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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rkking23,

My heart goes out to your family. Mr. Getz must have been a really interesting and fun person to know. From all appearances, he died doing what he loved. May he rest in peace.</description>
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<p>My heart goes out to your family. Mr. Getz must have been a really interesting and fun person to know. From all appearances, he died doing what he loved. May he rest in peace.</p>
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		<title>By: rkking23</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That man, was my cousin. Please keep the family in your thoughts and prayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That man, was my cousin. Please keep the family in your thoughts and prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Unknown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt; ... anecdotally it is because they are sterile and don’t have high testosterone levels. I don’t know if any studies back that up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Neither do I, Kittenz. If all hybrids were, as a rule, neutered, because they could not be used for breeding, there would be some precedence for this belief (Was this liger, I wonder?). Other wise, why would a hybrid be less aggressive?

By far, the most aggressive animal I can ever recall was - a hybrid. Due to his ignorance of livestock, the father of a friend once bought home from auction an adorable, little  mini-mule as a &quot;big surprise&quot; for his daughter. Before it could be subdued by several strong men with ropes, and put in (first) a masonry walled shed (it broke most of the high placed windows out, and kicked down a solid wooden door), and finally, a stout, metal-pipe cattle pen (that it also mangle beyond repair), it managed to injure both him and several of his helpers, and to take down a carport, as well as several backyard fences. The cute, shaggy, 5-year-old, miniature mule turned out to be a fully &quot;intact&quot; stud, and not a gelding (a neutered male equine). I shudder to think what a full-sized mule stud would be capable of. 

This is pretty much why it is not really known if male horseXdonkey hybrids are ever fertile. Though, mare mules have been found to be, on extremely rare occasions, since spaying a female equine has been, up to quite recently, cost prohibitive.

My prayers go out to Peter Getz&#039; family, and the people at the rescue sanctuary. As financial times get more challenging, I fear that the risk of doing good, will get more challenging as well. Keeping any animal in less than adequate facilities may become an &quot;above and beyond ...&quot; mission. Sad. Very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p> &#8230; anecdotally it is because they are sterile and don’t have high testosterone levels. I don’t know if any studies back that up.</p></blockquote>
<p>Neither do I, Kittenz. If all hybrids were, as a rule, neutered, because they could not be used for breeding, there would be some precedence for this belief (Was this liger, I wonder?). Other wise, why would a hybrid be less aggressive?</p>
<p>By far, the most aggressive animal I can ever recall was &#8211; a hybrid. Due to his ignorance of livestock, the father of a friend once bought home from auction an adorable, little  mini-mule as a &#8220;big surprise&#8221; for his daughter. Before it could be subdued by several strong men with ropes, and put in (first) a masonry walled shed (it broke most of the high placed windows out, and kicked down a solid wooden door), and finally, a stout, metal-pipe cattle pen (that it also mangle beyond repair), it managed to injure both him and several of his helpers, and to take down a carport, as well as several backyard fences. The cute, shaggy, 5-year-old, miniature mule turned out to be a fully &#8220;intact&#8221; stud, and not a gelding (a neutered male equine). I shudder to think what a full-sized mule stud would be capable of. </p>
<p>This is pretty much why it is not really known if male horseXdonkey hybrids are ever fertile. Though, mare mules have been found to be, on extremely rare occasions, since spaying a female equine has been, up to quite recently, cost prohibitive.</p>
<p>My prayers go out to Peter Getz&#8217; family, and the people at the rescue sanctuary. As financial times get more challenging, I fear that the risk of doing good, will get more challenging as well. Keeping any animal in less than adequate facilities may become an &#8220;above and beyond &#8230;&#8221; mission. Sad. Very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Ole Bub</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a sad note....

Rocky&#039;s keeper, Peter getz, died last night from the injuries he suffered.

I live within a few miles of  Safari&#039;s Exotic Sanctuary, the fate of &quot;Rocky&quot; the Liger is uncertain at this point.   Safari, has a commendable record of providing large exotic animal rescue and sanctuary. 

It is believed feeding deer roadkill may have excited Rocky to attack his keeper...according to Dr. Dan Danner, a local large animal Vet who performs volunteer work at the Sanctuary.

