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	<title>Comments on: Should Homin Replace Bigfoot?</title>
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		<title>By: jdl82</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/homin08/#comment-48147</link>
		<dc:creator>jdl82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren, I rarely post on these boards, but I feel I must this time.

The term "Bigfoot" has been as tied to fraud and gullibility as the Confederate flag is to racism and bigotry. Both have points of legitimacy in their backgrounds, but the usage of neither implies anything intelligent today. Although those cryptozoologists who use the term "Bigfoot" might very well be intelligent professionals, they betray none of that and imply &lt;em&gt;no&lt;/em&gt; level of legitimacy to the creatures themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren, I rarely post on these boards, but I feel I must this time.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;Bigfoot&#8221; has been as tied to fraud and gullibility as the Confederate flag is to racism and bigotry. Both have points of legitimacy in their backgrounds, but the usage of neither implies anything intelligent today. Although those cryptozoologists who use the term &#8220;Bigfoot&#8221; might very well be intelligent professionals, they betray none of that and imply <em>no</em> level of legitimacy to the creatures themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Kronprinz_adam</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/homin08/#comment-48075</link>
		<dc:creator>Kronprinz_adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, at the moment, the names for the creatures have been already defined. Bigfoot, Yeti, Sasquatch, Yeren und Almas/Almasty. The creatures, right now, are more or less "mythological" (although there are footprints and reports, no one has produced the definitive evidence). 

Let us get these evidence and find out more about these interesting creatures. To protect them in the future. Then we can sit and discuss the right name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, at the moment, the names for the creatures have been already defined. Bigfoot, Yeti, Sasquatch, Yeren und Almas/Almasty. The creatures, right now, are more or less &#8220;mythological&#8221; (although there are footprints and reports, no one has produced the definitive evidence). </p>
<p>Let us get these evidence and find out more about these interesting creatures. To protect them in the future. Then we can sit and discuss the right name.</p>
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		<title>By: red_pill_junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/homin08/#comment-48047</link>
		<dc:creator>red_pill_junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a reason the name "Bigfoot" is still so popular after 50 years of being coined, just as anyone knows that a "flying saucer" means, despite the effort of many investigators to stick with more &lt;i&gt;'acceptable'&lt;/i&gt; terms like UFOs or UAPs. 

'Bigfoot' resonates with people; it has a playful undertone, which may be necessary for some folks to help them cope with what otherwise would be an scary reality. 

As long as it remains playful, it remains manageable; it may be silly, but that's just human nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a reason the name &#8220;Bigfoot&#8221; is still so popular after 50 years of being coined, just as anyone knows that a &#8220;flying saucer&#8221; means, despite the effort of many investigators to stick with more <i>&#8216;acceptable&#8217;</i> terms like UFOs or UAPs. </p>
<p>&#8216;Bigfoot&#8217; resonates with people; it has a playful undertone, which may be necessary for some folks to help them cope with what otherwise would be an scary reality. </p>
<p>As long as it remains playful, it remains manageable; it may be silly, but that&#8217;s just human nature.</p>
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		<title>By: stompy</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/homin08/#comment-48046</link>
		<dc:creator>stompy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shoud they or shouldn't they...? The point is moot. The name likely will NOT change until or unless indiputable evidence exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shoud they or shouldn&#8217;t they&#8230;? The point is moot. The name likely will NOT change until or unless indiputable evidence exists.</p>
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		<title>By: DWA</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/homin08/#comment-48044</link>
		<dc:creator>DWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Names - just like endless talking about 50-year-old fake-or-not footprint casts - are just a distraction here.

I'd rather people focus on following up the evidence.

Whatever baggage surrounds any name, a handle is better than nothing.  I think it will be hard for scientists and the general public to take a discussion like this one too seriously if the real research - the following up of evidence - is going nowhere.  It can admittedly get annoying when "yeti," for example, is used for animals that don't seem to be.  But I don't think we should be wasting time on what to call something that, so far as science goes, isn't recognized to exist.  I might even say - and have seen it - that any effort to get too technical about the name and status of an unconfirmed animal might just increase the "snigger factor," as well as transfer the baggage to a different handle.

And as to this from Igor Bourtsev:  "Of course, all the evidences in America prove that THEY are NOT APES!"

