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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/kenmun/comment-page-1/#comment-52529</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dogu4- Once again, I like the way you approach these things. That is a very good observation that the land masses may once have been connected by dry land. It adds to the possibilities. 

Yes, the island is quite underdeveloped and would seem to at least offer a small primate plenty of places to remain hidden. 

Japan has a long history of cryptids, and a surprisingly wide range of them, so you can be sure I&#039;ll be pulling more of these rabbits out of my hat. :) I&#039;m glad you enjoy them, and am pleased when you offer your good insights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogu4- Once again, I like the way you approach these things. That is a very good observation that the land masses may once have been connected by dry land. It adds to the possibilities. </p>
<p>Yes, the island is quite underdeveloped and would seem to at least offer a small primate plenty of places to remain hidden. </p>
<p>Japan has a long history of cryptids, and a surprisingly wide range of them, so you can be sure I&#8217;ll be pulling more of these rabbits out of my hat. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m glad you enjoy them, and am pleased when you offer your good insights.</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/kenmun/comment-page-1/#comment-52520</link>
		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, it&#039;s like Japan&#039;s some magic hat filled with rabbit, and you pulled out another fascinating one. Thanks. 

I looked up the island on Google Earth, naturally and was astonished at how undeveloped and beautiful it looked (there are lots of nice pics of the island&#039;s scenery) and it&#039;s big. 274 sq miles? That&#039;s about 175,000 acres if it was flat, and as luscious as the jungle looked the beaches look even better.

Another thing I could see on Google Earth v.5 is that the submerged landscape indicates that this is not some recently emerged volcanic  island arc but looks connected to the continental shelf and would have been somewhat connected to it with dry land in the past when sea levels were lower.

The notion of a nocturnal primate holding on within its island refugia, tonsured pate and all, is pretty intriguing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s like Japan&#8217;s some magic hat filled with rabbit, and you pulled out another fascinating one. Thanks. </p>
<p>I looked up the island on Google Earth, naturally and was astonished at how undeveloped and beautiful it looked (there are lots of nice pics of the island&#8217;s scenery) and it&#8217;s big. 274 sq miles? That&#8217;s about 175,000 acres if it was flat, and as luscious as the jungle looked the beaches look even better.</p>
<p>Another thing I could see on Google Earth v.5 is that the submerged landscape indicates that this is not some recently emerged volcanic  island arc but looks connected to the continental shelf and would have been somewhat connected to it with dry land in the past when sea levels were lower.</p>
<p>The notion of a nocturnal primate holding on within its island refugia, tonsured pate and all, is pretty intriguing.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DWA- I&#039;m mostly a science guy. No art minor for me. :) Although I do maintain an interest in Japanese artwork like the piece I included here. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWA- I&#8217;m mostly a science guy. No art minor for me. <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Although I do maintain an interest in Japanese artwork like the piece I included here. </p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brent:  OK, now this is interesting.  (You minored in art history, right?  lol)

When one goes back through the archives and learns about things like this, one really starts to wonder.

There is a gap, bigger than most people acknowledge, between &quot;ethnoknown&quot; and &quot;confirmed by science.&quot;  This is a little more intriguing than I was thinking when I first checked in.  Hmmmm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent:  OK, now this is interesting.  (You minored in art history, right?  lol)</p>
<p>When one goes back through the archives and learns about things like this, one really starts to wonder.</p>
<p>There is a gap, bigger than most people acknowledge, between &#8220;ethnoknown&#8221; and &#8220;confirmed by science.&#8221;  This is a little more intriguing than I was thinking when I first checked in.  Hmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/kenmun/comment-page-1/#comment-52278</link>
		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ukelelemike- Sorry, I made a dumb typo up there. I meant to say &lt;em&gt;prosimians&lt;/em&gt; NOT &lt;em&gt;proto&lt;/em&gt;simians when I was explaining primates with tapetum lucida that cause eye shine. Like I said, prosimians are a group of primates that includes Aye-ayes, tarsiers, and bushbabies. The basic rule of thumb is that anything that is not a monkey or ape is a prosimian.

Anyway, like I said, any prosimian, ape, or monkey on this island is a cryptid nevertheless.