Rescue...the gift of life...

ole bub and the dawgs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a sad note&#8230;.</p>
<p>Rocky&#8217;s keeper, Peter getz, died last night from the injuries he suffered.</p>
<p>I live within a few miles of  Safari&#8217;s Exotic Sanctuary, the fate of &#8220;Rocky&#8221; the Liger is uncertain at this point.   Safari, has a commendable record of providing large exotic animal rescue and sanctuary. </p>
<p>It is believed feeding deer roadkill may have excited Rocky to attack his keeper&#8230;according to Dr. Dan Danner, a local large animal Vet who performs volunteer work at the Sanctuary.</p>
<p>Rescue&#8230;the gift of life&#8230;</p>
<p>ole bub and the dawgs</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kittenz- I couldn&#039;t have said it any better. I will say that although ligers are thought to be less aggressive on the whole, they also display more psychological problems than other big cats. This is due primarily to the difference between the social habits of lions and tigers, lions being social animals and tigers being solitary. When you get hybrids from two distinctly different sets of instincts like this, you run the risk of the animal becoming confused, depressed, and displaying a wide range of mental problems. Add to this the fact that captivity can cause added stress, and I&#039;d be willing to say that one of these problems could have possibly contributed to the sudden attack.

A lot of times, these captive big cats and other animals such as chimpanzees and elephants seem very tame and friendly towards people, which can instill a sense of complacency when working with them. What needs to be remembered is that these are wild animals, with strong instincts and often unpredictable behavior. As Kittenz mentioned, even dogs, which have been bred over many generations to be domestic animals, can attack under the right circumstances and this is especially true of wild animals (and yes, even captive bred tigers or lions are wild animals). They should ALWAYS be treated with caution and respect, no matter how cuddly and tame they seem.

This is really a tragic story. I wonder what they will do with the cat. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kittenz- I couldn&#8217;t have said it any better. I will say that although ligers are thought to be less aggressive on the whole, they also display more psychological problems than other big cats. This is due primarily to the difference between the social habits of lions and tigers, lions being social animals and tigers being solitary. When you get hybrids from two distinctly different sets of instincts like this, you run the risk of the animal becoming confused, depressed, and displaying a wide range of mental problems. Add to this the fact that captivity can cause added stress, and I&#8217;d be willing to say that one of these problems could have possibly contributed to the sudden attack.</p>
<p>A lot of times, these captive big cats and other animals such as chimpanzees and elephants seem very tame and friendly towards people, which can instill a sense of complacency when working with them. What needs to be remembered is that these are wild animals, with strong instincts and often unpredictable behavior. As Kittenz mentioned, even dogs, which have been bred over many generations to be domestic animals, can attack under the right circumstances and this is especially true of wild animals (and yes, even captive bred tigers or lions are wild animals). They should ALWAYS be treated with caution and respect, no matter how cuddly and tame they seem.</p>
<p>This is really a tragic story. I wonder what they will do with the cat. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just goes to show that you can&#039;t make sweeping generalizations about &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; kind of animal. Even where it&#039;s true that a certain percentage of any given species exhibits any given behavioral traits, there are always some individuals and some situations that are different. 

I don&#039;t have any personal experience with ligers, but I will say that the worst dog bite I ever had was from a friendly dog. Friendly chow (I know, lots of people think that is an oxymoron, but he &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt;); I had been taking care of him for nearly a decade, but apparently he was having a bad day that day, and in a flash, before either his owner or I could react, he made hamburger of my forearm. I also think of my own cat Halloween, who likes to nibble toes and sometimes gets a little too enthusiastic. Even a baby lion a few weeks old can lay your hand open. 

I hope they don&#039;t kill the cat, but if the enclosures are not top-quality, and they can&#039;t afford to upgrade them, they should really consider placing the liger in a more secure facility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just goes to show that you can&#8217;t make sweeping generalizations about <em>any</em> kind of animal. Even where it&#8217;s true that a certain percentage of any given species exhibits any given behavioral traits, there are always some individuals and some situations that are different. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any personal experience with ligers, but I will say that the worst dog bite I ever had was from a friendly dog. Friendly chow (I know, lots of people think that is an oxymoron, but he <em>was</em>); I had been taking care of him for nearly a decade, but apparently he was having a bad day that day, and in a flash, before either his owner or I could react, he made hamburger of my forearm. I also think of my own cat Halloween, who likes to nibble toes and sometimes gets a little too enthusiastic. Even a baby lion a few weeks old can lay your hand open. </p>
<p>I hope they don&#8217;t kill the cat, but if the enclosures are not top-quality, and they can&#8217;t afford to upgrade them, they should really consider placing the liger in a more secure facility.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Kittenz, opinion runs the full range, regarding whether or not ligers are more aggressive vs less aggressive.  The complex nature of hybrids usually falls on the side of more caution, however, and what you say about the mere inability to control such a huge animal may be the source of some written statements on their aggression.

