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	<title>Comments on: M. K. Davis Apologizes and &#8220;Clouds&#8221; Bigfoot With Almasty</title>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/m-k-davis-apologizes/#comment-11994</link>
		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The ability of the bigfoot to outwit, outlast and outplay virtually all bigfoot researchers, is equalled only by the supposedly mythical little people that are written about in children’s books. Amazingly, few researchers attribute those abilities to intelligence. Yet they are simultaneously convinced without evidence, that the bigfoot are animals. "

They ARE animals, Silvereagle.  Animals ain't stupid.  Look at us.  WE'RE animals.  (Oh, sorry.  We're pretty stupid.)

Actually I would say that the sas's ability to outwit people comes partly from his wit and mainly from the lack of man-hour time spent by researchers in the field looking for the animal.  M.K. Davis's problem, as I see it, is that he thinks he can conjure up new information from a 40-year-old film.  Ain't happening.

And I'm willing to bet that if the sas exists, it ain't human.  Premature though that may be it seems well supported by available evidence.

Which means he's a DIFFERENT animal from us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The ability of the bigfoot to outwit, outlast and outplay virtually all bigfoot researchers, is equalled only by the supposedly mythical little people that are written about in children’s books. Amazingly, few researchers attribute those abilities to intelligence. Yet they are simultaneously convinced without evidence, that the bigfoot are animals. &#8221;</p>
<p>They ARE animals, Silvereagle.  Animals ain&#8217;t stupid.  Look at us.  WE&#8217;RE animals.  (Oh, sorry.  We&#8217;re pretty stupid.)</p>
<p>Actually I would say that the sas&#8217;s ability to outwit people comes partly from his wit and mainly from the lack of man-hour time spent by researchers in the field looking for the animal.  M.K. Davis&#8217;s problem, as I see it, is that he thinks he can conjure up new information from a 40-year-old film.  Ain&#8217;t happening.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m willing to bet that if the sas exists, it ain&#8217;t human.  Premature though that may be it seems well supported by available evidence.</p>
<p>Which means he&#8217;s a DIFFERENT animal from us.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humans are animals.  Silvereagle, with all due respect, those humans that do not realize this simple fact, and bring it into some kind of debate regarding Bigfoot, have already defeated themselves.

M.K. made statements, and needed to be able to support them when asked simple questions about his own statements.   When he could not, however, he and others tried to move the blame to the questioners merely to take M.K off the hook he clearly put himself on.  Those mean-spirited M.K. Davis supporters who continue to call people names versus the remarkable behavior that Meldrum and his supporters have shown demonstrates why Meldrum is the one the media wishes to interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humans are animals.  Silvereagle, with all due respect, those humans that do not realize this simple fact, and bring it into some kind of debate regarding Bigfoot, have already defeated themselves.</p>
<p>M.K. made statements, and needed to be able to support them when asked simple questions about his own statements.   When he could not, however, he and others tried to move the blame to the questioners merely to take M.K off the hook he clearly put himself on.  Those mean-spirited M.K. Davis supporters who continue to call people names versus the remarkable behavior that Meldrum and his supporters have shown demonstrates why Meldrum is the one the media wishes to interview.</p>
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		<title>By: silvereagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>silvereagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ability of the bigfoot to outwit, outlast and outplay virtually all bigfoot researchers, is equalled only by the supposedly mythical little people that are written about in children's books.  Amazingly, few researchers attribute those abilities to intelligence. Yet they are simultaneously convinced without evidence, that the bigfoot are animals. One can then logically conclude that their evidence is premature, just as they themselves have concluded that MK Davis assertions were premature due to his lack of evidence. So MK appears to be guilty of making typical premature assertions, just like virtually all bigfoot researchers do. He just treaded on some different ground. Although MK's stumbling may seem fairly transparent, he is no different from most bigfoot researchers in reaching their premature conclusions except, they received attaboys, and MK gets the shaft.  In MK's rush to be the first to announce his premature conclusions, he failed to assign credit where credit was due.  Not unlike bigfoot researchers in general, who rush to announce that the bigfoot are animals without crediting all of those who came to that premature conclusion prior to them. He who lives in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.  MK simply appeared to be taking his turn at rushing to get at the forefront of bigfoot research, after being upstaged in previous weeks by Mr. Meldrum. Perhaps if MK had done his homework better in reaching his conclusions, we now would be reading about an AOL poll on whether he should be allowed to keep his real world job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ability of the bigfoot to outwit, outlast and outplay virtually all bigfoot researchers, is equalled only by the supposedly mythical little people that are written about in children&#8217;s books.  Amazingly, few researchers attribute those abilities to intelligence. Yet they are simultaneously convinced without evidence, that the bigfoot are animals. One can then logically conclude that their evidence is premature, just as they themselves have concluded that MK Davis assertions were premature due to his lack of evidence. So MK appears to be guilty of making typical premature assertions, just like virtually all bigfoot researchers do. He just treaded on some different ground. Although MK&#8217;s stumbling may seem fairly transparent, he is no different from most bigfoot researchers in reaching their premature conclusions except, they received attaboys, and MK gets the shaft.  In MK&#8217;s rush to be the first to announce his premature conclusions, he failed to assign credit where credit was due.  Not unlike bigfoot researchers in general, who rush to announce that the bigfoot are animals without crediting all of those who came to that premature conclusion prior to them. He who lives in glass houses, shouldn&#8217;t throw stones.  MK simply appeared to be taking his turn at rushing to get at the forefront of bigfoot research, after being upstaged in previous weeks by Mr. Meldrum. Perhaps if MK had done his homework better in reaching his conclusions, we now would be reading about an AOL poll on whether he should be allowed to keep his real world job.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And good point, Loren.

