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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ewargo; thanks for that interesting bit of lore. I agree that it is still something odd, or better yet, cryptic. I actually sent an email to the Smithsonian&#039;s specialist in the area, and he confirms that there are no fossils of sea lions identified in the North Atlantic and  agrees it&#039;s curious but without any evidence to the contrary it must be considered just a peculiar aspect to this genus&#039; pattern of radiation and speciation. But, it&#039;s early in the new year, who knows what&#039;s under the next rock? Cheers to all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ewargo; thanks for that interesting bit of lore. I agree that it is still something odd, or better yet, cryptic. I actually sent an email to the Smithsonian&#8217;s specialist in the area, and he confirms that there are no fossils of sea lions identified in the North Atlantic and  agrees it&#8217;s curious but without any evidence to the contrary it must be considered just a peculiar aspect to this genus&#8217; pattern of radiation and speciation. But, it&#8217;s early in the new year, who knows what&#8217;s under the next rock? Cheers to all.</p>
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		<title>By: ewargo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really interesting discussion.

This isn&#039;t fossil evidence, but perhaps worth considering: One of the less common Pictish symbols (Dark Age Scotland) is sometimes called a &quot;dog&#039;s head&quot; and sometimes called a &quot;seal&quot; -- it has front flippers but a distinctly dog-like head with small, swept back ears. When I first saw it, my immediate thought was &quot;sea lion,&quot; but a quick check revealed the curiosity that you are all discussing: the conspicuous absence of sea lions from the North Atlantic. Could the sea lion have been hunted to extinction in those waters in the Middle Ages?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting discussion.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t fossil evidence, but perhaps worth considering: One of the less common Pictish symbols (Dark Age Scotland) is sometimes called a &#8220;dog&#8217;s head&#8221; and sometimes called a &#8220;seal&#8221; &#8212; it has front flippers but a distinctly dog-like head with small, swept back ears. When I first saw it, my immediate thought was &#8220;sea lion,&#8221; but a quick check revealed the curiosity that you are all discussing: the conspicuous absence of sea lions from the North Atlantic. Could the sea lion have been hunted to extinction in those waters in the Middle Ages?</p>
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		<title>By: ejjury</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh Japan, when will you quit killing things off (not that we don&#039;t do just as much killing)?

I guess I am still bitter about illegal whaling, the killing of mass numbers of dolphins (even though I dislike them), the overfishing that is done, and the light pollution from those fisheries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Japan, when will you quit killing things off (not that we don&#8217;t do just as much killing)?</p>
<p>I guess I am still bitter about illegal whaling, the killing of mass numbers of dolphins (even though I dislike them), the overfishing that is done, and the light pollution from those fisheries.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dogu4- Interesting stuff. Yeah, I won&#039;t get it too off topic here but the movements of animals and geographical factors involved is fascinating to me as well. 

I find it very curious that otariids would not branch out into Northern Atlantic waters simply because they are so widespread pretty much everywhere else and are quite adaptable. The sea lions of the Pacific for example have moved out and adapted to a wide variety of far flung habitats across the ocean where they have proven to be successful (when humans aren&#039;t harvesting or killing them as the case with the Japanese sea lion). Otariids are fairly well established in some Southern Atlantic waters such as in South America and the Falkland Islands in the case of the South American sea lion &lt;em&gt;Otaria flavescens&lt;/em&gt;, or Southern Africa in the case of the Cape fur seals and South African fur seals. It seems to me that there has been enough time for them to populate the North Atlantic regardless of the geographical limitations of the past. The Atlantic seems to offer enough resources and favorable habitats for it to have made sense for otariids to expand to take advantage of these resources. I am particularly interested in what the biological and ecological reasons for their conspicuous absence there might be. This is fascinating to speculate about. 

Anyway, great discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogu4- Interesting stuff. Yeah, I won&#8217;t get it too off topic here but the movements of animals and geographical factors involved is fascinating to me as well. </p>
<p>I find it very curious that otariids would not branch out into Northern Atlantic waters simply because they are so widespread pretty much everywhere else and are quite adaptable. The sea lions of the Pacific for example have moved out and adapted to a wide variety of far flung habitats across the ocean where they have proven to be successful (when humans aren&#8217;t harvesting or killing them as the case with the Japanese sea lion). Otariids are fairly well established in some Southern Atlantic waters such as in South America and the Falkland Islands in the case of the South American sea lion <em>Otaria flavescens</em>, or Southern Africa in the case of the Cape fur seals and South African fur seals. It seems to me that there has been enough time for them to populate the North Atlantic regardless of the geographical limitations of the past. The Atlantic seems to offer enough resources and favorable habitats for it to have made sense for otariids to expand to take advantage of these resources. I am particularly interested in what the biological and ecological reasons for their conspicuous absence there might be. This is fascinating to speculate about. </p>
<p>Anyway, great discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogu4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally agree regarding the references to otariids (eared seals) in contrast to &quot;true seals&quot;.

As for my notion explaining the conspicuous absence of the sea-lions from the North Atlantic, I&#039;m compelled by the recent theories regarding a significant meteor impact 12.9KYA over northeaster North America and consequently the North Atlantic. It&#039;s off topic a bit but the theory is nicely explained by the researchers at last years AGU meeting and recorded on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=741568C2D58A9793&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;youtube here&lt;/a&gt;:

Also, I read where the genetics of the current megafauna in N. America suggests that they re-populated the continent sometime in the not too distant past, which they&#039;d naturally do, some from Eurasia (wolves, bears and caribou, etc), and some from Central America (mountain lions and bison, etc). Sea lions, not being creatures of the ice, like certain seals and walrus, would be blocked from an easy northern return, and the since the isthumus of panama has been in existence over the last 3 million years, they couldn&#039;t use a tropical route.

