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		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Knights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I wrote, &quot;the &#039;good&#039; prints might be the worst (the most likely to have been hoaxed) and the &#039;bad&#039; prints might be the best (unlikely to have been hoaxed),&quot; I should have used the term &quot;trackway&quot; rather than &quot;prints.&quot; (This is the reason I changed my title to include the phrase &quot;terrible trackway,&quot; from its earlier incarnation as &quot;Who&#039;d Hoax a Half-Print?&quot;)

(NOW a better title occurs to me: &quot;Faking a Poor Impression?&quot;)

As has been pointed out above, and as I mentioned myself, at a hoaxed site there may be &quot;accidentals&quot; that are poor quality, and/or there may be a few smudged prints thrown in to add authenticity, but few hoaxers would leave NO good prints, if they wanted to &quot;make an impression&quot;--and they would. And yet, as John Green mentioned in &quot;The Bigfoot File,&quot; years can go by without a trackway being reported that contains a &quot;good&quot; print.

When one thinks of a terrible trackway, one thinks of a set of prints that lacks even ONE clear, whole specimen.  Of course there may be incompetent hoaxers--but I don&#039;t think there&#039;d be many of them who couldn&#039;t even make a distinct and complete track outline. It&#039;s easy to make a basic stomper to create an impression in soft soil (sand, mud, loam) that a hoaxer could subsequently sculpt with hand-tools, as clay might be sculpted, to include dimpled toe-marks, etc. Just photocopy a footprint picture from a Bigfoot book, enlarge it on a photocopier, cut along its outline, lay the cut-outline on plywood (or neoprene—thanks for the tip, Matt), trace its edges with a marker, and cut along the line with a saber saw.

Hoaxers have easy opportunities to practice in their backyards and nearby, so they could do at least a half-decent job. They could then make tracks simply by pressing down on them by hand in soft sand or mud or snow. They would look good enough at first glance to attract enough attention to maybe make the newspaper--or at least to &quot;get a rise&quot; out of the initial passers-by, even if they failed to stand up to analysis, when the paper called in a local Bigfooter to critique them. Getting one of those reactions is what a hoaxer would want.

Daniel Loxton wrote, “But it seems to me that Knights and other crypto folks misstep when they assume that all fake sasquatch tracks should be either very good or very bad.” That’s a bit of a straw-man, at least in my case. My claim wasn’t that hoaxed prints should all be “very good,” but that they shouldn’t all be terrible. Why should nearly all trackways found include nothing but 3-F prints (faint, fuzzy, or fragmented), if they are being hoaxed? One would expect a higher percentage of such trackways to contain at least one print that was unambiguous, or even half-decent. Many hoaxers would TRY to achieve something that would “make an impression”—and the only way to do that is with at least one unambiguous (non-faint, non-fuzzy, non-fragmented) print.

