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	<title>Comments on: Alligators-in-the-Sewers Update</title>
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		<title>By: TheForthcoming</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheForthcoming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Loren and all

Here is &lt;a href=&quot;http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2010/08/alligators-on-loose-in-chicago-and-nyc.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a link&lt;/a&gt; about crocodile sightings in the NY and Chicago areas.

The above site proudly advertises Cryptomundo btw!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren and all</p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2010/08/alligators-on-loose-in-chicago-and-nyc.html" rel="nofollow">a link</a> about crocodile sightings in the NY and Chicago areas.</p>
<p>The above site proudly advertises Cryptomundo btw!!</p>
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		<title>By: TheForthcoming</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 12:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live near Chicago and we just had a 2nd Crocodile sighting and this time the local fox news 32 wfld tv channel caught it on tape!! It&#039;s only about 5-6 feet long and maybe 250-400 pounds at most but still impressive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live near Chicago and we just had a 2nd Crocodile sighting and this time the local fox news 32 wfld tv channel caught it on tape!! It&#8217;s only about 5-6 feet long and maybe 250-400 pounds at most but still impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptoraptor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cryptoraptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Drudgereport currently has 3 back to back Croc stories- NYC, Chicago, and Brockton, Mass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Drudgereport currently has 3 back to back Croc stories- NYC, Chicago, and Brockton, Mass.</p>
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		<title>By: coelacanth1938</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/nyregion/23reptile.html?_r=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alligator Surfaces Beneath a Car in Queens&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/nyregion/23reptile.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">Alligator Surfaces Beneath a Car in Queens</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: TheForthcoming</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheForthcoming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MattBille

Alligator was a funny, campy and somewhat scary movie
and I did enjoy watching it and aligator 2 back in the 90&#039;s
when I first saw those movies. I know they were probably made in the late 70&#039;s and early 80&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MattBille</p>
<p>Alligator was a funny, campy and somewhat scary movie<br />
and I did enjoy watching it and aligator 2 back in the 90&#8242;s<br />
when I first saw those movies. I know they were probably made in the late 70&#8242;s and early 80&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: TheForthcoming</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Loren for bring this much interesting subject to our attention. As for mysteryman and cliffhanger, I have two responses for you about the gators and worm like intestine organism that reminds me of the movie the blob:

1. Sanitary&quot; sewers, no, they&#039;re a closed system. No way in unless it&#039;s flushed in, and in that case, there&#039;s little to no access to sunlight and an abundance of toxic gasses.

Storm &quot;sewers&quot; or culvert pipes, yes. This nice little system that was designed to keep towns from flooding during rains has actually made life easier for alligators. Culvert pipes leading from retention pond to retention pond act as alligator &quot;highways&quot;, and it&#039;s amazing how quickly an alligator can find it&#039;s way to a new pond that&#039;s miles away from any other water source. Not to mention that the temperature tends to be constant in these systems, which eliminates the need for gators to excavate their own caves for shelter during cold weather...

So, in conclusion... where your poopie goes, no, where the storm water goes, yes maybe.

2. What you saw was very interesting btw on the cam.

It could be thousands of worms what you saw aka a Bryozoan Colony of worms.

Go here: &lt;a href=&quot; http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2009/07/sewer-monster-confirmed-as-bryozoan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sewer Monster Confirmed as Bryozoan Colony&lt;/a&gt; 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Loren for bring this much interesting subject to our attention. As for mysteryman and cliffhanger, I have two responses for you about the gators and worm like intestine organism that reminds me of the movie the blob:</p>
<p>1. Sanitary&#8221; sewers, no, they&#8217;re a closed system. No way in unless it&#8217;s flushed in, and in that case, there&#8217;s little to no access to sunlight and an abundance of toxic gasses.</p>
<p>Storm &#8220;sewers&#8221; or culvert pipes, yes. This nice little system that was designed to keep towns from flooding during rains has actually made life easier for alligators. Culvert pipes leading from retention pond to retention pond act as alligator &#8220;highways&#8221;, and it&#8217;s amazing how quickly an alligator can find it&#8217;s way to a new pond that&#8217;s miles away from any other water source. Not to mention that the temperature tends to be constant in these systems, which eliminates the need for gators to excavate their own caves for shelter during cold weather&#8230;</p>
<p>So, in conclusion&#8230; where your poopie goes, no, where the storm water goes, yes maybe.</p>
<p>2. What you saw was very interesting btw on the cam.</p>
<p>It could be thousands of worms what you saw aka a Bryozoan Colony of worms.</p>
<p>Go here: <a href=" http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2009/07/sewer-monster-confirmed-as-bryozoan.html" rel="nofollow">Sewer Monster Confirmed as Bryozoan Colony</a> </p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahh I remember this thread. One of my favorite discussions I&#039;ve had on this site. I wonder if cliff is still around. You still out there, buddy?

