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Loren is Youtubed

Posted by: Loren Coleman on June 2nd, 2007

I discussed YouTube a few days ago, coining the word “Tubesquatch.” Before the week was over, I’d been Youtubed myself. I guess the lesson is, be careful about what you write. Ha.

The following is the clip from CNN’s “Paula Zahn Now,” for June 1, 2007, on Nessie, which was run in the final moments of her program. It was originally scheduled to be five minutes long.

What happened is typical for the fate of a combined human interest-animal-mystery teaser held to the end of such a program. Especially it seems in live news talkshows, such segments are squeezed for time.

Joe Nickell and I hardly had two minutes to unfold any kind of a good exchange, and my audio seems to have been cut out for my final response to Nickell’s global view of lake monsters. Oh well. It definitely expanded the viewers and discussion of the Nessie footage to a wider mainstream audience.

Too bad the beautiful night and setting along the Fore River in Portland, Maine, was hidden in the evening darkness. Nevertheless, here it is, with images from Bill Appleton’s Cryptomundo-based stablizations of the Gordon Holmes Nessie video.

My author friend Jerry Clark noted that what was operating here, in counterpoint to my view, was: The Nickell principle: “We will take up an existence by its otters.”

Coincidentially, another good friend, Patrick Huyghe emailed me: “Joe was otterly ridiculous.”

Yes, it seems to be owls as the answer for Joe Nickell to debunk any strange cryptid seen above ground level in the southern USA, and otters to explain everything mysterious in any lake throughout the world. Ah, if life was so simple.

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The Field Guide to Lake Monsters, Sea Serpents, and Other Mystery Denizens of the Deep (NY: Tarcher/Penguin, 2003).

Thanks to goochcamper for the uploading the clip to YouTube.

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Chris Noel responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 8:45 am
Great job, Loren.
Rick Noll responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 10:26 am
Good job Loren… made it much more interesting to watch this news piece than someone just getting up in front of a camera and saying “Don’t cha see, thar she is is, thars no disputin that now!” For the longest time I thought we were all on par with Werner’s impression of a crytozoologist.

I think your effort was worth it. Hope some book sales come from it.
DavidFullam responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 11:23 am
You survived Paula Zahn? You truly are a man among men!
Kimble responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 11:47 am
I had to chuckle at Nickell’s end comments: that otters are known to swin in a line…that these are probably otters…then this video IS of otters.
voodoochild responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Did anyone else notice that Joe Nickell contradicted himself? He stated that large European otters inhabit the Loch, then later said that a British expedition had checked the entire span of the Loch, but found NO large animals? What happened to all the otters?
Patrick Bede responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Otters in formation, huh?

Geez.

I’ve heard it all now.

I wonder if the guy’s ever actually observed otters or beavers in the wild? It certainly does NOT sound like it.
bill green responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 1:25 pm
hey loren again great new interview you did last night on cnn. thanks bill . im glad your new interview is on youtube it should realy help you with your research & get more info etc about other cryptozoology animals as well.
shill responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 1:37 pm
I thought it was good. If you’re not happy and Nickell isn’t happy then it was probably fair time for both. To be honest, there is rarely equal time given to skeptics on these types of stories. One needs balance. I think viewers got a good intro to the story from Loren’s side, showing that there is interest and then a cautionary (but perhaps too limited a possible explanation) from Joe. There simply isn’t enough time to develop fair arguments in 3 minutes. I hate that. IMHO, I am also “underwhelmed” with the video. There is simply not a whole lot there. To me it looks small and fast. Otters are pretty small and fast. It’s a fair assumption to test.
sschaper responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Well done! You gave a very credible presentation, increasing the credibility of cryptozoology. Very well done, Loren.
Crypt_Raider responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Very nice!

I agree that it’s possible that previous sightings were of otters and such, and that them swimming leaves a trail as they break through the waves, BUT a 70′ trail, I don’t think so.

I was also impressed to see that you were open to different opinion and other explanations. Allot of the time when Cryptozoologists are called to the plate they’re normally so desperate to prove something’s existence that they seem crazy and unwilling to see things for what they also may be! It really gives the field of Cryptozoology a bad name.

You on the other hand, handled it superbly. Kudos!!!

Also I was not aware of the book you had wrote. It seems very interesting. I will have to pick up a copy.

Nice work!
jerrywayne responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 3:50 pm
I thought Nickell gave a plausable, if not definitive, explanation for what appears on the video. On the other hand, it was unfortunate that Coleman countered Nickell’s negative evidence (no sonar “sightings” during the major scan of Ness; no remains found of “Nessie” over the years; not enough food source for a breeding colony of “monsters” at Ness) with an ad hoc assumption that the legendary creatures of Ness come to and leave the lake by land and waterway.
Pvolitans responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Good job Loren!

A stream of otters swimming in a line seems a lot less believable. I can understand why you’d shake your head. If we’re talking about multiple animals moving in tandem, explain why there are no heads bobbing up for air around the large mass that is trailing the obvious head and neck? Are the otters taking breaths in synchrony now? Are they timing their breathing?

I’m seriously skeptical of the skeptic’s explanation, at any rational level. There is obviously one large mass moving behind the head and though I wouldn’t jump the gun to say it’s plesiosaur, I’d say that it’s something that would compel further study.

Point of interest: to prove the hypothesis that ‘Nessie’ might migrate like salmon along tributaries, then these tributaries would be the perfect chokepoints for observation.
asrai responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Nice job!

And having looked at this footage again I still don’t think that it is a otter or otters swimming in a line. First of all the otters he is talking about, lutra lutra, are highly territorial and live alone for the most part. So I don’t think we’d see a bunch of them swimming in a line. Also it would take a lot a otters to give the appearance of a 70′ creature.
Cryptonut responds: June 2nd, 2007 at 7:11 pm
Loren: Very aticulate, and you fairly represented the evidence and didn’t look to puff anything up more than it was, until more can be gleaned from the video evidence, talking with the individual who did the filming, etc. On the other hand, Nickell’s point of view was ridiculous. It’s as if being a skeptic gives one the freedom to say everything is bogus without any investigation at all. Did he have any more evidence to prove that they were otters? He wants to lump some other sightings into every one of them without any investigation on his part. No credibility.
Mnynames responds: June 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 am
Otters in formation? It must be the British Otter Patrol! Cue patriotic music and newsreel footage.
CryptoGoji responds: June 3rd, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Nice interview Loren. Otters swimming in a row? maybe a few, but not enough to bring a 70′ line. I still think that this other man is only fooling himself to be on tv, but somebody had to take the opposing viewpoint and he was prolbaly as good as anybody.
Tengu responds: June 3rd, 2007 at 4:58 pm
a family of otters would swim in a row.

Grey seals are bigger and there is certainly (certainly according to the NHM) a seal(s) in the loch.

what is the scale of the thing, anyway??
sasquatch responds: June 4th, 2007 at 8:11 am
Yeah Voodoochild; I did catch the contradiction, also the BBC sonor scans he mentioned have since been exposed as not being as extensive as claimed. That fact was not brought up-maybe due to time limitations? Anyway, my opinion is that this thing is pretty big when compared to the waves, I’d say just what is clearly creature (their could be more underwater) and not it’s wake; is about 12-15 feet long. I’ve been on lakes and oceans enough to have a decent intuitive feel for wave size to feel confident in my estimate. There DOES appear to be a bulbous head, (fairly) long, thin neck and larger massive area that trails behind…The closest thing I can think of that matches? Plesiosaur.

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