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		<title>by: ukulelemike</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesser-knowns/#comment-50063</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I live in a small area of Northern California, called Herlong. I have heard stories of the Herlong Sage Monkey, a tiny, tail-less monkey-type creature, maybe a foot tall, with a fine fur the color of the local sagebrush. because of their size and coloration, they are virtually never seen. Heck, the antelope can stand around in the sagebrush and not be seen. I live out in the desert and have yet to see one, but you never know; the desert is a big place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in a small area of Northern California, called Herlong. I have heard stories of the Herlong Sage Monkey, a tiny, tail-less monkey-type creature, maybe a foot tall, with a fine fur the color of the local sagebrush. because of their size and coloration, they are virtually never seen. Heck, the antelope can stand around in the sagebrush and not be seen. I live out in the desert and have yet to see one, but you never know; the desert is a big place.
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		<title>by: Terry W. Colvin</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesser-knowns/#comment-46363</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 19:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I spent many vacations at my Grandma's house alongside the White River just west of Petersburg, Indiana.  I don't recall any mention of these creatures.

I forwarded this e-mail to my cousin Chris who may know something.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent many vacations at my Grandma&#8217;s house alongside the White River just west of Petersburg, Indiana.  I don&#8217;t recall any mention of these creatures.</p>
<p>I forwarded this e-mail to my cousin Chris who may know something.</p>
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		<title>by: Amdusias</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesser-knowns/#comment-46330</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Puckwudgies.

Little three feet tall folks, covered in slick fur that take over beaver-dams, and steal shirts off of clothes lines. (that would be a full garment for a tiny person, and presumably they don't have a textile industry of their own..) They live up and down the White River in Indiana, and are responsible for making the "arrow shot" or tiny arrow heads that most anthropologists call "ritual objects". 

I grew up hearing about them, and the older folks in my family all swear by them. They used to get into the barns in Beanblossom Indiana, and give birth, then run back to the river. 