Anyhow, it&#039;s merely an exercise in speculation but I&#039;ll keep my sensors tuned for news of otariid fossils from the North Atlantic in the mean time. cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree regarding the references to otariids (eared seals) in contrast to &#8220;true seals&#8221;.</p>
<p>As for my notion explaining the conspicuous absence of the sea-lions from the North Atlantic, I&#8217;m compelled by the recent theories regarding a significant meteor impact 12.9KYA over northeaster North America and consequently the North Atlantic. It&#8217;s off topic a bit but the theory is nicely explained by the researchers at last years AGU meeting and recorded on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=741568C2D58A9793" rel="nofollow">youtube here</a>:</p>
<p>Also, I read where the genetics of the current megafauna in N. America suggests that they re-populated the continent sometime in the not too distant past, which they&#8217;d naturally do, some from Eurasia (wolves, bears and caribou, etc), and some from Central America (mountain lions and bison, etc). Sea lions, not being creatures of the ice, like certain seals and walrus, would be blocked from an easy northern return, and the since the isthumus of panama has been in existence over the last 3 million years, they couldn&#8217;t use a tropical route.</p>
<p>Anyhow, it&#8217;s merely an exercise in speculation but I&#8217;ll keep my sensors tuned for news of otariid fossils from the North Atlantic in the mean time. cheers</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It might also help to just say we are talking about otariids (eared seals) in general instead of using the common name &quot;sea lions&quot; for some varieties in order to avoid any confusion people might have concerning ranges and habitats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might also help to just say we are talking about otariids (eared seals) in general instead of using the common name &#8220;sea lions&#8221; for some varieties in order to avoid any confusion people might have concerning ranges and habitats.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It might also help to just say we are talking about otariids (eared seals) in general instead of using the common name &quot;sea lions&quot; for some varieties in order to avoid any confusion people might have concerning ranges and habitats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might also help to just say we are talking about otariids (eared seals) in general instead of using the common name &#8220;sea lions&#8221; for some varieties in order to avoid any confusion people might have concerning ranges and habitats.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dogu4- Yes, that&#039;s what I was referring to, the North Atlantic. I agree with you, it does seem conspicuous. I&#039;d be more than interested to hear some of your ideas concerning this mystery in the Atlantic. I also share an interest in animals such as the Steller and California sea lions (with a specific interest in the Japanese and Galapagos varieties), and I am always interested to hear different takes on the possible evolutionary routes and habitats of these animals in different areas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogu4- Yes, that&#8217;s what I was referring to, the North Atlantic. I agree with you, it does seem conspicuous. I&#8217;d be more than interested to hear some of your ideas concerning this mystery in the Atlantic. I also share an interest in animals such as the Steller and California sea lions (with a specific interest in the Japanese and Galapagos varieties), and I am always interested to hear different takes on the possible evolutionary routes and habitats of these animals in different areas.</p>
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		<title>By: dogu4</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Mystery Man...I recognized that you were addressing the question from the aspect of Japanese Sea Lions&#039; natural history...and appreciate it. 
It&#039;s just that it seems there is something peculiar from my point of view regarding the sea lions&#039; singular and conspicuous absence..not from the Atlantic...but only from the North Atlantic. Just another mystery...cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mystery Man&#8230;I recognized that you were addressing the question from the aspect of Japanese Sea Lions&#8217; natural history&#8230;and appreciate it.<br />
It&#8217;s just that it seems there is something peculiar from my point of view regarding the sea lions&#8217; singular and conspicuous absence..not from the Atlantic&#8230;but only from the North Atlantic. Just another mystery&#8230;cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystery_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dogu4- I&#039;m sorry, it seems that I totally misunderstood your question. I thought you were asking about fossil remains in Japan when in fact you were asking about the Atlantic.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence of sea lion fossils in the Atlantic, as corrick said. I do think you have a good idea that fossils may be buried under the surface in areas that are beyond our current abilities to efficiently study. Also, I agree that sea lions could have feasibly branched out beyond the Pacific and into the Atlantic. They are indeed pretty adaptable and have settled into far flung habitats throughout the Pacific, such as Japan and the Galapagos Islands. I wouldn&#039;t totally discount the possibility of them making their way into the Atlantic, but there is no evidence that I know of such a migration at the current time.

It would certainly be interesting to see what sort of fossils would turn up through such an avenue of research as you describe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogu4- I&#8217;m sorry, it seems that I totally misunderstood your question. I thought you were asking about fossil remains in Japan when in fact you were asking about the Atlantic.</p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence of sea lion fossils in the Atlantic, as corrick said. I do think you have a good idea that fossils may be buried under the surface in areas that are beyond our current abilities to efficiently study. Also, I agree that sea lions could have feasibly branched out beyond the Pacific and into the Atlantic. They are indeed pretty adaptable and have settled into far flung habitats throughout the Pacific, such as Japan and the Galapagos Islands. I wouldn&#8217;t totally discount the possibility of them making their way into the Atlantic, but there is no evidence that I know of such a migration at the current time.</p>
<p>It would certainly be interesting to see what sort of fossils would turn up through such an avenue of research as you describe.</p>
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