Well, I'd tend to disagree.  We have NO proof yet, so I think the word "prove" isn't the right one to use in context.  And I would say that such evidence as there is suggests - very strongly, to me - that the animal IS an ape.  That is, a member of the ape clade, as we consider ourselves to be.

I'd just want to confirm it before debating what to call it.  The final proof may render every name discussed on this thread invalid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Names - just like endless talking about 50-year-old fake-or-not footprint casts - are just a distraction here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather people focus on following up the evidence.</p>
<p>Whatever baggage surrounds any name, a handle is better than nothing.  I think it will be hard for scientists and the general public to take a discussion like this one too seriously if the real research - the following up of evidence - is going nowhere.  It can admittedly get annoying when &#8220;yeti,&#8221; for example, is used for animals that don&#8217;t seem to be.  But I don&#8217;t think we should be wasting time on what to call something that, so far as science goes, isn&#8217;t recognized to exist.  I might even say - and have seen it - that any effort to get too technical about the name and status of an unconfirmed animal might just increase the &#8220;snigger factor,&#8221; as well as transfer the baggage to a different handle.</p>
<p>And as to this from Igor Bourtsev:  &#8220;Of course, all the evidences in America prove that THEY are NOT APES!&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;d tend to disagree.  We have NO proof yet, so I think the word &#8220;prove&#8221; isn&#8217;t the right one to use in context.  And I would say that such evidence as there is suggests - very strongly, to me - that the animal IS an ape.  That is, a member of the ape clade, as we consider ourselves to be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just want to confirm it before debating what to call it.  The final proof may render every name discussed on this thread invalid.</p>
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		<title>By: Artist</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/homin08/#comment-48032</link>
		<dc:creator>Artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider how inaccurate or confusing some local names for our favorite cryptid can be - 

"Bigfoot", for instance, whose feet are big only in comparison with ours - when considering the depth to which they penetrate snow, compared to a human's adjacent shoeprint depth, a direct indicator of weight spread across square inches of footprint, perhaps we should be calling them "Smallfoot"!

To group Sasquatch, Yeti, Almas, Skunk Ape, Orang Pendek - the whole array of hairy, upright, bipedal creatures roaming Earth's wilds - under one name acceptable and familiar to laypeople and researchers the world over seems to me, as pointed out by kittenz, "...an exercise in futility" - not to mention local conflict and confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider how inaccurate or confusing some local names for our favorite cryptid can be - </p>
<p>&#8220;Bigfoot&#8221;, for instance, whose feet are big only in comparison with ours - when considering the depth to which they penetrate snow, compared to a human&#8217;s adjacent shoeprint depth, a direct indicator of weight spread across square inches of footprint, perhaps we should be calling them &#8220;Smallfoot&#8221;!</p>
<p>To group Sasquatch, Yeti, Almas, Skunk Ape, Orang Pendek - the whole array of hairy, upright, bipedal creatures roaming Earth&#8217;s wilds - under one name acceptable and familiar to laypeople and researchers the world over seems to me, as pointed out by kittenz, &#8220;&#8230;an exercise in futility&#8221; - not to mention local conflict and confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Igor Bourtsev</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/homin08/#comment-48029</link>
		<dc:creator>Igor Bourtsev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>North Americans are in a better condition than Russians because you have only two main names of the creature - BF and Sasquatch...
But in Russia we have a lot of local names and no one is broadly used excluding "snowman" and "yeti". But "snowman' became not serious for public, and it is not used by local eyewitnesses, and "yeti" is used only for Himalayan creature...  
That is why for us it's important to appoint about a common name of such a creature acceptable for all our public. 
BF is not good for Russians as a term (also Sasquatch - it is less used here, nobody knows what is this), but we use both these terms in articles when we speak about North America - without translation...
That is why we offer such common/general names...
I suppose the Troglodytes is most suitable for us (see above). Maybe it will fit for Russians and be used sometime in North America also...
Not INSTEAD, but just as a common name, or for a scientific purpose as a synonim to homin, or yeti, or snowman etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Americans are in a better condition than Russians because you have only two main names of the creature - BF and Sasquatch&#8230;<br />
But in Russia we have a lot of local names and no one is broadly used excluding &#8220;snowman&#8221; and &#8220;yeti&#8221;. But &#8220;snowman&#8217; became not serious for public, and it is not used by local eyewitnesses, and &#8220;yeti&#8221; is used only for Himalayan creature&#8230;<br />
That is why for us it&#8217;s important to appoint about a common name of such a creature acceptable for all our public.<br />
BF is not good for Russians as a term (also Sasquatch - it is less used here, nobody knows what is this), but we use both these terms in articles when we speak about North America - without translation&#8230;<br />
That is why we offer such common/general names&#8230;<br />
I suppose the Troglodytes is most suitable for us (see above). Maybe it will fit for Russians and be used sometime in North America also&#8230;<br />
Not INSTEAD, but just as a common name, or for a scientific purpose as a synonim to homin, or yeti, or snowman etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jmac75115</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/homin08/#comment-48021</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we endeavor to discover the truth about these animals we need to remember to be weary of "the wipe".  I know that Loren has posted on "the wipe" earlier in regards to reporters and news sources of record "wiping" popular knowledge of forteana by writing stories that provide alternative explanations for said phenomena.  I have noticed that the scientific community does something very similar.  When a cryptid becomes a recognized species it is given a scientific catalog (fine with me) then a new name that bears no similarity to either its ethno-known or mythical name.  A perfect example is the Kraken.  A squid of huge proportion that science tells us couldn't exist...until recently.  Now it is a colossal squid, and we don't talk about a Kraken anymore. And why would we?  It has a name!  