The only place I have ever seen them published is in Fate magazine, but I grew up taking for granted that they were real. From my great-grandmother: "Oh heavens yes, the puckwudgies, when I was a little girl pa found a mess of 'em in the hay loft, as they do when one of 'ems givin' birth....daddy killed 'em with a shovel...some nights I still think I can hear 'em a screamin'...."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Puckwudgies.</p>
<p>Little three feet tall folks, covered in slick fur that take over beaver-dams, and steal shirts off of clothes lines. (that would be a full garment for a tiny person, and presumably they don&#8217;t have a textile industry of their own..) They live up and down the White River in Indiana, and are responsible for making the &#8220;arrow shot&#8221; or tiny arrow heads that most anthropologists call &#8220;ritual objects&#8221;. </p>
<p>I grew up hearing about them, and the older folks in my family all swear by them. They used to get into the barns in Beanblossom Indiana, and give birth, then run back to the river. </p>
<p>The only place I have ever seen them published is in Fate magazine, but I grew up taking for granted that they were real. From my great-grandmother: &#8220;Oh heavens yes, the puckwudgies, when I was a little girl pa found a mess of &#8216;em in the hay loft, as they do when one of &#8216;ems givin&#8217; birth&#8230;.daddy killed &#8216;em with a shovel&#8230;some nights I still think I can hear &#8216;em a screamin&#8217;&#8230;.&#8221;
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		<title>by: timbo21</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesser-knowns/#comment-36098</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Anyone ever hear of the God Bear of Kamchatka? This bear is said to measure 9 feet tall at the shoulder (that's standing on all 4's) and weighs in at over 2000 lbs. My other favorites include the mysterious 30 foot long plus Great White Shark, the 40 foot long monitor lizard that lives in New Guinea and the giant sea turtle that is said to measure 40 feet long and has a shell that measures 30 feet high. There is no evidence that any of these animals ever existed. The Short Faced Bear is the largest bear that ever lived but died out about 10,000 years ago. The largest monitor lizard was Megalania. It lived in Australia. The largest sea turtle was Archelon that lived during the Cretaceous Period. It measured just over 13 feet long. And my favorite cryptid stories are those of giant great whites. I love sharks. The Great White Shark is my favorite. According to eye witnesses these sharks measure between 30 to 40 feet in length. If you believe the stories they've been caught in nets, harpooned and even landed by rod and reel. Yeah right! Then there is the story of the 115 foot shark sighted off Broughton Island, Queensland Australia. The largest great white measured only 21 feet. The biggest predatory shark that ever lived was Megeladon. It measured 50 feet or more. However Megaladon died out 2 million years ago. The Meg is my favorite prehistoric animal. The super predator of all time. But they are extinct. With the exception of Megeladon, no specimens, teeth, credible photographs or video images exist that prove that any of the above cryptids ever existed. I think the stories of ape-men, sea serpents, lake monsters and unknown animals are myth. Until real evidence emerges, I will still have doubt about the existence of these animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone ever hear of the God Bear of Kamchatka? This bear is said to measure 9 feet tall at the shoulder (that&#8217;s standing on all 4&#8217;s) and weighs in at over 2000 lbs. My other favorites include the mysterious 30 foot long plus Great White Shark, the 40 foot long monitor lizard that lives in New Guinea and the giant sea turtle that is said to measure 40 feet long and has a shell that measures 30 feet high. There is no evidence that any of these animals ever existed. The Short Faced Bear is the largest bear that ever lived but died out about 10,000 years ago. The largest monitor lizard was Megalania. It lived in Australia. The largest sea turtle was Archelon that lived during the Cretaceous Period. It measured just over 13 feet long. And my favorite cryptid stories are those of giant great whites. I love sharks. The Great White Shark is my favorite. According to eye witnesses these sharks measure between 30 to 40 feet in length. If you believe the stories they&#8217;ve been caught in nets, harpooned and even landed by rod and reel. Yeah right! Then there is the story of the 115 foot shark sighted off Broughton Island, Queensland Australia. The largest great white measured only 21 feet. The biggest predatory shark that ever lived was Megeladon. It measured 50 feet or more. However Megaladon died out 2 million years ago. The Meg is my favorite prehistoric animal. The super predator of all time. But they are extinct. With the exception of Megeladon, no specimens, teeth, credible photographs or video images exist that prove that any of the above cryptids ever existed. I think the stories of ape-men, sea serpents, lake monsters and unknown animals are myth. Until real evidence emerges, I will still have doubt about the existence of these animal.
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		<title>by: timbo21</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesser-knowns/#comment-36097</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My list includes stories of giant sea turtles that are said to measure over 40 feet in lenght and the New Guinea lizard that is said to be a 30 foot long monitor lizard. The largest sea turtle that ever lived was Archelon that swam the seas during the Jurassic Period. It was 12 feet long. I doubt that a turtle the size of a whale ever exsisted. The largest known monitor lizard was Megalania.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My list includes stories of giant sea turtles that are said to measure over 40 feet in lenght and the New Guinea lizard that is said to be a 30 foot long monitor lizard. The largest sea turtle that ever lived was Archelon that swam the seas during the Jurassic Period. It was 12 feet long. I doubt that a turtle the size of a whale ever exsisted. The largest known monitor lizard was Megalania.
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		<title>by: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesser-knowns/#comment-35332</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>MrAtomicEmonster- Yes, I still think there is a likelihood that the tsuchinoko is an old legend. There are some intriguing aspects to the story, but as my posts have alluded, I am a bit skeptical that it could be real. Most Japanese these days would scoff at the idea that it is a real creature, but yet the sightings persist. I am interested in getting to the bottom of how the stories all started and why the sightings endure to this day. Funnily enough, a few years ago, there was said to be a tsuchinoko that was actually captured and put on display. Last I heard, it was due to be tested although I have waited for further developments, I have heard nothing since then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MrAtomicEmonster- Yes, I still think there is a likelihood that the tsuchinoko is an old legend. There are some intriguing aspects to the story, but as my posts have alluded, I am a bit skeptical that it could be real. Most Japanese these days would scoff at the idea that it is a real creature, but yet the sightings persist. I am interested in getting to the bottom of how the stories all started and why the sightings endure to this day. Funnily enough, a few years ago, there was said to be a tsuchinoko that was actually captured and put on display. Last I heard, it was due to be tested although I have waited for further developments, I have heard nothing since then.
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		<title>by: AtomicMrEMonster</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesser-knowns/#comment-35329</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>mystery_man:

