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	<title>Comments on: Revisiting The Honshū Wolf</title>
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		<title>By: kittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>kittenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that the term &quot;wolf&quot; has to be a broad, flexible designation, because of the extreme flexibility and genetic plasticity of the dog family. The &quot;species barriers&quot; (which are manmade conveniences, after all) just don&#039;t hold true for a lot of canine species. Wolves (including coyotes), jackals, dogs, and dingos can interbreed and produce fertile offspring (which is an older definition of a single species), yet they are obviously different enough, physically and behaviorally, to be assigned to different species. 

I believe that is a large part of why dogs - domestic dogs - are so wonderfully diverse - they have had thousands of years and this large, worldwide gene pool from which to evolve. I do not consider them to be a wolf subspecies, but instead they are a species unto themselves, closely related to gray wolves but also to many other species of wild canine.

Some of the indigenous Japanese dog breeds, especially the Shikoku Inu shown here (http://japanesedogs.bulldoginformation.com/shikoku-inu.html) look very much like the extinct Japanese wolves and are probably descended (at least in part) from them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the term &#8220;wolf&#8221; has to be a broad, flexible designation, because of the extreme flexibility and genetic plasticity of the dog family. The &#8220;species barriers&#8221; (which are manmade conveniences, after all) just don&#8217;t hold true for a lot of canine species. Wolves (including coyotes), jackals, dogs, and dingos can interbreed and produce fertile offspring (which is an older definition of a single species), yet they are obviously different enough, physically and behaviorally, to be assigned to different species. </p>
<p>I believe that is a large part of why dogs &#8211; domestic dogs &#8211; are so wonderfully diverse &#8211; they have had thousands of years and this large, worldwide gene pool from which to evolve. I do not consider them to be a wolf subspecies, but instead they are a species unto themselves, closely related to gray wolves but also to many other species of wild canine.</p>
<p>Some of the indigenous Japanese dog breeds, especially the Shikoku Inu shown here (<a href="http://japanesedogs.bulldoginformation.com/shikoku-inu.html" rel="nofollow">http://japanesedogs.bulldoginformation.com/shikoku-inu.html</a>) look very much like the extinct Japanese wolves and are probably descended (at least in part) from them.</p>
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		<title>By: mystery_man</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was away from the site for a few weeks and boy am I happy to come back and see this revisited! This animal is one of the most fascinating Japanese animals for me and I am honored to have helped Loren translate this article for him to post. I still unfortunately haven&#039;t been able to find a living one, however the figurine has a prominent place in my study. It&#039;s actually very hard to find any sort of Honshu wolf paraphernalia like that figurine, so it was very cool.

As for whether they still exist, I still hold out hope that the Honshu wolf and Hokkaido wolves are still out there, and I believe there is a decent chance they just might be. Reliable reports have cropped up in recent years that are at least promising, and there has been the occasional physical evidence turned up such as hair, scat, and kills. One of the main problems I think is that the wolves resemble (indeed are likely related in some way to) some of the Japanese breeds of dog such as the Akita , and in conjunction with the fact that a lot of Japanese are aware the wolf existed yet don&#039;t known exactly what it looked like, some sightings might be attributable to domestic dogs or feral strays seen under certain conditions. Even still, there are some very compelling cases, including actual specimens that were reportedly collected. For instance, one man allegedly actually found a wolf cub and kept it for a short time before turning it lose out of fear the mother would come looking for it. 

The terrain is there, the ecosystem is ripe for a keystone predator such as the wolf, and Japan has a lot more remote areas than many people think. If the wolf could be located and brought back to its past numbers, it would be great for the ecology, as deer are in overabundance here and causing a good deal of problems in some areas. Ecosystems need top predators to remain healthy, and Japan is distinctly lacking an animal to fulfill the particular niche left by the wolf. Some want to reintroduce wolves other than the extinct Japanese variety, but I am somewhat against the idea due to the fact that it would almost certainly be detrimental to any Japanese wolves that may still remain. 

A few responses to some posts.

sschaper- They are wolves. Depending on who you ask, they are a subspecies or their own separate species as some zoologists argue.

coelacanth1938- It was mostly the Hokkaido wolf that was directly slaughtered in response to the perceived threat they posed to the ranches that were becoming ubiquitous in the region at the time. A huge poisoning campaign did a lot of damage, and the wolves were shot whenever possible. The Honshu wolf met a more roundabout fate. Although attitudes had been changing and new farming techniques were causing more friction between humans and wolves, rabies was the main factor in the demise of the Honshu wolf. Domesticated dogs caused a rabies epidemic, which not only killed the wolves, but caused irrational fear of rabid wolves running amok which wasn&#039;t good for its image at all and made the wolves more of a target. The really sad thing is that these wolves were at one time revered and even worshipped in Japan.

MatteBille- I read your book recently and thought you did a great job on the section pertaining to Japanese wolves. Nice work.

