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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/ind-canids/#comment-43112</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several types of dogs in the South and the Southeast - they can't really be called breeds; they are not exactly that, nor can they really be called subspecies - they are best described as varieties within types, and of course, there IS some melding of lines, because mountain people did not breed for blueblood purebreds; instead they bred dogs that fit a certain type and function to others of the same type. Therefore you see ancient Native American breeds, Carolina (Shell-Heap) Dogs, and a number of "cur" and "fiest" breeds. Many of the cur breeds, such as Melungeon Curs, Black-mouthed Curs, and Catahoula Leopard Curs, descend in part from ancient Native American breed types, later crossed with the ancient molosser type guard and hunting dogs brought to this continent by settlers and explorers as much as five hundred years ago. Some of these breeds also have Red Wolf, Black Wolf, and Algonquin Wolf crosses in their history.

Then beginning about three hundred years ago, people of western European descent began exploring and settling the Appalachians, and of course their dogs came with them - mastiff types such as boarhounds (now called Great Danes), large scenthounds such as foxhounds and bloodhounds, sighthounds such as greyhounds and wolfhounds, and shepherd dogs and flock guardians. All these animals can and do interbreed, and they left their stamp on the various indigenous types of dogs.

But in the last fifty years or so, there has been a massive dumping of purebred dogs ... Dalmatians, Rottweilers, Shepherds, Pit Bull Dogs - you name it. Because people fall for the premise that AKC registration &lt;em&gt;means&lt;/em&gt; something, and because AKC registered dogs are so readily available, people buy them by the hundreds of thousands. Then when the inbred AKC collie doesn't turn out to be Lassie, or the shepherd to be RinTinTin, or that cute little cocker that looks just like Lady turns out to be a biter with demodectic mange, the people dump that dog in the woods, take their credit card down to the mall pet store, and get another one. The dumped dogs are almost always reproductively intact, and so they add a new litter to the feral dog problem at least once a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several types of dogs in the South and the Southeast - they can&#8217;t really be called breeds; they are not exactly that, nor can they really be called subspecies - they are best described as varieties within types, and of course, there IS some melding of lines, because mountain people did not breed for blueblood purebreds; instead they bred dogs that fit a certain type and function to others of the same type. Therefore you see ancient Native American breeds, Carolina (Shell-Heap) Dogs, and a number of &#8220;cur&#8221; and &#8220;fiest&#8221; breeds. Many of the cur breeds, such as Melungeon Curs, Black-mouthed Curs, and Catahoula Leopard Curs, descend in part from ancient Native American breed types, later crossed with the ancient molosser type guard and hunting dogs brought to this continent by settlers and explorers as much as five hundred years ago. Some of these breeds also have Red Wolf, Black Wolf, and Algonquin Wolf crosses in their history.</p>
<p>Then beginning about three hundred years ago, people of western European descent began exploring and settling the Appalachians, and of course their dogs came with them - mastiff types such as boarhounds (now called Great Danes), large scenthounds such as foxhounds and bloodhounds, sighthounds such as greyhounds and wolfhounds, and shepherd dogs and flock guardians. All these animals can and do interbreed, and they left their stamp on the various indigenous types of dogs.</p>
<p>But in the last fifty years or so, there has been a massive dumping of purebred dogs &#8230; Dalmatians, Rottweilers, Shepherds, Pit Bull Dogs - you name it. Because people fall for the premise that AKC registration <em>means</em> something, and because AKC registered dogs are so readily available, people buy them by the hundreds of thousands. Then when the inbred AKC collie doesn&#8217;t turn out to be Lassie, or the shepherd to be RinTinTin, or that cute little cocker that looks just like Lady turns out to be a biter with demodectic mange, the people dump that dog in the woods, take their credit card down to the mall pet store, and get another one. The dumped dogs are almost always reproductively intact, and so they add a new litter to the feral dog problem at least once a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Blind.Atrocity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blind.Atrocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, they look like wolf hybrids. I've seen a lot of similar looking dogs and puppies here from a family that breeds wolf hybrids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, they look like wolf hybrids. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of similar looking dogs and puppies here from a family that breeds wolf hybrids.</p>
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		<title>By: whiteriverfisherman</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/ind-canids/#comment-43110</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 17:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live about 50 miles north northwest of where the animals were killed.  I have seen a red wolf on 2 separate occasions on the same piece of property while deer hunting.  My brother in law has pictures of it.  I don’t see why these can’t be another species of wolf.  They look very much like an animal my father in law described to me.  He watched it walk along a fence line between a corn field and the wood line.  He swears it was a wolf.  I don’t doubt him.  I will be interesting to find out what they turn out to be.