Wow, I didn't know this thread was still going, so I apologize for the late reply.  Anyway, thanks for clearing things up about there being recent tsuchinoko sightings.  The wording in one of your earlier posts made it sound like (at least to me) the tsuchinoko was just an old legend, like unicorns in European folklore.</description>
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<p>Wow, I didn&#8217;t know this thread was still going, so I apologize for the late reply.  Anyway, thanks for clearing things up about there being recent tsuchinoko sightings.  The wording in one of your earlier posts made it sound like (at least to me) the tsuchinoko was just an old legend, like unicorns in European folklore.
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		<title>by: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesser-knowns/#comment-35280</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mnynames- The kappa is a creature that I tend to feel ranks as a mostly folkloric entity, up there with other creatures like the centaur that you mentioned. The kappa was mostly considered a fairly malevolent water imp that was known for its mischief and evil deeds. In order to feed, it was said to drag all manner of animals and even humans into the water with its supernatural strength and proceed to suck out their entrails, leaving only a husk. If you were to battle a kappa, it was said that you should cause it to spill the water in the cup in its head in order to weaken it. Even so, the kappa was said to be benevolent at times and is credited with teaching humans the medical practice of bonesetting. The kappa is featured in many, many Japanese myths and fables and is attributed a great many characteristics that seem very unlikely for an actual creature to have. Again, it is a creature with which it is hard to discern any possible facts from fiction, especially since the stories go back so far and have changed over the ages.

I do feel that there could be a real animal somewhere behind the stories, as definitely there are real Japanese animals that seem downright magical if one is to look at the folklore attached to them. The kitsune (fox) that you mention features heavily in Japanese myth and is a prominent fixture of countless old tales. The fox was said to be the servant of the rice god, Inari, and is prominently represented in shrines devoted to this deity. Kitsune were also said to have many evil powers, such as the power to possess an unsuspecting person's soul, and there were actually exorcism rites for dealing with those possessed in such a way by foxes. All this despite the fact that it is a very real creature. The same goes for the extinct Japanese wolf, the tanuki, Japanese monkeys, snakes, and others. So with the kappa, who knows? Maybe there is some sort unknown animal, a grain of reality at the heart of these stories, but it is hard to say what it could be when considering the outlandish properties it is said to have.

I personally feel that although sightings of the kappa continue to this day, they tend to be in a category somewhere along the lines of sightings of little green men. The sightings are not usually incredibly reliable in my opinion and they are not very frequent, so i take them with a grain of salt. While I will say there is the chance that a real animal lies at the core of the myths, I tend to feel that this is likely a folkloric creature we are dealing with here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mnynames- The kappa is a creature that I tend to feel ranks as a mostly folkloric entity, up there with other creatures like the centaur that you mentioned. The kappa was mostly considered a fairly malevolent water imp that was known for its mischief and evil deeds. In order to feed, it was said to drag all manner of animals and even humans into the water with its supernatural strength and proceed to suck out their entrails, leaving only a husk. If you were to battle a kappa, it was said that you should cause it to spill the water in the cup in its head in order to weaken it. Even so, the kappa was said to be benevolent at times and is credited with teaching humans the medical practice of bonesetting. The kappa is featured in many, many Japanese myths and fables and is attributed a great many characteristics that seem very unlikely for an actual creature to have. Again, it is a creature with which it is hard to discern any possible facts from fiction, especially since the stories go back so far and have changed over the ages.</p>
<p>I do feel that there could be a real animal somewhere behind the stories, as definitely there are real Japanese animals that seem downright magical if one is to look at the folklore attached to them. The kitsune (fox) that you mention features heavily in Japanese myth and is a prominent fixture of countless old tales. The fox was said to be the servant of the rice god, Inari, and is prominently represented in shrines devoted to this deity. Kitsune were also said to have many evil powers, such as the power to possess an unsuspecting person&#8217;s soul, and there were actually exorcism rites for dealing with those possessed in such a way by foxes. All this despite the fact that it is a very real creature. The same goes for the extinct Japanese wolf, the tanuki, Japanese monkeys, snakes, and others. So with the kappa, who knows? Maybe there is some sort unknown animal, a grain of reality at the heart of these stories, but it is hard to say what it could be when considering the outlandish properties it is said to have.</p>
<p>I personally feel that although sightings of the kappa continue to this day, they tend to be in a category somewhere along the lines of sightings of little green men. The sightings are not usually incredibly reliable in my opinion and they are not very frequent, so i take them with a grain of salt. While I will say there is the chance that a real animal lies at the core of the myths, I tend to feel that this is likely a folkloric creature we are dealing with here.
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		<title>by: Mnynames</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesser-knowns/#comment-35251</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In thinking on the matter, my list of neglected cryptids seems to include a lot that are likely to be extinct, so I suppose I'm approaching the subject with a slightly more historical frame of mind (At least tonight).  Ones that intrigue me, and seem likely, are the Shunka Wara'kin, Izcuintlipotzotli, Camazotz, Atlas Bear, Irkuiem, Bai-Xiong, Nandi, Dobhar Cu, Bunyip, Waitoreke, Megalodon, Sapo de Loma, and Earth hound (The Bosnian Beast?).  The Thylacine, Almas, and Sasquatch would be on this list too, were they not talked about so frequently.