Having said all that, it&#039;s just occurred to me that there&#039;s one set of circumstances where a hoaxer might deliberately create smudged or partial prints: Where one of his neighbors is a known Bigfooter who &quot;follows the creeks&quot; looking for tracks. A hoaxer who didn&#039;t want to go to a lot of trouble, and/or who suspected that he couldn&#039;t create a &quot;good&quot; fake, might make only blob-prints with the sole intention of getting a rise out of his neighbor, and maybe setting him off on a snipe hunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I wrote, &#8220;the &#8216;good&#8217; prints might be the worst (the most likely to have been hoaxed) and the &#8216;bad&#8217; prints might be the best (unlikely to have been hoaxed),&#8221; I should have used the term &#8220;trackway&#8221; rather than &#8220;prints.&#8221; (This is the reason I changed my title to include the phrase &#8220;terrible trackway,&#8221; from its earlier incarnation as &#8220;Who&#8217;d Hoax a Half-Print?&#8221;)</p>
<p>(NOW a better title occurs to me: &#8220;Faking a Poor Impression?&#8221;)</p>
<p>As has been pointed out above, and as I mentioned myself, at a hoaxed site there may be &#8220;accidentals&#8221; that are poor quality, and/or there may be a few smudged prints thrown in to add authenticity, but few hoaxers would leave NO good prints, if they wanted to &#8220;make an impression&#8221;&#8211;and they would. And yet, as John Green mentioned in &#8220;The Bigfoot File,&#8221; years can go by without a trackway being reported that contains a &#8220;good&#8221; print.</p>
<p>When one thinks of a terrible trackway, one thinks of a set of prints that lacks even ONE clear, whole specimen.  Of course there may be incompetent hoaxers&#8211;but I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;d be many of them who couldn&#8217;t even make a distinct and complete track outline. It&#8217;s easy to make a basic stomper to create an impression in soft soil (sand, mud, loam) that a hoaxer could subsequently sculpt with hand-tools, as clay might be sculpted, to include dimpled toe-marks, etc. Just photocopy a footprint picture from a Bigfoot book, enlarge it on a photocopier, cut along its outline, lay the cut-outline on plywood (or neoprene—thanks for the tip, Matt), trace its edges with a marker, and cut along the line with a saber saw.</p>
<p>Hoaxers have easy opportunities to practice in their backyards and nearby, so they could do at least a half-decent job. They could then make tracks simply by pressing down on them by hand in soft sand or mud or snow. They would look good enough at first glance to attract enough attention to maybe make the newspaper&#8211;or at least to &#8220;get a rise&#8221; out of the initial passers-by, even if they failed to stand up to analysis, when the paper called in a local Bigfooter to critique them. Getting one of those reactions is what a hoaxer would want.</p>
<p>Daniel Loxton wrote, “But it seems to me that Knights and other crypto folks misstep when they assume that all fake sasquatch tracks should be either very good or very bad.” That’s a bit of a straw-man, at least in my case. My claim wasn’t that hoaxed prints should all be “very good,” but that they shouldn’t all be terrible. Why should nearly all trackways found include nothing but 3-F prints (faint, fuzzy, or fragmented), if they are being hoaxed? One would expect a higher percentage of such trackways to contain at least one print that was unambiguous, or even half-decent. Many hoaxers would TRY to achieve something that would “make an impression”—and the only way to do that is with at least one unambiguous (non-faint, non-fuzzy, non-fragmented) print.</p>
<p>Having said all that, it&#8217;s just occurred to me that there&#8217;s one set of circumstances where a hoaxer might deliberately create smudged or partial prints: Where one of his neighbors is a known Bigfooter who &#8220;follows the creeks&#8221; looking for tracks. A hoaxer who didn&#8217;t want to go to a lot of trouble, and/or who suspected that he couldn&#8217;t create a &#8220;good&#8221; fake, might make only blob-prints with the sole intention of getting a rise out of his neighbor, and maybe setting him off on a snipe hunt.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren, this was not a private conversation at all. Of course not. It&#039;s just that nobody else happened to be joining in and I enjoy hearing what DWA has to say about these matters. I also think that of course not all tracks were obviously faked but it may be hard at times to differentiate the two. It seems that hoaxers can be quite rescourceful and we have no real, definitive holotype, so I am very interested in these ideas on which tracks are faked and which are potentially the real deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren, this was not a private conversation at all. Of course not. It&#8217;s just that nobody else happened to be joining in and I enjoy hearing what DWA has to say about these matters. I also think that of course not all tracks were obviously faked but it may be hard at times to differentiate the two. It seems that hoaxers can be quite rescourceful and we have no real, definitive holotype, so I am very interested in these ideas on which tracks are faked and which are potentially the real deal.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point, in what is a very public conversation, is this.

Any trackway that exhibits a longer than normal stride for a human - whether he&#039;s being towed by a jeep, a truck or the space shuttle - has to exhibit the earmarks I mention if a man made it.

