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	<title>Comments on: Johor Hominid Face?</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy_Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy_Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In playing the devil&#039;s advocate for a second here, I will say that the Loh drawings, while displaying Peter&#039;s considerable skill, shouldn&#039;t really be expected to look EXACTLY like the &quot;actual creature&quot; seen in the photos (if there is an actual creature). Remember that Peter drew these based entirely on description alone, which is why we see the various changes as Chow tried to get Peter&#039;s drawings closer to the alleged photos.

That said, the earlier drawing, actually, seems to reflect those more human features we see in the photo-tracing, although the white color and lack of &quot;fly away&quot; hair could have been seen as misleading. In the second drawing the heavily lined face, &quot;crazy eyes&quot; and bad teeth are distracting, and lend the image a more ghoulish appearance, but in this one we see the hair looking more tousled and an even more human jaw, chin and brow, along with larger ears.

Actually, neither look much like the photo-tracing, but then, none of the caricatures I&#039;ve ever had done ever looked like me, and those artists were staring right at me when they did those.

Peter Loh has shown considerable skill in his drawings, but at this point, if Chow is going to release tracings of the photos, he may as well go ahead and release the images.

(Interesting too, the &quot;(c) Vincent Chow&quot; on the sketches. Anyone with experience in copyright law on here? Is it OK to make a tracing of a photo that you don&#039;t have the rights to publish and to then copyright and publish that tracing? Seems like it would be a little like me re-recording and releasing &quot;American Beauty&quot;, but with myself playing drums instead of Mickey and Bill, and then copyrighting it as my own. Can one do that?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In playing the devil&#8217;s advocate for a second here, I will say that the Loh drawings, while displaying Peter&#8217;s considerable skill, shouldn&#8217;t really be expected to look EXACTLY like the &#8220;actual creature&#8221; seen in the photos (if there is an actual creature). Remember that Peter drew these based entirely on description alone, which is why we see the various changes as Chow tried to get Peter&#8217;s drawings closer to the alleged photos.</p>
<p>That said, the earlier drawing, actually, seems to reflect those more human features we see in the photo-tracing, although the white color and lack of &#8220;fly away&#8221; hair could have been seen as misleading. In the second drawing the heavily lined face, &#8220;crazy eyes&#8221; and bad teeth are distracting, and lend the image a more ghoulish appearance, but in this one we see the hair looking more tousled and an even more human jaw, chin and brow, along with larger ears.</p>
<p>Actually, neither look much like the photo-tracing, but then, none of the caricatures I&#8217;ve ever had done ever looked like me, and those artists were staring right at me when they did those.</p>
<p>Peter Loh has shown considerable skill in his drawings, but at this point, if Chow is going to release tracings of the photos, he may as well go ahead and release the images.</p>
<p>(Interesting too, the &#8220;(c) Vincent Chow&#8221; on the sketches. Anyone with experience in copyright law on here? Is it OK to make a tracing of a photo that you don&#8217;t have the rights to publish and to then copyright and publish that tracing? Seems like it would be a little like me re-recording and releasing &#8220;American Beauty&#8221;, but with myself playing drums instead of Mickey and Bill, and then copyrighting it as my own. Can one do that?)</p>
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		<title>By: One Eyed Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Eyed Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe I mis-read Johar as Junior. Been having some trouble that way lately</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe I mis-read Johar as Junior. Been having some trouble that way lately</p>
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		<title>By: One Eyed Cat</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/johorface/comment-page-1/#comment-4756</link>
		<dc:creator>One Eyed Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree the ones holding the supposed photos do not realize -- apparently -- that continuing to withhold the photos is eroding their credibility.

