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		<title>By: DWA</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/loren-bones/comment-page-1/#comment-67792</link>
		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[korollocke:  that is the point, indeed.  Fossils are what was; they cannot be seen to point to what is, except insofar as they show the lineage of things we know exist.

Fossils are fabulously rare when it comes down to it.  I&#039;ll bet my lifetime salary that no one that ever sees this blog will become a fossil no matter how hard they try.  (Now to figure out how to collect.)  We probably don&#039;t have any trace of the vast majority of the animal species that have inhabited this earth.  (Invertebrates, bet on it.  But even if you have bones, dying in the right place under the right circumstances is ...well, play the lottery, it&#039;s safer by a lot.)  The absence of fossils means...wait for it...we don&#039;t have any, yet.  It says nothing at all about what might be now; it doesn&#039;t even tip my hand one direction or the other.

Matt Bille:  I guess I&#039;m not too troubled by the fossil absence for pretty much the reason you state:  here we have two extant species, and your hat holds all the evidence of their lineage.  In fact, we may have sasquatch lineage already in hand and not even know it, just not the links that got from the fossils we have to what exists now.  Links are missing, a ha, get it?  (Beats a Messin&#039; with Sasquatch joke.)  Aaaanyway.   We don&#039;t know we have anything with the sasquatch because we don&#039;t know what the sasquatch is.  Knowing what the chimp and gorilla are helped us make the connections in those cases...long after the live animals were in the scientific catalogue.

But given her experience with them, Bones should know that even if bones tell the story, their absence doesn&#039;t, necessarily.

Booth having seen a yeti just gives me the warm fuzzies.  Never would have seen that as a skeleton in his closet.  

So to speak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>korollocke:  that is the point, indeed.  Fossils are what was; they cannot be seen to point to what is, except insofar as they show the lineage of things we know exist.</p>
<p>Fossils are fabulously rare when it comes down to it.  I&#8217;ll bet my lifetime salary that no one that ever sees this blog will become a fossil no matter how hard they try.  (Now to figure out how to collect.)  We probably don&#8217;t have any trace of the vast majority of the animal species that have inhabited this earth.  (Invertebrates, bet on it.  But even if you have bones, dying in the right place under the right circumstances is &#8230;well, play the lottery, it&#8217;s safer by a lot.)  The absence of fossils means&#8230;wait for it&#8230;we don&#8217;t have any, yet.  It says nothing at all about what might be now; it doesn&#8217;t even tip my hand one direction or the other.</p>
<p>Matt Bille:  I guess I&#8217;m not too troubled by the fossil absence for pretty much the reason you state:  here we have two extant species, and your hat holds all the evidence of their lineage.  In fact, we may have sasquatch lineage already in hand and not even know it, just not the links that got from the fossils we have to what exists now.  Links are missing, a ha, get it?  (Beats a Messin&#8217; with Sasquatch joke.)  Aaaanyway.   We don&#8217;t know we have anything with the sasquatch because we don&#8217;t know what the sasquatch is.  Knowing what the chimp and gorilla are helped us make the connections in those cases&#8230;long after the live animals were in the scientific catalogue.</p>
<p>But given her experience with them, Bones should know that even if bones tell the story, their absence doesn&#8217;t, necessarily.</p>
<p>Booth having seen a yeti just gives me the warm fuzzies.  Never would have seen that as a skeleton in his closet.  </p>
<p>So to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: korollocke</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/loren-bones/comment-page-1/#comment-67782</link>
		<dc:creator>korollocke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[exstinction, my bad. crappy key board.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exstinction, my bad. crappy key board.</p>
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		<title>By: korollocke</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/loren-bones/comment-page-1/#comment-67781</link>
		<dc:creator>korollocke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dont see what fossils have to do with finding a living breathing thing. Fossils are proof of past existance and exstiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont see what fossils have to do with finding a living breathing thing. Fossils are proof of past existance and exstiction.</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DWA, yes. I should have noted that the fallacy of reasoning backwards from a conclusion is something anyone can fall into, whether they are arguing that a particular phenomenon DOES exist or that is CANNOT exist.  
I&#039;ve never been of the &quot;fossils prove is doesn&#039;t exist&quot; school, since all the univerally-accepted fossils of the modern chimp and gorilla could fit together  in my hat. So the absence of any Gigantopithecus remains north of China from any period, and the absence of any  sasquatch-candidate speces remains from anywhere in North America, is not conclusive, although it is troubling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWA, yes. I should have noted that the fallacy of reasoning backwards from a conclusion is something anyone can fall into, whether they are arguing that a particular phenomenon DOES exist or that is CANNOT exist.<br />
I&#8217;ve never been of the &#8220;fossils prove is doesn&#8217;t exist&#8221; school, since all the univerally-accepted fossils of the modern chimp and gorilla could fit together  in my hat. So the absence of any Gigantopithecus remains north of China from any period, and the absence of any  sasquatch-candidate speces remains from anywhere in North America, is not conclusive, although it is troubling.</p>
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		<title>By: Chance Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/loren-bones/comment-page-1/#comment-67776</link>
		<dc:creator>Chance Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 02:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I think that they should make more episodes of &quot;Bones&quot; like this one. It tends to educate those who are ignorant to the study of Cryptozoology, and really aggravates those who are skeptical of Cryptids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think that they should make more episodes of &#8220;Bones&#8221; like this one. It tends to educate those who are ignorant to the study of Cryptozoology, and really aggravates those who are skeptical of Cryptids.</p>
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		<title>By: PhotoExpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhotoExpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the mention of &quot;L. Coleman&quot; is more than coincidental. I watch that program from time to time, if I have some free time. I am definitely going to Hulu.com and watch that episode since I missed it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the mention of &#8220;L. Coleman&#8221; is more than coincidental. I watch that program from time to time, if I have some free time. I am definitely going to Hulu.com and watch that episode since I missed it.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 21:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Loren:  true indeed.  

