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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sanderson is no longer alive so answers to questions about "why not" have to be pure speculation.

As mentioned above, there was a bit of an ego war going on here. Heuvelmans decided to break a promise and rush into print.  So Sanderson naturally picked the two fastest avenues he had available:  a popular article in Argosy and a scientific paper published in Genus.  Both were in English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanderson is no longer alive so answers to questions about &#8220;why not&#8221; have to be pure speculation.</p>
<p>As mentioned above, there was a bit of an ego war going on here. Heuvelmans decided to break a promise and rush into print.  So Sanderson naturally picked the two fastest avenues he had available:  a popular article in Argosy and a scientific paper published in Genus.  Both were in English.</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/iceman-sideshow/#comment-1993</link>
		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Sanderson ever submit a paper on this to an American or other English-language journal?  If not, why not?  The darn thing was here in the United States, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Sanderson ever submit a paper on this to an American or other English-language journal?  If not, why not?  The darn thing was here in the United States, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: jayman</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/iceman-sideshow/#comment-1992</link>
		<dc:creator>jayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading Heuvelmans' "l'Homme Neanderthal...etc." would certainly be enlightening but it is inaccessable to most Americans, myself included, because of the language barrier. Does anybody know when it will go into the public domain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading Heuvelmans&#8217; &#8220;l&#8217;Homme Neanderthal&#8230;etc.&#8221; would certainly be enlightening but it is inaccessable to most Americans, myself included, because of the language barrier. Does anybody know when it will go into the public domain?</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/iceman-sideshow/#comment-1991</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please see my book, &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743469755/ref=ase_cryptozoologi-20/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bigfoot! The True Story of Apes in America&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, for there I explored many different ways to think about this event, including relating it, as has Jean Roche, to the classic North American Bigfoot.

I conclude:  "Until one of these mystery primates is discovered, we will not understand the true role the Iceman should play in the history of hairy hominoids studies. But for now, we must accept that the enigma of the Minnesota Iceman remains as one of the most hotly debated episodes in hominology."

One of the reasons I write books is so I can fully express my thoughts and opinions, findings and considerations.  A sentence or two here, a paragraph or two there, unfortunately does not do an issue such as this justice.

This is a good forum for comments, but the blogs and books do contain my sense of this issue already, rather well.  No reason to even try to attempt the totality of what I think here, of course.

As to Frank Hansen, his interviews were always a surprise, regarding which story he would tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please see my book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743469755/ref=ase_cryptozoologi-20/" rel="nofollow"><em>Bigfoot! The True Story of Apes in America</em></a>, for there I explored many different ways to think about this event, including relating it, as has Jean Roche, to the classic North American Bigfoot.</p>
<p>I conclude:  &#8220;Until one of these mystery primates is discovered, we will not understand the true role the Iceman should play in the history of hairy hominoids studies. But for now, we must accept that the enigma of the Minnesota Iceman remains as one of the most hotly debated episodes in hominology.&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the reasons I write books is so I can fully express my thoughts and opinions, findings and considerations.  A sentence or two here, a paragraph or two there, unfortunately does not do an issue such as this justice.</p>
<p>This is a good forum for comments, but the blogs and books do contain my sense of this issue already, rather well.  No reason to even try to attempt the totality of what I think here, of course.</p>
<p>As to Frank Hansen, his interviews were always a surprise, regarding which story he would tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo Rossi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorenzo Rossi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Mr. Coleman:

-You've seen the "thing" with your eyes... what's your opinion?

-I'm looking for an interview to Frank Hansen published years ago (I think in 1995) on the Fortean Times do you know it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Mr. Coleman:</p>
<p>-You&#8217;ve seen the &#8220;thing&#8221; with your eyes&#8230; what&#8217;s your opinion?</p>
<p>-I&#8217;m looking for an interview to Frank Hansen published years ago (I think in 1995) on the Fortean Times do you know it?</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/iceman-sideshow/#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorenzo Rossi writes:

"I can also say that I’ve seen this picture in the dossier of Bernard Heuvelmans in Museum of Zoology in Lausanne."

During the time of the Minnesota Iceman, as I have mentioned before, myself, Mark Hall, and perhaps others (Cullen?) were corresponding with Ivan T. Sanderson, and sending him photographs of the exhibition as we were seeing it.  Likewise, I was an early correspondent of Bernard Heuvelmans, and I too was sending materials and photos to him.