Before I ramble on too long, the point I am trying to make is that when we discover what these creatures are mainstream science is going to call them something else.  They will try to take away the thing that reminds us all that they rejected even the possibility of the Bigfoot's existence.  They will try to take away the mythical power of his name to strike fear, and awe, and wonder.  They will tame his name and by doing that will tame his impact on the imaginings and curiosities of those who will follow us.  I just don't think it would be right to help them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we endeavor to discover the truth about these animals we need to remember to be weary of &#8220;the wipe&#8221;.  I know that Loren has posted on &#8220;the wipe&#8221; earlier in regards to reporters and news sources of record &#8220;wiping&#8221; popular knowledge of forteana by writing stories that provide alternative explanations for said phenomena.  I have noticed that the scientific community does something very similar.  When a cryptid becomes a recognized species it is given a scientific catalog (fine with me) then a new name that bears no similarity to either its ethno-known or mythical name.  A perfect example is the Kraken.  A squid of huge proportion that science tells us couldn&#8217;t exist&#8230;until recently.  Now it is a colossal squid, and we don&#8217;t talk about a Kraken anymore. And why would we?  It has a name!  </p>
<p>Before I ramble on too long, the point I am trying to make is that when we discover what these creatures are mainstream science is going to call them something else.  They will try to take away the thing that reminds us all that they rejected even the possibility of the Bigfoot&#8217;s existence.  They will try to take away the mythical power of his name to strike fear, and awe, and wonder.  They will tame his name and by doing that will tame his impact on the imaginings and curiosities of those who will follow us.  I just don&#8217;t think it would be right to help them.</p>
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		<title>By: tropicalwolf</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/homin08/#comment-48020</link>
		<dc:creator>tropicalwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lean towards the collective that believes the term "homin" sounds truncated.  I prefer sasquatch or hominid.  "Homin" is just another nondescript word that muddies the water in legitimate research.  It reminds me of those who insisted on calling our overseas "interpreters", "language assistants."  Is this really where we should be focusing our efforts???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lean towards the collective that believes the term &#8220;homin&#8221; sounds truncated.  I prefer sasquatch or hominid.  &#8220;Homin&#8221; is just another nondescript word that muddies the water in legitimate research.  It reminds me of those who insisted on calling our overseas &#8220;interpreters&#8221;, &#8220;language assistants.&#8221;  Is this really where we should be focusing our efforts???</p>
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		<title>By: Cashel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cashel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just start calling the hairy beast whatever you want, and it will either catch on or it won't.

I'll vote for "Descendants of Esau"; they're hairy, hungry, gullible hunters. Good one, cryptidsrus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just start calling the hairy beast whatever you want, and it will either catch on or it won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll vote for &#8220;Descendants of Esau&#8221;; they&#8217;re hairy, hungry, gullible hunters. Good one, cryptidsrus!</p>
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