Deb: &lt;em&gt;What are you drawing?&lt;/em&gt; 
Napoleon Dynamite: &lt;em&gt;A liger.&lt;/em&gt;
Deb: &lt;em&gt;What&#039;s a liger?&lt;/em&gt;
Napoleon Dynamite: &lt;em&gt;It&#039;s pretty much my favorite animal. It&#039;s like a lion and a tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Kittenz, opinion runs the full range, regarding whether or not ligers are more aggressive vs less aggressive.  The complex nature of hybrids usually falls on the side of more caution, however, and what you say about the mere inability to control such a huge animal may be the source of some written statements on their aggression.</p>
<p>Deb: <em>What are you drawing?</em><br />
Napoleon Dynamite: <em>A liger.</em><br />
Deb: <em>What&#8217;s a liger?</em><br />
Napoleon Dynamite: <em>It&#8217;s pretty much my favorite animal. It&#8217;s like a lion and a tiger mixed&#8230; bred for its skills in magic.</em></p>
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		<title>By: flitzanu</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very unfortunate indeed.  this park is in my area outside of Tulsa, i&#039;ve been there a few times.  and i will say, this Liger is BIIIIIGGG.  and in no insult to the park, remember it&#039;s all volunteer work and donations, so they aren&#039;t in top-quality enclosures.  i&#039;m sure that in itself makes things much more dangerous for the amazing people that help these animals.

if i remember correctly, one of the anecdotes told was Rocky enjoys playing with bowling balls, and apparently has cracked a couple in his jaws before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very unfortunate indeed.  this park is in my area outside of Tulsa, i&#8217;ve been there a few times.  and i will say, this Liger is BIIIIIGGG.  and in no insult to the park, remember it&#8217;s all volunteer work and donations, so they aren&#8217;t in top-quality enclosures.  i&#8217;m sure that in itself makes things much more dangerous for the amazing people that help these animals.</p>
<p>if i remember correctly, one of the anecdotes told was Rocky enjoys playing with bowling balls, and apparently has cracked a couple in his jaws before.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ligers - male ligers anyway - are usually thought to be much &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; aggressive than other big cats - anecdotally it is because they are sterile and don&#039;t have high testosterone levels. I don&#039;t know if any studies back that up. 

What&#039;s important to remember is that &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; large, powerful animal can hurt or kill a person - even though hurting or killing a person may not have been its intent. I mean think about it. Lots of people can&#039;t even handle a big dog - and a cat pound for pound is much stronger and more agile than a dog of the same size. Even a tame 10-pound housecat can inflict serious injuries to a person. Magnify that 10-pound cat by about seventy and you get some indication of the size of a male liger - and they can get much larger even than that. Catch that otherwise placid big cat on a bad day, and even a slap or snap can easily kill a human. People have been seriously injured or killed by big cats, even when it was obvious that the big cat was just playing. They&#039;re inherently dangerous animals.

I hope that Mr. Getz recovers quickly and without incident. What a terrible thing to have happen to someone who apparently was an experienced, caring animal handler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ligers &#8211; male ligers anyway &#8211; are usually thought to be much <em>less</em> aggressive than other big cats &#8211; anecdotally it is because they are sterile and don&#8217;t have high testosterone levels. I don&#8217;t know if any studies back that up. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s important to remember is that <em>any</em> large, powerful animal can hurt or kill a person &#8211; even though hurting or killing a person may not have been its intent. I mean think about it. Lots of people can&#8217;t even handle a big dog &#8211; and a cat pound for pound is much stronger and more agile than a dog of the same size. Even a tame 10-pound housecat can inflict serious injuries to a person. Magnify that 10-pound cat by about seventy and you get some indication of the size of a male liger &#8211; and they can get much larger even than that. Catch that otherwise placid big cat on a bad day, and even a slap or snap can easily kill a human. People have been seriously injured or killed by big cats, even when it was obvious that the big cat was just playing. They&#8217;re inherently dangerous animals.</p>
<p>I hope that Mr. Getz recovers quickly and without incident. What a terrible thing to have happen to someone who apparently was an experienced, caring animal handler.</p>
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		<title>By: shumway10973</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to hear that.  I&#039;d hate to see anything happen to the big thing.</description>
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