But a scientist should never attempt to deduce current existence from fossil evidence.  In the instant case, the scientist should pay attention to the 5% - that is five percent - of all the primate species estimated to have lived for which we have any evidence, at all.  Paleontologists constantly gush over how many dinosaur fossils remain to be found.  And, what, we&#039;re done with primates?  We are certain that no ape species have ever lived in North America?  But that&#039;s how we think, isn&#039;t it?

I think the problem for folks like Bones is that, when they are confronted with a scientific conundrum outside their narrow field of specialty, their need to sound like experts trumps their scientific objectivity.  They refer back to stuff that&#039;s been pounded in their heads since childhood - ghosts aren&#039;t real, silly! and neither is Bigfoot! - and spout them back.  

Bones would never react favorably to my telling her:  look.  You can&#039;t deduce anything from a six-month-old pile of bones.  

She should learn a lesson from that, ya think?  Booth has.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren:  true indeed.  </p>
<p>But a scientist should never attempt to deduce current existence from fossil evidence.  In the instant case, the scientist should pay attention to the 5% &#8211; that is five percent &#8211; of all the primate species estimated to have lived for which we have any evidence, at all.  Paleontologists constantly gush over how many dinosaur fossils remain to be found.  And, what, we&#8217;re done with primates?  We are certain that no ape species have ever lived in North America?  But that&#8217;s how we think, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I think the problem for folks like Bones is that, when they are confronted with a scientific conundrum outside their narrow field of specialty, their need to sound like experts trumps their scientific objectivity.  They refer back to stuff that&#8217;s been pounded in their heads since childhood &#8211; ghosts aren&#8217;t real, silly! and neither is Bigfoot! &#8211; and spout them back.  </p>
<p>Bones would never react favorably to my telling her:  look.  You can&#8217;t deduce anything from a six-month-old pile of bones.  </p>
<p>She should learn a lesson from that, ya think?  Booth has.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 21:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the most unfortunate lines placed in this fictional episode by the &quot;Bones&quot; writers was this one: &quot;the absence of fossils proves it isn’t real…”