Where the money is in this field now is in FIELDwork.  Which costs money better not wasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And good point, Loren.</p>
<p>Where the money is in this field now is in FIELDwork.  Which costs money better not wasted.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/m-k-davis-apologizes/#comment-11990</link>
		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoon Nose:

Couldn't have said it better.  I think sometimes crypto gets a bit TOO open-minded.

I saw this coming from day one.  It really is (thanks, Ben!  ;-) ) time to stop continuous re-re-revisionism of the Patterson film.

If there's an animal out there now, rehashing film shot in 1967 sure won't prove it, one way or the other.

That no one has ever, conclusively, that is, found the Patterson film to be anything -- and that it most clearly shows a bipedal animal, albeit possibly one wearing a suit -- is enough for me to say:  keep looking.  Elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoon Nose:</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t have said it better.  I think sometimes crypto gets a bit TOO open-minded.</p>
<p>I saw this coming from day one.  It really is (thanks, Ben!  <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) time to stop continuous re-re-revisionism of the Patterson film.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s an animal out there now, rehashing film shot in 1967 sure won&#8217;t prove it, one way or the other.</p>
<p>That no one has ever, conclusively, that is, found the Patterson film to be anything &#8212; and that it most clearly shows a bipedal animal, albeit possibly one wearing a suit &#8212; is enough for me to say:  keep looking.  Elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: elsanto</title>
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		<dc:creator>elsanto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of the great highlight of Dennis Rodman's career a good 9 years ago... he called a press conference, telling the press corps that he had a big announcement to make. The big announcement was that he would soon thereafter be making a big announcement but couldn't yet disclose the contents of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the great highlight of Dennis Rodman&#8217;s career a good 9 years ago&#8230; he called a press conference, telling the press corps that he had a big announcement to make. The big announcement was that he would soon thereafter be making a big announcement but couldn&#8217;t yet disclose the contents of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Radford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Radford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and I hear people complain that SKEPTICS make life hard on Bigfoot researchers.

This is all very sad to me, all this tempest in a teapot. All the time and energy and attention that could have gone to something productive in Bigfoot research is wasted.

Frankly the most incredible thing to me is that anyone really believed that any new evidence would come from yet another analysis of the P/G film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and I hear people complain that SKEPTICS make life hard on Bigfoot researchers.</p>
<p>This is all very sad to me, all this tempest in a teapot. All the time and energy and attention that could have gone to something productive in Bigfoot research is wasted.</p>
<p>Frankly the most incredible thing to me is that anyone really believed that any new evidence would come from yet another analysis of the P/G film.</p>
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		<title>By: PhotoExpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhotoExpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post! This really puts a very confusing series of events in perspective for those who have tried to follow them. Very much appreciated!

I have to agree with Alton Higgins comments above. Well said! The real issue is about "use" of the material, in this case, images. If the images have copyright, normally a written copyright release is obtained from the holder of the images. That copyright release can be for limited use or unlimited use. You may pose restrictions on the use of the images. The concern may arise in that Rick released the images to M.K. in "good faith" but for personal use only. And M.K. perhaps used them directly or indirectly for promotional purposes of a film or future book. Typically, "personal" use does not include commercial use for profit or advertising purposes.

As Alton alludes to above, one does not have to be a lawyer to understand the basics of copyright law. And certainly photographers, whether professional or amateur have more than a basic understanding of copyright laws concerning images and their manipulation. And that is where the problem lies!

Here are some legal and ethical questions that need to be uncovered.