Just a side note:  there used to be Black Panther sightings happening on a regular basis in this part of Indiana, I know people that have seen them.  This doesn’t happen as often as it used to and local folks attribute that to the increase in the human population.  People talk about Black panthers around here like they talk about deer and rabbits.  They are simply just another animal in the woods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live about 50 miles north northwest of where the animals were killed.  I have seen a red wolf on 2 separate occasions on the same piece of property while deer hunting.  My brother in law has pictures of it.  I don’t see why these can’t be another species of wolf.  They look very much like an animal my father in law described to me.  He watched it walk along a fence line between a corn field and the wood line.  He swears it was a wolf.  I don’t doubt him.  I will be interesting to find out what they turn out to be.</p>
<p>Just a side note:  there used to be Black Panther sightings happening on a regular basis in this part of Indiana, I know people that have seen them.  This doesn’t happen as often as it used to and local folks attribute that to the increase in the human population.  People talk about Black panthers around here like they talk about deer and rabbits.  They are simply just another animal in the woods.</p>
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		<title>By: Amdusias</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/ind-canids/#comment-43109</link>
		<dc:creator>Amdusias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 16:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, well my family called them "Melungeon Dogs" long before they were a recognized breed. Some have that wolf sable look. To call the Melungeon or "Carolina" dog a true breed is a little off, as they have almost certainly mixed with both wolves and coyote. They breed "true" for sure, but you can't keep a wild canid "pure". The red wolf is a wolf fox hybrid for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, well my family called them &#8220;Melungeon Dogs&#8221; long before they were a recognized breed. Some have that wolf sable look. To call the Melungeon or &#8220;Carolina&#8221; dog a true breed is a little off, as they have almost certainly mixed with both wolves and coyote. They breed &#8220;true&#8221; for sure, but you can&#8217;t keep a wild canid &#8220;pure&#8221;. The red wolf is a wolf fox hybrid for example.</p>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 19:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These animals don't look like Carolina Dogs (also known as Shell-heap Dogs). These animals look like wolf/husky or wolf/shepherd crosses, and Carolina Dogs look almost exactly like dingos. The Carolina Dog is an ancient true breed, indigenous to the south-central Appalachians, but most of the animals that you see that people are calling Carolina Dogs, are just random-bred dogs, run-of-the-mill mixed breeds.

True Carolina dogs of the original type - not mixed with more modern breeds - are almost always some medium shade of fawn, like a dingo, and they do not have the black markings so typical of wolves and dogs that are descended from wolves. They also have a deep, narrow chest, something like that of a sighthound, and very large triangular dingo-like ears. There are very - if any - purebred Shellheap dogs left; even the ones shown in pictures at the dog breed info webite mentioned above clearly show the influence of shepherd, chow, and retriever.

Of course that is true of any pariah breed - our species is nomadic, and we have taken our fellow nomad, &lt;em&gt;Canis familaris&lt;/em&gt;, with us everywhere we have traveled. Pariah digs of one kind or another live on every continent except Antarctica.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These animals don&#8217;t look like Carolina Dogs (also known as Shell-heap Dogs). These animals look like wolf/husky or wolf/shepherd crosses, and Carolina Dogs look almost exactly like dingos. The Carolina Dog is an ancient true breed, indigenous to the south-central Appalachians, but most of the animals that you see that people are calling Carolina Dogs, are just random-bred dogs, run-of-the-mill mixed breeds.</p>
<p>True Carolina dogs of the original type - not mixed with more modern breeds - are almost always some medium shade of fawn, like a dingo, and they do not have the black markings so typical of wolves and dogs that are descended from wolves. They also have a deep, narrow chest, something like that of a sighthound, and very large triangular dingo-like ears. There are very - if any - purebred Shellheap dogs left; even the ones shown in pictures at the dog breed info webite mentioned above clearly show the influence of shepherd, chow, and retriever.</p>
<p>Of course that is true of any pariah breed - our species is nomadic, and we have taken our fellow nomad, <em>Canis familaris</em>, with us everywhere we have traveled. Pariah digs of one kind or another live on every continent except Antarctica.</p>
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		<title>By: Amdusias</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/ind-canids/#comment-43107</link>
		<dc:creator>Amdusias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 14:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They look a little like the "Melungeon Dog" AKA "Carolina Dog" AKA "American Dingo" in their gray form. They differ from the norm with those bushy tails however. Where my father grew up on the Appalachian rim these dogs hang out near town, simi-ferrel. They hop in your truck, go with you on a hunt, you share the meat, and they go back to hanging out outside the town. Females dig elaborate dens for whelping. They are very bitey dogs. Folks these days have taken to breeding them as pets and keeping them in-home. You have to have a stuffed animal on the coffee table for the first 6 months of their life, to put in their mouth as you pet them, because of that "bitey" trait. I understand that they are recognized by the Rare Breed Association (or whatever they are called) under the name Carolina Dog. I actually had a yellow one (the most common color) as a boy, but they come in "wolf pattern gray" and the occasional white and sable.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/caralinadog.htm