Until a tracker tells me different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point, in what is a very public conversation, is this.</p>
<p>Any trackway that exhibits a longer than normal stride for a human &#8211; whether he&#8217;s being towed by a jeep, a truck or the space shuttle &#8211; has to exhibit the earmarks I mention if a man made it.</p>
<p>Until a tracker tells me different.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DWA:

&lt;em&gt;And in response to Loren&#039;s post, which I saw after my last one:  At least one such report was in a roadless area in Alaska, miles from the nearest vehicle. (And to add the unnecessary point:  there were no vehicle tracks.  And the witnesses were a Special Forces unit of about 11 men.)&lt;/em&gt;

I have no idea how this is revelant.  I am not saying all Bigfoot tracks are faked, so of course any matter of distractions from the record can be pulled out to show that &quot;no human prints&quot; are next to trackways, or that &quot;no vehicle tire marks&quot; are either.

I was discussing the specifics of the Wallace hoaxing model as a case example for how this could be done, not as a global explanation for all tracks.

Am I missing something by coming into what has turned into a seemingly private conversation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWA:</p>
<p><em>And in response to Loren&#8217;s post, which I saw after my last one:  At least one such report was in a roadless area in Alaska, miles from the nearest vehicle. (And to add the unnecessary point:  there were no vehicle tracks.  And the witnesses were a Special Forces unit of about 11 men.)</em></p>
<p>I have no idea how this is revelant.  I am not saying all Bigfoot tracks are faked, so of course any matter of distractions from the record can be pulled out to show that &#8220;no human prints&#8221; are next to trackways, or that &#8220;no vehicle tire marks&#8221; are either.</p>
<p>I was discussing the specifics of the Wallace hoaxing model as a case example for how this could be done, not as a global explanation for all tracks.</p>
<p>Am I missing something by coming into what has turned into a seemingly private conversation?</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting info, Loren. I was not aware of that technique. Hoaxers can be pretty resourceful, eh? I wasn&#039;t aware about the hammering down either. I just thought that was what a hoaxer might do to make it appear that a very heavy animal had made the track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting info, Loren. I was not aware of that technique. Hoaxers can be pretty resourceful, eh? I wasn&#8217;t aware about the hammering down either. I just thought that was what a hoaxer might do to make it appear that a very heavy animal had made the track.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in response to Loren&#039;s post, which I saw after my last one:  At least one such report was in a roadless area in Alaska, miles from the nearest vehicle.  (And to add the unnecessary point:  there were no vehicle tracks.  And the witnesses were a Special Forces unit of about 11 men.)

And I&#039;m not sure Loren&#039;s rendition of their explanation provides for why there aren&#039;t those front and back messes in the track, because that guy getting towed is STILL not performing a normal stride.  But I can be enlightened if I&#039;m wrong, tracks not being my specialty.  :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in response to Loren&#8217;s post, which I saw after my last one:  At least one such report was in a roadless area in Alaska, miles from the nearest vehicle.  (And to add the unnecessary point:  there were no vehicle tracks.  And the witnesses were a Special Forces unit of about 11 men.)</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not sure Loren&#8217;s rendition of their explanation provides for why there aren&#8217;t those front and back messes in the track, because that guy getting towed is STILL not performing a normal stride.  But I can be enlightened if I&#8217;m wrong, tracks not being my specialty.  <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mystery_man:  a reasonable point you make there.

Which adds (if it isn&#039;t already there) another factor to track analysis.  If a human can&#039;t match the stride, and a human can leave tracks here...HOW DID A HUMAN MAKE THESE if there are no human tracks?

In the lawyerly tradition of asking no questions to which you don&#039;t know the answer - and NO I&#039;M NOT A LAWYER - I know of at least several reports of such tracks, made in snow, where a man will ALWAYS leave his own prints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mystery_man:  a reasonable point you make there.</p>
<p>Which adds (if it isn&#8217;t already there) another factor to track analysis.  If a human can&#8217;t match the stride, and a human can leave tracks here&#8230;HOW DID A HUMAN MAKE THESE if there are no human tracks?</p>
<p>In the lawyerly tradition of asking no questions to which you don&#8217;t know the answer &#8211; and NO I&#8217;M NOT A LAWYER &#8211; I know of at least several reports of such tracks, made in snow, where a man will ALWAYS leave his own prints.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One explanation by those that say they did it was that with the fakes on their feet, they were pulled (holding on with a rope) at an angle to a truck going down a rough road.  The vehicle would slowly, but faster than a walk, pull the faker along, while the faker would leave deeper impacting prints with a wider than normal (human) stride.