The legal questions would be:

1. Did Mrs. Patterson give Rick a written copyright release for the images, either limited or unlimited?

2. Was there a verbal contract or just a mutual understanding that the images were to stay with Rick?

3. Were the images taken by an associate of Rick without Rick's permission?

4. Were the images used by M.K. violate any prior copyright release?

5. So who would sue who in civil litigation?

The ethical questions would be very simple:

1. On what basis did M.K. feel he had the right to distribute those images even if permission was granted by Rick for personal use?

2. Where those images intentionally used as a means of generating interest (advertising) and/or profit?

3. What is the meaning of "personal use".

It is very clear to me as a professional photographer where the lines are drawn both legally and ethically. And it would have been almost as clear in my amateur days of photography in college.

But to some, the answer seems more elusive and the lines less clear. In other words, ah, ahhh, um, ahh, uh, ahhh...

I could not agree more with every word of your post Alton. Nice job summing up my exact sentiments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post! This really puts a very confusing series of events in perspective for those who have tried to follow them. Very much appreciated!</p>
<p>I have to agree with Alton Higgins comments above. Well said! The real issue is about &#8220;use&#8221; of the material, in this case, images. If the images have copyright, normally a written copyright release is obtained from the holder of the images. That copyright release can be for limited use or unlimited use. You may pose restrictions on the use of the images. The concern may arise in that Rick released the images to M.K. in &#8220;good faith&#8221; but for personal use only. And M.K. perhaps used them directly or indirectly for promotional purposes of a film or future book. Typically, &#8220;personal&#8221; use does not include commercial use for profit or advertising purposes.</p>
<p>As Alton alludes to above, one does not have to be a lawyer to understand the basics of copyright law. And certainly photographers, whether professional or amateur have more than a basic understanding of copyright laws concerning images and their manipulation. And that is where the problem lies!</p>
<p>Here are some legal and ethical questions that need to be uncovered.</p>
<p>The legal questions would be:</p>
<p>1. Did Mrs. Patterson give Rick a written copyright release for the images, either limited or unlimited?</p>
<p>2. Was there a verbal contract or just a mutual understanding that the images were to stay with Rick?</p>
<p>3. Were the images taken by an associate of Rick without Rick&#8217;s permission?</p>
<p>4. Were the images used by M.K. violate any prior copyright release?</p>
<p>5. So who would sue who in civil litigation?</p>
<p>The ethical questions would be very simple:</p>
<p>1. On what basis did M.K. feel he had the right to distribute those images even if permission was granted by Rick for personal use?</p>
<p>2. Where those images intentionally used as a means of generating interest (advertising) and/or profit?</p>
<p>3. What is the meaning of &#8220;personal use&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is very clear to me as a professional photographer where the lines are drawn both legally and ethically. And it would have been almost as clear in my amateur days of photography in college.</p>
<p>But to some, the answer seems more elusive and the lines less clear. In other words, ah, ahhh, um, ahh, uh, ahhh&#8230;</p>
<p>I could not agree more with every word of your post Alton. Nice job summing up my exact sentiments.</p>
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		<title>By: Spoon Nose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spoon Nose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm at an utter loss as to why MK Davis and his bizarre theories have been given so much attention.

I believe the Apollo Theater in Harlem cut short spectacles like his with a broom-wielding clown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m at an utter loss as to why MK Davis and his bizarre theories have been given so much attention.</p>
<p>I believe the Apollo Theater in Harlem cut short spectacles like his with a broom-wielding clown.</p>
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		<title>By: Alton Higgins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alton Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, all the "racist"-related fussing and fuming was just one of several red herrings flopping around various forums.

The real issue has become that of one man using another man's work without permission.

As indicated by his words in the Biscardi interview, Davis does not see his behavior as being wrong and actually rationalizes his actions. He offers no apology to Noll because none is warranted, from his perspective.

Unfortunately, there are those who do not consider Davis's actions as being a big deal, to use Melissa's term, and others who still seek to exploit Davis and this controversy for their own purposes.

This situation is a sad reflection of society.

Again, JMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, all the &#8220;racist&#8221;-related fussing and fuming was just one of several red herrings flopping around various forums.</p>
<p>The real issue has become that of one man using another man&#8217;s work without permission.</p>
<p>As indicated by his words in the Biscardi interview, Davis does not see his behavior as being wrong and actually rationalizes his actions. He offers no apology to Noll because none is warranted, from his perspective.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there are those who do not consider Davis&#8217;s actions as being a big deal, to use Melissa&#8217;s term, and others who still seek to exploit Davis and this controversy for their own purposes.</p>
<p>This situation is a sad reflection of society.</p>
<p>Again, JMO.</p>
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