They don't play well with other dogs. Males make the better pets, as they will accept multiple masters. Females are "meaner 'n hell" as my father would say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They look a little like the &#8220;Melungeon Dog&#8221; AKA &#8220;Carolina Dog&#8221; AKA &#8220;American Dingo&#8221; in their gray form. They differ from the norm with those bushy tails however. Where my father grew up on the Appalachian rim these dogs hang out near town, simi-ferrel. They hop in your truck, go with you on a hunt, you share the meat, and they go back to hanging out outside the town. Females dig elaborate dens for whelping. They are very bitey dogs. Folks these days have taken to breeding them as pets and keeping them in-home. You have to have a stuffed animal on the coffee table for the first 6 months of their life, to put in their mouth as you pet them, because of that &#8220;bitey&#8221; trait. I understand that they are recognized by the Rare Breed Association (or whatever they are called) under the name Carolina Dog. I actually had a yellow one (the most common color) as a boy, but they come in &#8220;wolf pattern gray&#8221; and the occasional white and sable.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/caralinadog.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/caralinadog.htm</a></p>
<p>They don&#8217;t play well with other dogs. Males make the better pets, as they will accept multiple masters. Females are &#8220;meaner &#8216;n hell&#8221; as my father would say.</p>
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		<title>By: jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 04:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in eastern Iowa.

I saw something very similar to whatever is in those pictures.

It was alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in eastern Iowa.</p>
<p>I saw something very similar to whatever is in those pictures.</p>
<p>It was alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 02:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in southern Illinois, southeast of the spot where these animals were shot.  We have had at least two different coyotes who were as large as German shepherds.  One died in a car collision in 2000, and I saw the other eating bread from my neighbor's lawn a year ago.  This is in the midst of a trailer court with numerous cars, dogs, people, etc., at about 10 PM.  We also have lost several feral cats including a very smart female. There are no other predatory animals around here except automobiles, so we wondered if the coyotes are getting bigger, or have crossbred with large dogs. That was one unbelievably calm coyote--almost allowed me to walk up to it, then decided to trot off down the middle of the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in southern Illinois, southeast of the spot where these animals were shot.  We have had at least two different coyotes who were as large as German shepherds.  One died in a car collision in 2000, and I saw the other eating bread from my neighbor&#8217;s lawn a year ago.  This is in the midst of a trailer court with numerous cars, dogs, people, etc., at about 10 PM.  We also have lost several feral cats including a very smart female. There are no other predatory animals around here except automobiles, so we wondered if the coyotes are getting bigger, or have crossbred with large dogs. That was one unbelievably calm coyote&#8211;almost allowed me to walk up to it, then decided to trot off down the middle of the street.</p>
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		<title>By: sschaper</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 00:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC, the Innuit breed wolves back into their sled dogs every few generations. It is going to take more than one generation for a wolf-dog line to be domestic.

Are these the 'yaller dogs' of the Appalachians, spoken of by the former owner of Blue? If so, they maybe nearly indigenous, brought over by the early colonizers from Asia. Very similar to dingos. Of course, breeding with domestic dogs has altered those populations some.

I don't hate people, and I understand people wanting to protect their families and neighbors. Humans do that. That is just natural behavior for the species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC, the Innuit breed wolves back into their sled dogs every few generations. It is going to take more than one generation for a wolf-dog line to be domestic.</p>
<p>Are these the &#8216;yaller dogs&#8217; of the Appalachians, spoken of by the former owner of Blue? If so, they maybe nearly indigenous, brought over by the early colonizers from Asia. Very similar to dingos. Of course, breeding with domestic dogs has altered those populations some.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hate people, and I understand people wanting to protect their families and neighbors. Humans do that. That is just natural behavior for the species.</p>
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		<title>By: Rogutaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rogutaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“There’s been people up and down the roads since this has happened hunting wolves and that is what we don’t want,” Lackey said."

I hate people.  I understand the first guy who killed them, I mean they were attacking his dogs.  Kind of like self-defense.

But now that the public knows there's wild-dogs, they automatically want in on the killing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“There’s been people up and down the roads since this has happened hunting wolves and that is what we don’t want,” Lackey said.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hate people.  I understand the first guy who killed them, I mean they were attacking his dogs.  Kind of like self-defense.</p>
<p>But now that the public knows there&#8217;s wild-dogs, they automatically want in on the killing.</p>
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