MattBille- Oh wow, what a blast from the past. I used to love that movie. Absolutely brilliant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh I remember this thread. One of my favorite discussions I&#8217;ve had on this site. I wonder if cliff is still around. You still out there, buddy?</p>
<p>MattBille- Oh wow, what a blast from the past. I used to love that movie. Absolutely brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 00:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe no one has mentioned the enjoyably goofy film &quot;Alligator.&quot; It was one of those rare films that knows it&#039;s preposterous and just has fun with it.  Then there&#039;s Harlan Ellison&#039;s memorably creepy story &quot;Croatoan&quot;  (there have been other fictional treatments of the idea, but anything from Ellison is always unique.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe no one has mentioned the enjoyably goofy film &#8220;Alligator.&#8221; It was one of those rare films that knows it&#8217;s preposterous and just has fun with it.  Then there&#8217;s Harlan Ellison&#8217;s memorably creepy story &#8220;Croatoan&#8221;  (there have been other fictional treatments of the idea, but anything from Ellison is always unique.)</p>
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		<title>By: norman-uk</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cliffhanger 

I would not have thought it probable that crocs or gators did live in sewers, but I think it has been shown that in some cases they in fact do. Though I doubt they breed successfully. Where they are found it seems they are quickly bumped off. 

What allows these animals to make it in this unnatural environment? I would suggest it is because every sewer may be different and here and there are niche environments where they can survive. A description of these would not be found in any text book. In some there could be links with ancient sewers no longer used or natural cave systems.  There is almost certainly ground water and flows (in the UK at least) and huge leakages from water supplies.
  
Isn&#039;t it true that even people manage to live in sewers, rarely I hope!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cliffhanger </p>
<p>I would not have thought it probable that crocs or gators did live in sewers, but I think it has been shown that in some cases they in fact do. Though I doubt they breed successfully. Where they are found it seems they are quickly bumped off. </p>
<p>What allows these animals to make it in this unnatural environment? I would suggest it is because every sewer may be different and here and there are niche environments where they can survive. A description of these would not be found in any text book. In some there could be links with ancient sewers no longer used or natural cave systems.  There is almost certainly ground water and flows (in the UK at least) and huge leakages from water supplies.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it true that even people manage to live in sewers, rarely I hope!</p>
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		<title>By: cliff</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[norman-uk - Those are some good points about evolution, but isn&#039;t that (elephant example) more along the lines of selective breeding by humans to get a desired result? I&#039;m not sure that is the same thing really, but I get your point. I actually have a corn snake that is black, white, an grey that is a result of selective breeding because corns are typically red, orange and yellow.

As far as the sewers go, I&#039;ve done some research and found that there are indeed some places with combined sewers and those municipalities actually &quot;treat&quot; or clean the stormwater just as they do the raw sewage. So in a combined sanitary/storm system the raw sewage would be somewhat diluted, but that would only apply during heavy rain storms. I would venture to guess that the municipalities that would require combined systems are those that typically experience less annual rainfall than others and also have very scarce natural waterways to route the stormwater to. In Florida and in my state (Alabama) for example, most places wouldn&#039;t have combined systems because of the availability of natural waterways (branches, streams, creeks, rivers, ocean) to discharge the water into. But New York, due to the size of the city, would probably benefit more financially from treating the stormwater than to pay for the cost of extra piping to route the water to natural drainage features. So I&#039;m kinda going back on what I said before about the systems not being combined, I have found that there are some places (New York for example) that do actually treat stormwater. But as far as my original position of not really being too convinced personally of the possibility, it still stands because all the other issues I have regarding full flow, gators not being reported to have been washed into the treatment plant or surface through a curb inlet, etc, still apply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>norman-uk &#8211; Those are some good points about evolution, but isn&#8217;t that (elephant example) more along the lines of selective breeding by humans to get a desired result? I&#8217;m not sure that is the same thing really, but I get your point. I actually have a corn snake that is black, white, an grey that is a result of selective breeding because corns are typically red, orange and yellow.</p>
<p>As far as the sewers go, I&#8217;ve done some research and found that there are indeed some places with combined sewers and those municipalities actually &#8220;treat&#8221; or clean the stormwater just as they do the raw sewage. So in a combined sanitary/storm system the raw sewage would be somewhat diluted, but that would only apply during heavy rain storms. I would venture to guess that the municipalities that would require combined systems are those that typically experience less annual rainfall than others and also have very scarce natural waterways to route the stormwater to. In Florida and in my state (Alabama) for example, most places wouldn&#8217;t have combined systems because of the availability of natural waterways (branches, streams, creeks, rivers, ocean) to discharge the water into. But New York, due to the size of the city, would probably benefit more financially from treating the stormwater than to pay for the cost of extra piping to route the water to natural drainage features. So I&#8217;m kinda going back on what I said before about the systems not being combined, I have found that there are some places (New York for example) that do actually treat stormwater. But as far as my original position of not really being too convinced personally of the possibility, it still stands because all the other issues I have regarding full flow, gators not being reported to have been washed into the treatment plant or surface through a curb inlet, etc, still apply.</p>
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