Fake Bigfoot tracks would go up one way, with no human tracks next to them and with no returns.  The faker would merely get into the car or truck, and get a ride home.

Two misconceptions are creeping into this discussion.  All Bigfoot tracks are not deeply pushed into the ground.  You will note that the dust or dirt in some of the pictured trackways and roads around Bluff Creek, Blue Creek Mtn, and Onion Mtn is lightweight, fluffy, and easily to mistake as &quot;deep.&quot;  Same goes for sandbars.  Secondly, &quot;hammering down&quot; is relatively easy to spot.  Hammering down does not seem to be part of what is going on with the 1967 tracks, for example.

Look at the old photos.  See the vehicle tracks?  See where the &quot;Bigfoot tracks&quot; are?  Look at how rigid and faked they appear, upon reexamination.  They are not hammered down fakes; they are impressed fake feet worn by someone, no doubt assisted by the vehicle that tracks have been in the photos all these years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One explanation by those that say they did it was that with the fakes on their feet, they were pulled (holding on with a rope) at an angle to a truck going down a rough road.  The vehicle would slowly, but faster than a walk, pull the faker along, while the faker would leave deeper impacting prints with a wider than normal (human) stride.</p>
<p>Fake Bigfoot tracks would go up one way, with no human tracks next to them and with no returns.  The faker would merely get into the car or truck, and get a ride home.</p>
<p>Two misconceptions are creeping into this discussion.  All Bigfoot tracks are not deeply pushed into the ground.  You will note that the dust or dirt in some of the pictured trackways and roads around Bluff Creek, Blue Creek Mtn, and Onion Mtn is lightweight, fluffy, and easily to mistake as &#8220;deep.&#8221;  Same goes for sandbars.  Secondly, &#8220;hammering down&#8221; is relatively easy to spot.  Hammering down does not seem to be part of what is going on with the 1967 tracks, for example.</p>
<p>Look at the old photos.  See the vehicle tracks?  See where the &#8220;Bigfoot tracks&#8221; are?  Look at how rigid and faked they appear, upon reexamination.  They are not hammered down fakes; they are impressed fake feet worn by someone, no doubt assisted by the vehicle that tracks have been in the photos all these years.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DWA- I know very well how annoyed you get in this sort of topic! About your point, I have thought about the same thing myself. Some of the fakes with no other human tracks around them could be explained by the ground being hard enough to not leave imprints from human feet, but allow hammered down fakes to show up. I don&#039;t really buy that and it would not explain all cases, but it is a theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWA- I know very well how annoyed you get in this sort of topic! About your point, I have thought about the same thing myself. Some of the fakes with no other human tracks around them could be explained by the ground being hard enough to not leave imprints from human feet, but allow hammered down fakes to show up. I don&#8217;t really buy that and it would not explain all cases, but it is a theory.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As many of you know, I get very impatient with track discussions.  (We need to find what made them.)

But I have a question.

Many trackway reports describe prints much farther apart than any human could manage, with none of the fore or aft ground disturbance which would indicate a leap or an unusually long stride.

My question:  as it appears unlikely (if not impossible) for someone to create such tracks with prosthetic foot attachments, how would a hoaxer create these tracks without leaving any of his own?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As many of you know, I get very impatient with track discussions.  (We need to find what made them.)</p>
<p>But I have a question.</p>
<p>Many trackway reports describe prints much farther apart than any human could manage, with none of the fore or aft ground disturbance which would indicate a leap or an unusually long stride.</p>
<p>My question:  as it appears unlikely (if not impossible) for someone to create such tracks with prosthetic foot attachments, how would a hoaxer create these tracks without leaving any of his own?</p>
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