Viergacht- Incidentally, lemurs that you mentioned are also prosimians and do have tapetum lucida. This makes your hypothesis interesting, but again, lemurs do not occur in the wild in Japan. They would be out of place lemurs, escaped or released exotics. Considering the long history of the Kenmun on the island, difficulty transporting these exotics, and the relatively small population of people there, I wonder just how likely it is that a breeding, undiscovered population of lemurs exist on the island. It&#039;s something to consider, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ukelelemike- Sorry, I made a dumb typo up there. I meant to say <em>prosimians</em> NOT <em>proto</em>simians when I was explaining primates with tapetum lucida that cause eye shine. Like I said, prosimians are a group of primates that includes Aye-ayes, tarsiers, and bushbabies. The basic rule of thumb is that anything that is not a monkey or ape is a prosimian.</p>
<p>Anyway, like I said, any prosimian, ape, or monkey on this island is a cryptid nevertheless.</p>
<p>Viergacht- Incidentally, lemurs that you mentioned are also prosimians and do have tapetum lucida. This makes your hypothesis interesting, but again, lemurs do not occur in the wild in Japan. They would be out of place lemurs, escaped or released exotics. Considering the long history of the Kenmun on the island, difficulty transporting these exotics, and the relatively small population of people there, I wonder just how likely it is that a breeding, undiscovered population of lemurs exist on the island. It&#8217;s something to consider, though.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 06:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DWA- That artwork here that you wanted to know about was done for a book called the &lt;em&gt;Nanto Zatsuwa&lt;/em&gt;, or &quot;Talks on the Southern Islands.&quot; It is a book written in 1850 by a Satsuma samurai by the name of Nagoya Sagenta. The book contains miscellaneous writings and observations on the culture and traditions of the Ryukyu islands of Japan, of which Amami Oshima is a part. The work contains a myriad of writings on diverse topics concerning these southern islands, ranging from folklore of the islands to martial arts practices, as well as many illustrations such as the Kenmun piece I included here (one of several he did on the Kenmun, incidentally).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWA- That artwork here that you wanted to know about was done for a book called the <em>Nanto Zatsuwa</em>, or &#8220;Talks on the Southern Islands.&#8221; It is a book written in 1850 by a Satsuma samurai by the name of Nagoya Sagenta. The book contains miscellaneous writings and observations on the culture and traditions of the Ryukyu islands of Japan, of which Amami Oshima is a part. The work contains a myriad of writings on diverse topics concerning these southern islands, ranging from folklore of the islands to martial arts practices, as well as many illustrations such as the Kenmun piece I included here (one of several he did on the Kenmun, incidentally).</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ukelelemike- There are no apes native to Japan. The only primates known to live in the wild here are Japanese macaques, which are not apes, but rather Old world moneys. Japanese macaques are not found on Amami Oshima either. These macaques prefer northern habitats and in fact are the most northern dwelling of any wild population of non-human primates. Their southernmost habitat is Yakushima island about 500 km South of Kyuushu. 


I have some other thoughts on the monkey or ape hypothesis, besides the absence of any on Amami Oshima. One interesting detail often mentioned with Kenmun sightings is the presence of eye shine. Eye shine is caused by light reflecting off of a layer of tissue in the eye called the &lt;em&gt;tapetum lucidum&lt;/em&gt;, which increases the amount of light hitting photoreceptors within the eye. It is typically a nocturnal adaptation for increasing vision in low light conditions. Indeed the Kenmun is clearly described as being nocturnal. The only primates currently known to have tapetum lucida and thus exhibit pronounced eye shine are nocturnal protosimians such as tarsiers. 

Even if Japanese macaques had been introduced to the island from elsewhere, they are diurnal animals, not nocturnal ones, and also don&#039;t have tapetum lucida that would cause the noticeable red eye shine often mentioned in Kenmun reports. The same would go for most other known primates. 

For these reasons, I don&#039;t think the answer is not so simple as saying Kenmun must just be apes. As you can see, if Kenmun are &lt;em&gt;just&lt;/em&gt; apes, then they are strange, out of place ones, and so remain cryptids nevertheless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ukelelemike- There are no apes native to Japan. The only primates known to live in the wild here are Japanese macaques, which are not apes, but rather Old world moneys. Japanese macaques are not found on Amami Oshima either. These macaques prefer northern habitats and in fact are the most northern dwelling of any wild population of non-human primates. Their southernmost habitat is Yakushima island about 500 km South of Kyuushu. </p>
<p>I have some other thoughts on the monkey or ape hypothesis, besides the absence of any on Amami Oshima. One interesting detail often mentioned with Kenmun sightings is the presence of eye shine. Eye shine is caused by light reflecting off of a layer of tissue in the eye called the <em>tapetum lucidum</em>, which increases the amount of light hitting photoreceptors within the eye. It is typically a nocturnal adaptation for increasing vision in low light conditions. Indeed the Kenmun is clearly described as being nocturnal. The only primates currently known to have tapetum lucida and thus exhibit pronounced eye shine are nocturnal protosimians such as tarsiers. </p>
<p>Even if Japanese macaques had been introduced to the island from elsewhere, they are diurnal animals, not nocturnal ones, and also don&#8217;t have tapetum lucida that would cause the noticeable red eye shine often mentioned in Kenmun reports. The same would go for most other known primates. </p>
<p>For these reasons, I don&#8217;t think the answer is not so simple as saying Kenmun must just be apes. As you can see, if Kenmun are <em>just</em> apes, then they are strange, out of place ones, and so remain cryptids nevertheless.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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Brent:  I&#039;d love to know as much about the artist and his context as you can tell me.  The painting has something of a Hokusai/Hiroshige look to it.  And the time appears right for either.

Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent:  I&#8217;d love to know as much about the artist and his context as you can tell me.  The painting has something of a Hokusai/Hiroshige look to it.  And the time appears right for either.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: stranger</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite interesting. With a little effort, it should be possible to capture or photograph this ape(?).

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;The creature is said to be particularly fond of fish eyes, which it will pop out and eat with relish.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suggest we set up a trail cam outside the store where they buy the relish! ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite interesting. With a little effort, it should be possible to capture or photograph this ape(?).</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>The creature is said to be particularly fond of fish eyes, which it will pop out and eat with relish.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suggest we set up a trail cam outside the store where they buy the relish! <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ukulelemike</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm. Small, about 3 feet tall, covered in hair, climbs trees, throws stuff, smelly. Has a face like an ape, and arms dispropotionately long with short legs. Gosh, I don&#039;t know-maybe an ape?  If it walks like an ape, and talks like an ape, smells like an ape and climbs like an ape-might just be an APE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Small, about 3 feet tall, covered in hair, climbs trees, throws stuff, smelly. Has a face like an ape, and arms dispropotionately long with short legs. Gosh, I don&#8217;t know-maybe an ape?  If it walks like an ape, and talks like an ape, smells like an ape and climbs like an ape-might just be an APE.</p>
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