Of course, there are fossil candidates for the Yetis, including &lt;em&gt;Gigantopithecus&lt;/em&gt;, needless to say!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most unfortunate lines placed in this fictional episode by the &#8220;Bones&#8221; writers was this one: &#8220;the absence of fossils proves it isn’t real…”</p>
<p>Of course, there are fossil candidates for the Yetis, including <em>Gigantopithecus</em>, needless to say!</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bones complains to the tabloid TV host that he’s starting with the conclusion and working backward, which, while certainly not true of all cryptozoologists, is a trap even the best-intentioned people can fall into.&quot;

Indeed.  &quot;The sasquatch does not exist.  Therefore (1) any explanation for it that sounds mundane - e.g., a bipedal cow, a bear running on two legs or a ten-foot-tall actor - is automatically the most likely one, regardless of how real-life whacko it actually is; (2) the absence of fossils proves it isn&#039;t real...&quot;

Just sayin&#039;.  ;-)

I find Temperance Brennan to be one of the more annoying characters I have ever seen on screen.  She makes Mr. Spock look and sound like a goodtime bar buddy.  Booth, though, I really like.  You saw a yeti, man.  Stick to your guns.  You might enjoy a beer with Peter Matthiesssen.

(From personal experience, I know.  He would.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bones complains to the tabloid TV host that he’s starting with the conclusion and working backward, which, while certainly not true of all cryptozoologists, is a trap even the best-intentioned people can fall into.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed.  &#8220;The sasquatch does not exist.  Therefore (1) any explanation for it that sounds mundane &#8211; e.g., a bipedal cow, a bear running on two legs or a ten-foot-tall actor &#8211; is automatically the most likely one, regardless of how real-life whacko it actually is; (2) the absence of fossils proves it isn&#8217;t real&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;.  <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I find Temperance Brennan to be one of the more annoying characters I have ever seen on screen.  She makes Mr. Spock look and sound like a goodtime bar buddy.  Booth, though, I really like.  You saw a yeti, man.  Stick to your guns.  You might enjoy a beer with Peter Matthiesssen.</p>
<p>(From personal experience, I know.  He would.)</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 00:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was fun. It&#039;s a cool show even if they do (like other forensics shows) have all the newest equipment imaginable and sometimes stretch the bounds of what such equipment can decipher. There&#039;s an interesting philosophical tension between Booth and Bones in addition to the romantic one: Bones is an atheist, Booth a Catholic, and they have had their clashes on the value of belief. On this one, Booth was hurt Bones doubted he&#039;d seen a yeti, but at the end of the show he teases her by hinting it was maybe - or maybe not - a lie.   On the whole, the episode was well done, with some of the scientifically trained characters endosing cryptozoology although displaying various degrees of seriousness about the chupacabra. Bones complains to the tabloid TV host that he&#039;s starting with the conclusion and working backward, which, while certainly not true of all cryptozoologists, is a trap even the best-intentioned people can fall into.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was fun. It&#8217;s a cool show even if they do (like other forensics shows) have all the newest equipment imaginable and sometimes stretch the bounds of what such equipment can decipher. There&#8217;s an interesting philosophical tension between Booth and Bones in addition to the romantic one: Bones is an atheist, Booth a Catholic, and they have had their clashes on the value of belief. On this one, Booth was hurt Bones doubted he&#8217;d seen a yeti, but at the end of the show he teases her by hinting it was maybe &#8211; or maybe not &#8211; a lie.   On the whole, the episode was well done, with some of the scientifically trained characters endosing cryptozoology although displaying various degrees of seriousness about the chupacabra. Bones complains to the tabloid TV host that he&#8217;s starting with the conclusion and working backward, which, while certainly not true of all cryptozoologists, is a trap even the best-intentioned people can fall into.</p>
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