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Sumatran Rhinos Are Living Fossils

Posted by: Loren Coleman on September 12th, 2006

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Zoologist Darren Naish has written a thoughtful essay on “Are Sumatran Rhinos Really Living Fossil?”

His blog is in response to my comments on the “living fossil” issue, discussed here. I disagree with Naish’s restrictive parameters, of course, as I see this more an issue of educational semantics influenced by zoology, not ruled by it. Darren Naish’s approach is worthy of your attention and he has every right to his very informed point of view.

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Needless to say, in this case, I was employing the “living fossil” definition that this rhino species is “a living species/clade with many ‘primitive’ characteristics in appearance, in which the species has many ancestral characteristics (plesiomorphies).”

Most discussions of the Sumatran rhinoceros (Dicerorhinus) give credence to the notion that they display traits of and links to the Ice Age wooly rhinoceros (Coelodonta antiquitatis). [The Family Rhinocerotidae developed in the Late Eocene Epoch (55 to 36 million years ago) or Early Oligocene Epoch (36 to 22.5 million years ago) and spread across North America, Asia, Europe and Africa. The woolly rhinoceros appeared during the Mid-Pleistocene Epoch (about 500,000 years ago) in eastern Asia.] The Asian Rhino Specialist Group, for example, notes in their materials that the Sumatran is the last representative of the wooly rhino.

I will continue to use the “living fossil” phrase to highlight the points I wish to make, just as Charles Darwin, E. O. Wilson, Willy Ley, Bernard Heuvelmans, and Ivan T. Sanderson have before me.

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twocentsworth responds: September 12th, 2006 at 1:08 pm
I’ll go with the term “Living Fossil.” For us non-scientist lay folks, the term accurately describes what is being referred to, a living representative that is extremely close in appearance and remarkably resembles the ancient fossil record for any given animal (or plant(i.e. the Dawn Redwood of China).

I fish for Sturgeon occasionally (catch and release). That marine animal is referred to as a *living fossil* by many fisherpersons (note the PC!) and guides on the North American West Coast due to the fact that that the fossil record of Sturgeon has changed little, if any, in over 200,000,000 years. That’s right, two hundred million years! “Living Fossil” works just fine for me.

Darren Naish seems to be a nice British fellow. My experience with the Brits (and this is not intended as an insult!) is that Brits in the Professional Ranks tend to be “Proper and Formal” all the time. True gentlemen and ladies. We just ain’t that way on this side of the pond!

As for the Sumatran Rhino, very cool animal! I had not seen a photo of one or heard of one prior to this post.

This site is far better than re-runs on the Discovery Channel!
Kelly responds: September 12th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
When I first saw a picture of a Sumatran rhino I thought of it as being a small version of a wooly rhino as a passing thought.
shill responds: September 12th, 2006 at 2:50 pm
I agree with Darren. The term “living fossil” always bothered me. For one, it is an oxymoron - you can’t be living and a fossil at the same time. And two, I never understood what it meant. Turns out I was not alone. It means whatever you want it to mean which makes it a fluid cultural term and not a scientific one no matter who previously used it. As Darren’s excellent essay points out, we use the term discriminantly, applying it to some animals and not others that may be deserving. Perhaps that’s why it rubs me the wrong way and I won’t ever label a creature as such. It promotes misunderstanding.
crypto_randz responds: September 12th, 2006 at 5:55 pm
I guess we sometimes get very carried away when we use the phrase a living fossil, referring to a good discovery, but in this case, I will call this great discovery a living fossil.

Now only if a living wooly mammoth is to be alive and well, but that’s only hopeful.
jayman responds: September 12th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
The Wooly Rhino, a Pleistocene animal of the Ice Age megafauna, may have survived until about 10,000 years ago in Siberia.
youcantryreachingme responds: September 12th, 2006 at 8:24 pm
“Living fossil” to me implies something that’s been around for a long, long, long time, especially if we’ve only recently discovered it.
shumway10973 responds: September 13th, 2006 at 1:16 am
Shill, you’re right about not able to be a fossil and living at the same time, but the reason for the term is completely because men of science are so sure of themselves that they will find fossils, and because they have never seen one, it must be extinct. We have several “living fossils” around the world. What I think we need to look at are the similarities and differences of both creatures. I know someone above mentioned size, but the fact that something so big went all this time without being discovered gives hope that soon other things will be discovered.
Tengu responds: September 13th, 2006 at 4:02 am
It is a “well, ‘just’ what ‘do’ you mean by that” term.

I’d apply it to something really ancient with just a few modern representatives myself. (say, a monotreme)

If you’re going to apply it to something pliestiocene (did I spell that right??) then that mean beasts like reindeer, wolves, and us are living fossils.
Randy in CT responds: September 13th, 2006 at 9:13 am
twocentsworth: Try “angler” instead. Less cumbersome.
crgintx responds: September 13th, 2006 at 2:44 pm
My take on this photo is that the rhino population is now so inbred that its reawakened its wooly rhino gene from it’s original ancestor. I believe that these wooly rhinos are on the verge of extinction once again.
twocentsworth responds: September 13th, 2006 at 5:48 pm
Randy in CT:
Yep, angler works just fine…but I like to use words like “fisherperson” to poke a little self-indulgent sarcasm at our PC world. Another term I like is “fireperson.” That one just cracks me up for some twisted reason! Back to the term “living fossil.” Technically an oxymoron, true enough, but one that is widley used, generally accepted and understood. It is used in many lay discussions for descriptive purposes and works well. My general poor attitude toward our current PC world would make me a “living fossil” for sure! That must make me an oxymoron - or maybe just plain moron? I’m OK with that!
shill responds: September 14th, 2006 at 7:01 pm
shumway10973, you are off the mark. If you paid attention, you would have seen that this animal was not just discovered, it was rediscovered. And, your comment about “men of science” is ridiculous. Men and women of science are not so sure of themselves - they are perfectly willing to change their opinions but it must be based on evidence. The more I find out, the less it seems like I know. That’s the way a scientific mind works.
cor2879 responds: September 16th, 2006 at 12:11 pm
The croc hunter had a Sumatran Rhino on his show once. Amazing animals. Not aggressive or anything like the huge white rhinos you find in Africa. It’s a shame they are on the verge of extinction.

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