Someone with enough time could probably develop quite a case for the Wodewose/Wudewasa (European Wild Man) being an unknown hominid wiped out by encroaching humanity.  After all, someone's already tried to prove he's Santa Claus.

Ones that intrigue me, and just seem freaky, would be the Hide, Lindorms, Minhocao, Mulilo, Beast of 'Busco, Flying snakes, the Giant Salmon of Lake Hanas, Giant Toads of Hubei Province, Sanderson's bioluminescent lizards, bioluminescent frogs seen by Jonathan Downes, Tatzelwurm, Loveland Frogmen, Steller's Sea Ape, and of course, Trunko.  The Yowie and Skunk Ape would be on here too, except they still get good press.

I could go on, but I think I've already won the award for #1 cryptid name-dropper on this thread!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In thinking on the matter, my list of neglected cryptids seems to include a lot that are likely to be extinct, so I suppose I&#8217;m approaching the subject with a slightly more historical frame of mind (At least tonight).  Ones that intrigue me, and seem likely, are the Shunka Wara&#8217;kin, Izcuintlipotzotli, Camazotz, Atlas Bear, Irkuiem, Bai-Xiong, Nandi, Dobhar Cu, Bunyip, Waitoreke, Megalodon, Sapo de Loma, and Earth hound (The Bosnian Beast?).  The Thylacine, Almas, and Sasquatch would be on this list too, were they not talked about so frequently.</p>
<p>Someone with enough time could probably develop quite a case for the Wodewose/Wudewasa (European Wild Man) being an unknown hominid wiped out by encroaching humanity.  After all, someone&#8217;s already tried to prove he&#8217;s Santa Claus.</p>
<p>Ones that intrigue me, and just seem freaky, would be the Hide, Lindorms, Minhocao, Mulilo, Beast of &#8216;Busco, Flying snakes, the Giant Salmon of Lake Hanas, Giant Toads of Hubei Province, Sanderson&#8217;s bioluminescent lizards, bioluminescent frogs seen by Jonathan Downes, Tatzelwurm, Loveland Frogmen, Steller&#8217;s Sea Ape, and of course, Trunko.  The Yowie and Skunk Ape would be on here too, except they still get good press.</p>
<p>I could go on, but I think I&#8217;ve already won the award for #1 cryptid name-dropper on this thread!
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		<title>by: Mnynames</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/lesser-knowns/#comment-35247</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't mean to open up a can of Tsuchinoko here, but if I may pose a question to our resident Japanese cryptid expert (And that's not a dig, it's a compliment), what's your take on the Kappa?

I first learned of it through my readings on Japanese mythology, and years later, was quite surprised to see it considered by some to be a possible cryptid (Kind of like saying centaurs or satyrs are cryptids...then again, people are still seeing them too).

As for the Japanese ascribing mystical powers to conventional animals, I know that the fox is in a category all its own when it comes to that sort of thing, yet nobody disputes that they exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to open up a can of Tsuchinoko here, but if I may pose a question to our resident Japanese cryptid expert (And that&#8217;s not a dig, it&#8217;s a compliment), what&#8217;s your take on the Kappa?</p>
<p>I first learned of it through my readings on Japanese mythology, and years later, was quite surprised to see it considered by some to be a possible cryptid (Kind of like saying centaurs or satyrs are cryptids&#8230;then again, people are still seeing them too).</p>
<p>As for the Japanese ascribing mystical powers to conventional animals, I know that the fox is in a category all its own when it comes to that sort of thing, yet nobody disputes that they exist.
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