Photos taken in 1969 by Hall, Coleman, and/or passed along by Sanderson, would naturally be in Heuvelmans' possessions and files archived at the Swiss location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorenzo Rossi writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;I can also say that I’ve seen this picture in the dossier of Bernard Heuvelmans in Museum of Zoology in Lausanne.&#8221;</p>
<p>During the time of the Minnesota Iceman, as I have mentioned before, myself, Mark Hall, and perhaps others (Cullen?) were corresponding with Ivan T. Sanderson, and sending him photographs of the exhibition as we were seeing it.  Likewise, I was an early correspondent of Bernard Heuvelmans, and I too was sending materials and photos to him.</p>
<p>Photos taken in 1969 by Hall, Coleman, and/or passed along by Sanderson, would naturally be in Heuvelmans&#8217; possessions and files archived at the Swiss location.</p>
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		<title>By: Lu Ann Lewellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lu Ann Lewellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/initial.bipedalism/22.htm"&gt;This is where&lt;/a&gt; I saw it first.

I inquired on the origin of the photo from two American researchers, but got no answer on that. François was very helpful and quick to reply. He wrote he thought the color photos were in the museum in Lausanne and suggested I write to you.

And here you are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/initial.bipedalism/22.htm">This is where</a> I saw it first.</p>
<p>I inquired on the origin of the photo from two American researchers, but got no answer on that. François was very helpful and quick to reply. He wrote he thought the color photos were in the museum in Lausanne and suggested I write to you.</p>
<p>And here you are!</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo Rossi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorenzo Rossi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lu Ann.

You write:
François de Sarre has written me that the one above was taken by Heuvelmans in 1968, but how can that be if it was taken by Loren Coleman? Even the photos are “puzzled”!

My answer:
My original article is without pictures, the pictures in article has been inserted by De Sarre.

I can also say that I've seen this picture in the dossier of Bernard Heuvelmans in Museum of Zoology in Lausanne.

At this point you're right... the situation is puzzled... :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lu Ann.</p>
<p>You write:<br />
François de Sarre has written me that the one above was taken by Heuvelmans in 1968, but how can that be if it was taken by Loren Coleman? Even the photos are “puzzled”!</p>
<p>My answer:<br />
My original article is without pictures, the pictures in article has been inserted by De Sarre.</p>
<p>I can also say that I&#8217;ve seen this picture in the dossier of Bernard Heuvelmans in Museum of Zoology in Lausanne.</p>
<p>At this point you&#8217;re right&#8230; the situation is puzzled&#8230; <img src='http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo Rossi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorenzo Rossi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Mr. Coleman

You write:
It is with sadness that I see one Lorenzo can not join with a Loren to further a study on this subject, because, indeed, it is only one about different points of view of history. The body no longer exists.

My answer:
I simply think that we have two different opinion, but this not means necessarily "war".

For example I don't agree the conclusion of John Napier about the iceman based on the measurements and the sketches by Sanderson that I consider less precise than those of Heuvelmans.

I can't agree about the last theory of Sanderson about the origin of the relic hominids also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Mr. Coleman</p>
<p>You write:<br />
It is with sadness that I see one Lorenzo can not join with a Loren to further a study on this subject, because, indeed, it is only one about different points of view of history. The body no longer exists.</p>
<p>My answer:<br />
I simply think that we have two different opinion, but this not means necessarily &#8220;war&#8221;.</p>
<p>For example I don&#8217;t agree the conclusion of John Napier about the iceman based on the measurements and the sketches by Sanderson that I consider less precise than those of Heuvelmans.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t agree about the last theory of Sanderson about the origin of the relic hominids also.</p>
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		<title>By: Lu Ann Lewellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lu Ann Lewellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more color pictures taken by Bernard Heuvelmans. Would it be possible for us to see them?

François de Sarre has written me that the one above was taken by Heuvelmans in 1968, but how can that be if it was taken by Loren Coleman? Even the photos are "puzzled"!

It appears &lt;a href="http://cerbi.ldi5.com/article.php3?id_article=133"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and elsewhere on the site.

My Rossi, is this the article you meant? It can be translated using Babel Fish or Systran by those of us who are not bilingual.

I'm loving this discussion. Please continue.

Lu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more color pictures taken by Bernard Heuvelmans. Would it be possible for us to see them?</p>
<p>François de Sarre has written me that the one above was taken by Heuvelmans in 1968, but how can that be if it was taken by Loren Coleman? Even the photos are &#8220;puzzled&#8221;!</p>
<p>It appears <a href="http://cerbi.ldi5.com/article.php3?id_article=133">here</a> and elsewhere on the site.</p>
<p>My Rossi, is this the article you meant? It can be translated using Babel Fish or Systran by those of us who are not bilingual.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m loving this discussion. Please continue.</p>
<p>Lu</p>
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