Once again, thanks to Loren for the figurine and for revisiting this very special topic for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was away from the site for a few weeks and boy am I happy to come back and see this revisited! This animal is one of the most fascinating Japanese animals for me and I am honored to have helped Loren translate this article for him to post. I still unfortunately haven&#8217;t been able to find a living one, however the figurine has a prominent place in my study. It&#8217;s actually very hard to find any sort of Honshu wolf paraphernalia like that figurine, so it was very cool.</p>
<p>As for whether they still exist, I still hold out hope that the Honshu wolf and Hokkaido wolves are still out there, and I believe there is a decent chance they just might be. Reliable reports have cropped up in recent years that are at least promising, and there has been the occasional physical evidence turned up such as hair, scat, and kills. One of the main problems I think is that the wolves resemble (indeed are likely related in some way to) some of the Japanese breeds of dog such as the Akita , and in conjunction with the fact that a lot of Japanese are aware the wolf existed yet don&#8217;t known exactly what it looked like, some sightings might be attributable to domestic dogs or feral strays seen under certain conditions. Even still, there are some very compelling cases, including actual specimens that were reportedly collected. For instance, one man allegedly actually found a wolf cub and kept it for a short time before turning it lose out of fear the mother would come looking for it. </p>
<p>The terrain is there, the ecosystem is ripe for a keystone predator such as the wolf, and Japan has a lot more remote areas than many people think. If the wolf could be located and brought back to its past numbers, it would be great for the ecology, as deer are in overabundance here and causing a good deal of problems in some areas. Ecosystems need top predators to remain healthy, and Japan is distinctly lacking an animal to fulfill the particular niche left by the wolf. Some want to reintroduce wolves other than the extinct Japanese variety, but I am somewhat against the idea due to the fact that it would almost certainly be detrimental to any Japanese wolves that may still remain. </p>
<p>A few responses to some posts.</p>
<p>sschaper- They are wolves. Depending on who you ask, they are a subspecies or their own separate species as some zoologists argue.</p>
<p>coelacanth1938- It was mostly the Hokkaido wolf that was directly slaughtered in response to the perceived threat they posed to the ranches that were becoming ubiquitous in the region at the time. A huge poisoning campaign did a lot of damage, and the wolves were shot whenever possible. The Honshu wolf met a more roundabout fate. Although attitudes had been changing and new farming techniques were causing more friction between humans and wolves, rabies was the main factor in the demise of the Honshu wolf. Domesticated dogs caused a rabies epidemic, which not only killed the wolves, but caused irrational fear of rabid wolves running amok which wasn&#8217;t good for its image at all and made the wolves more of a target. The really sad thing is that these wolves were at one time revered and even worshipped in Japan.</p>
<p>MatteBille- I read your book recently and thought you did a great job on the section pertaining to Japanese wolves. Nice work.</p>
<p>Once again, thanks to Loren for the figurine and for revisiting this very special topic for me.</p>
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		<title>By: YourPTR!</title>
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		<dc:creator>YourPTR!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[shumway10973, a thylacine was the first thought that cropped into my mind when I viewed the figurine at the top of the page. The resembalance is indeed remarkable, I just hope both these critters are still with us, are confirmed and then protected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shumway10973, a thylacine was the first thought that cropped into my mind when I viewed the figurine at the top of the page. The resembalance is indeed remarkable, I just hope both these critters are still with us, are confirmed and then protected.</p>
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		<title>By: sschaper</title>
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		<dc:creator>sschaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wolf, coyote or fox?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wolf, coyote or fox?</p>
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		<title>By: shumway10973</title>
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		<dc:creator>shumway10973</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The face and the head to body ratio looks much like another cryptid/extinct critter of Australia (thylacine).  I know the thylacines are/were marsupials, but isn&#039;t the resemblance amazing? I believe X-Files did an episode about this one, except the creature became scientist who thought he captured one.  I don&#039;t remember if they actually said if it was the power of obsession or the actual spirit of the wolf that caused the scientist to morph into the wolf.  Here&#039;s hoping that somewhere a group did survive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The face and the head to body ratio looks much like another cryptid/extinct critter of Australia (thylacine).  I know the thylacines are/were marsupials, but isn&#8217;t the resemblance amazing? I believe X-Files did an episode about this one, except the creature became scientist who thought he captured one.  I don&#8217;t remember if they actually said if it was the power of obsession or the actual spirit of the wolf that caused the scientist to morph into the wolf.  Here&#8217;s hoping that somewhere a group did survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lightning Orb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lightning Orb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice article - don&#039;t suppose there&#039;ve been any more recent alleged sightings like in the case of the Tazmanian wolf?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article &#8211; don&#8217;t suppose there&#8217;ve been any more recent alleged sightings like in the case of the Tazmanian wolf?</p>
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		<title>By: MattBille</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattBille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the land of the subcompact car: the subcompact wolf.  
According to press reports I used in writing the wolf chapter of my book Shadows of Exstence, there is also a Japanese shrine holding an animal whcih may have been presented to it as late as 1950. One forester wrote that the animal may have survived and even increased during WWII, when the human population in many rural areas declined, but finally succumbed in the 1950s or 1960.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the land of the subcompact car: the subcompact wolf.<br />
According to press reports I used in writing the wolf chapter of my book Shadows of Exstence, there is also a Japanese shrine holding an animal whcih may have been presented to it as late as 1950. One forester wrote that the animal may have survived and even increased during WWII, when the human population in many rural areas declined, but finally succumbed in the 1950s or 1960.</p>
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		<title>By: coelacanth1938</title>
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		<dc:creator>coelacanth1938</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It must&#039;ve been a wonderful world before we humans came on the scene and started killing everything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must&#8217;ve been a wonderful world before we humans came on the scene and started killing everything.</p>
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		<title>By: gkingdano</title>
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		<dc:creator>gkingdano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another picture of the big strong hunters killing the big bad wolf.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another picture of the big strong hunters killing the big bad wolf.</p>
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