember years and years ago, my dad was coonhunting in Kentucky and he caught a horned owl that was wounded in the wing. Somewhere there is a photo of that huge bird stretched out between my dad and my uncle. It had an almost human-sized head (allowing for the fluffed-out feathers), huge round reddish-orange eyes, and its wings stretched almost all the way across our 12 ft by 12 ft kitchen (one man holding a wing on either side). Its legs looked stocky too, from the fluffy feathers like baggy pajama bottoms. We kept it in the smokehouse and fed it catfood and hamburger until its wing healed and it could be released.</p>
<p>I think that a surprised person, coming suddenly upon a Great Horned Owl, maybe sitting on a branch with its head close to human-eye level, could remember seeing something very like a Mothman.</p>
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