But hold on this as supposed to be a YOUNG Johar Hiominid face. Young and adults often look somewhat different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the ones holding the supposed photos do not realize &#8212; apparently &#8212; that continuing to withhold the photos is eroding their credibility.</p>
<p>But hold on this as supposed to be a YOUNG Johar Hiominid face. Young and adults often look somewhat different.</p>
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		<title>By: Eaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The scale of this face looks relatively small. Like chimp sized. Maybe smaller if that is fur or hair around the face and not an artistic &quot;effect&quot;.

most disturbing to me is a small note on the sketch page of the johor site noting that the drawings are only 70-80% based on the original photograph. that removes almost all of the justification for a strange way to distribute the information in the first place. If each artist only based their drawings on the photos about 70% maybe that explains all the various interpretations. Strange way to present evidence,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scale of this face looks relatively small. Like chimp sized. Maybe smaller if that is fur or hair around the face and not an artistic &#8220;effect&#8221;.</p>
<p>most disturbing to me is a small note on the sketch page of the johor site noting that the drawings are only 70-80% based on the original photograph. that removes almost all of the justification for a strange way to distribute the information in the first place. If each artist only based their drawings on the photos about 70% maybe that explains all the various interpretations. Strange way to present evidence,</p>
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		<title>By: jayman</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok... the latest drawing by Chow and the second drawing aren&#039;t really that different to me, mainly in the long head hair of the latest, which gives a different impression. Both have a flat, pugged nose, big projecting jaws, and heavy brow ridges. The eyes of the new drawing are different, and seem more realistic.

As for the third drawing, it never looked like more than something out of a low-budget zombie movie.

But, enough drawings... it&#039;s time for photos, if there are really any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230; the latest drawing by Chow and the second drawing aren&#8217;t really that different to me, mainly in the long head hair of the latest, which gives a different impression. Both have a flat, pugged nose, big projecting jaws, and heavy brow ridges. The eyes of the new drawing are different, and seem more realistic.</p>
<p>As for the third drawing, it never looked like more than something out of a low-budget zombie movie.</p>
<p>But, enough drawings&#8230; it&#8217;s time for photos, if there are really any.</p>
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		<title>By: kamoeba</title>
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		<dc:creator>kamoeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Vincent Chow drawing reminds me of the prehistoric apes/men of 2001: A Space Odyssey.</description>
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		<title>By: jeremyDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremyDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should all be bracing for a let down.</description>
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		<title>By: dewhurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>dewhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so the fiasco rolls on.I really wanted these pics to be real so much it hurt but the longer it goes on the more my interest wanes.

Do the people with the alleged photos not realise that the longer this goes on the less interested people will become.

Its getting to a point now where I can see these photos being of Orangutangs and the owners of the material are so desperate to milk any publicity they can can before it becomes obvious to the world that they have nothing just some photos of some Apes in an area where they are rare but I suggest there are no Bigfoot photos waiting to be published. No fortunes to be earned and then back to obscurity for the Johor gang.

Sorry but this is just the way I see it .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so the fiasco rolls on.I really wanted these pics to be real so much it hurt but the longer it goes on the more my interest wanes.</p>
<p>Do the people with the alleged photos not realise that the longer this goes on the less interested people will become.</p>
<p>Its getting to a point now where I can see these photos being of Orangutangs and the owners of the material are so desperate to milk any publicity they can can before it becomes obvious to the world that they have nothing just some photos of some Apes in an area where they are rare but I suggest there are no Bigfoot photos waiting to be published. No fortunes to be earned and then back to obscurity for the Johor gang.</p>
<p>Sorry but this is just the way I see it .</p>
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		<title>By: youcantryreachingme</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant me a little poetic licence in entertaining the possibility this is all hot air over nothing.

If such is proved, what do you think the fallout will be for the face of cryptozoology? Let alone the face of the Johor Hominid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant me a little poetic licence in entertaining the possibility this is all hot air over nothing.</p>
<p>If such is proved, what do you think the fallout will be for the face of cryptozoology? Let alone the face of the Johor Hominid!</p>
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		<title>By: shumway10973</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for chow&#039;s sake, these pics had better be really clear.  like I said before, these could be an ape, mr. hyde and the new one looks like a traditional monkey. for the sake of all cryptid hunters around the world, this better be worth all the fuss, otherwise we will all have black eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for chow&#8217;s sake, these pics had better be really clear.  like I said before, these could be an ape, mr. hyde and the new one looks like a traditional monkey. for the sake of all cryptid hunters around the world, this better be worth all the fuss, otherwise we will all have black eyes.</p>
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