Comments on: Frozen Monster Found Under April Ice

By: IMAdamnALIEN

IMAdamnALIEN — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:48:18 +0000

I live in Waterbury VT, 25 miles from Shelburne. Ive been living in VT for 11 years, not once have I ever heard of this case. You would think that there also would be photographic evidence to support this claim. This has ole’timey hoax written all over it. With that aside, a close friend of mine actually saw the legendary “Champ” with his girlfriend from about 10 yards away. He described it to fantastic detail. I became a believer after I saw a documentary on our lake monster. They concluded with an underwater sound recording of an unknown large mammal. They determined this from the frequency of the sound which only could be produced by large mammal-like vocal cords. Made me think twice about waterskiing!

By: Grant

Grant — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:07:26 +0000

I really enjoyed Shumway’s comments. Maybe I’ve been influenced TOO MUCH by Charles Fort, but it seems like EVERY organized thing starts to sound like an organized religion in no time, including any given science. That’s why that whole “If it weren’t for organized religion, such-and-such bad thing wouldn’t exist” line of thinking (which gets more popular all the time) makes me roll my eyes.

By: mystery_man

mystery_man — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:03:12 +0000

Very good way to illustrate it, Ceroill. That is pretty much what I think too.

By: Ceroill

Ceroill — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:39:48 +0000

mystery_man, yep. I’ve considered that possibility. Not so much an organized conspiracy as a combination of locking away something that couldn’t be made sense of in the light of then current knowledge, and the packrat-like tendency to take a puzzle you can’t solve yet, and putting it in the back room to be studied again later. It then gets forgotten about, and either relegated to deep storage, where it might eventually be found again in a century or so, or it is simply discarded with assorted rubbish.

By: mystery_man

mystery_man — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:33:59 +0000

Right, Ceroill. I even wonder if some of these alleged specimens were indeed studied and the results were kind of swept under the rug over the years. I also wonder how effective the methods for collecting and preserving the specimens were. Some of them may have been acquired, but perhaps poorly processed or kept? Looks like we may never know.

By: Ceroill

Ceroill — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:08:11 +0000

mystery_man, I agree. It seems to me there is a plethora of these old accounts of (fill in the blank creature/monster/thing) discovered at/in (lake/seashore/quarry/ice block), and carefully packed away, and hauled off to be studied by Science. Which, tragically, none have been. Studied by Science that is.

On the other hand, there is the apparent assumption in many minds that people in the past were stupid, and couldn’t possibly know what they were talking about.

By: mystery_man

mystery_man — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:56:27 +0000

Well, considering the date here, I guess it never did get around to being studied by science as promised in the article. If this is a true account, I sure do wonder where it ended up.

By: shumway10973

shumway10973 — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:16:16 +0000

No matter how accurate it might be, the author has captured exactly how such a find would have been “investigated”, especially back then. At that time evolution was laying the foundation of what is taught today, and such ideas were unheard of. Dinos and such were unthinkable of still living, especially in such a populated area. The religious groups wouldn’t have accepted this thing either, even today most creationists won’t accept the concept that such creatures may still roam. Both have something in common-they are saturated with types of theology. This maybe surprising to some, but there are evolutionists out there that the idea of evolution is their religion. I’ve talked to them and I have talked to educated creationists, and except for a few words and the timeline, they speak in the same manner, “Professor _________ said that is impossible, therefore it is impossible.” So, accurate or not, a find like that would have never gotten a true examination, just filed away like the Ark of the Covenant at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

By: calash

calash — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:22:58 +0000

I thank Loren for the historical reports. They make for interesting and enjoyable reading. It is frustrating though those detailed eyewitness accounts have never concluded with an actual specimen. One is left to wonder as to the ethics of the journalists of that era.
Regards

By: Grant

Grant — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:48:31 +0000

Though I never write off these stories completely, it sounds like another variation of the Arizona flying reptile story (not the Thunderbird one). It also sounds like a very entertaining short story (from around 1900) called “The Monster of Lake LaMetrie.” It probably started out as a hoax (I’m not sure), because it was written as the journal of one of the characters, and more importantly, the journal begins on April 1.