By: Jeremy_Wells

Jeremy_Wells — Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:16:02 +0000

Hmmmmm. I’m curious about whether or not Mrs. Carter-Coy can remember the location of that the “grave” she mentions.
While I’m not for the desecration of final resting places, in this case, those bones, if real, could be very compelling evidence.

As for comment #3 from tpeter inquiring about what group of Native peoples might have still lived in the Tennessee woods, I’m not sure exactly where in Tennessee these events occurred, but I grew up in the Appalachian foothills of eastern Kentucky and the only established groups of Natives still living in parts of the area that I am familiar with are Cherokee peoples in the Smokey Mountains whose native language, unless I am mistaken, is an Iroquoian tongue, and in southern Ohio some remnants of the Shawnee tribe, who were Algonquian speaking people.

By: tpeter

tpeter — Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:14:04 +0000

Dear Loren,
Janice Carter Green’s account, as summarized by Dmitri Bayanov, of her family’s 50 years of habituation with a local Bigfoot family has to be either an elaborate hoax or the biggest major scientific and philosophical breakthrough since Darwin’s Origin of Species!If the account and data in Bayanov’s article and in Mary Alayne Green & Janice Carter’s book 50 Years with Bigfoot: Tennessee Chronicles of Co-Existence (Cookeville TN: Bigfoot Books, 2002) are true, we now have conclusive proof, far more compelling than any brief “Manimal” sighting or any local native traditions recorded second-hand by anthropologists or folklorists, that Homo sapiens shares its planet with at least one other intelligent, language-using hominid species!
My key point here is, “at least one other…hominid species.” As you and Patrick Huyghe pointed out in The Field Guide to Bigfoot and Other Mystery Primates (Anomalist Books, 2006), there are actually several distinct reported types of “hairy hominids” or “Manimals” popularly lumped together as “Bigfoot,” “Sasquatch,” or “Yeti.” Judging from Bayanov’s summary of Janice Carter Coy’s description, the Carter Farm Bigfoot were the “classic” Bigfoot/Sasquatch, the “Neo-Giants” of The Field Guide to Bigfoot and Other Mystery Primates. If the “Neo-Giants,” as reported by Ms. Coy and in the Native American traditions and stories mentioned by Bayanov, use language, the possibility certainly lies open that The Field Guide to Bigfoot and Other Mystery Primates “Marked Hominids,” “Neandertaloids,” “Ertectus Hominids,” and/or “Proto-Pygmies” may likewise use language. The use of some sort of language is indeed mentioned in local native traditions of Sri Lanka’s nittaewo and the Flores ebu gogo, both of them Proto-Pygmies in The Field Guide to Bigfoot and Other Mystery Primates’s classification.
The Field Guide to Bigfoot and Other Mystery Primates’s classification system of different mystery hominid types also has a bearing on the alleged human/Bigfoot hybrid cases like “Zana” and “Patrick” cited by Bayanov. Offhand, I would say that the reported anatomical differences of the “classic” Bigfoot or “Neo-Giant” and humans are too great to make interbreeding possible–while hybridization of humans with Erectus hominids, Neandertaloids, or Proto-Pygmies seem much more likely. Of course, I am thinking here mostly of visible gross anatomy–in terms of which the “classic” Bigfoot/Sasquatch or Neo-Giant does seem strongly suggestive of Gigantopithecus blacki than of genus Homo. As I recall, Zana was said to have been a hybrid of Homo sapiens with almas or kaptar, that is, with an Erectus hominid.
Janice Carter Coy’s Bigfoot words and phrases, at least those cited by Bayanov, offhand reminded me of old-fashioned missionaries’, traders’, ppioneer settlers’, etc., transcriptions of Native American words and phrases, before the advent of the more exact and scientific phonetic transcriptions used by professional anthropologists and linguists from Franz Boas, Edward Sapir, and Benjamin Lee Whorf onward. This, along with Bayanov’s allusions to Bigoot out West speaking to Indians in local Native American languages, made me wonder if Bigfoot could have picked up one or more Native American languages in the distant past, and made them their own lingua franca? In Homo sapiens terms, this would be closely analogous to Pygmy groups in Africa using the Bantu languages of their full-sized neighbors.
Word/phrase No. 130 from Ms. Coy’s list cited by Bayanov, “Napi=God, the Lord God (It is also Sioux for Great Spirit)” is tantalizingly surprising. Either Ms. Coy used a Sioux word she had come across in her reading in concocting her hoax, or else we have here a case of cultural diffusion eastward from the Great Plains to Bigfoot bands in Tennessee! Ms. Coy, according to Bayanov,also referred to local Indians near the Carter farm and their language, but did not name the Indian group in question. I for one would dearly love to know what specific Indian group lives in Tennessee mear the Carter farm.
It would be most interesting to show Ms. Coy’s Bigfoot glossary to some specialist on Native American languages, and see what they think!
Cheers, T. Peter

By: One Eyed Cat

One Eyed Cat — Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:50:20 +0000

Hum let me finish readinfg the entire -er - essay.

with all due respect to a good artist, Ostman said he was in a sleeping bag when ‘captured’

By: Ole Bub

Ole Bub — Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:00:03 +0000

Most interesting….much obliged….

seeing is believing….

ole bub and Sheba

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