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		<title>By: nessielover13579</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/breaking-news/holmes-nessie-6/#comment-31551</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has to be nessie that split at end doesnt look like a trick its the flipper moving back. If watch closely it does move back from top often. Its either a nessie or its some human like scuba diving because it looks like arms moving to front then to back. look at slight curve in shape of split at end the curve could be like a cup shape to help move in current if look at top same thing happens to the top.  I think this will spark new thoughts on this because im sure this has to be nessy or some weird squid that swims like a human and keeps a tentacle stretched out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has to be nessie that split at end doesnt look like a trick its the flipper moving back. If watch closely it does move back from top often. Its either a nessie or its some human like scuba diving because it looks like arms moving to front then to back. look at slight curve in shape of split at end the curve could be like a cup shape to help move in current if look at top same thing happens to the top.  I think this will spark new thoughts on this because im sure this has to be nessy or some weird squid that swims like a human and keeps a tentacle stretched out.</p>
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		<title>By: prestochango</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/breaking-news/holmes-nessie-6/#comment-31550</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since all kind of theories are present, why has no one tried towing various shapes at the approximate distance quoted, at the calculated speed and tape each tow.  Afterward a comparison of their appearances to the tape could be made with a better and more plausible theory than its a snake, an otter, a plane, no its super Nessie.... If we don't know what it is, we can at least rule out what it is not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since all kind of theories are present, why has no one tried towing various shapes at the approximate distance quoted, at the calculated speed and tape each tow.  Afterward a comparison of their appearances to the tape could be made with a better and more plausible theory than its a snake, an otter, a plane, no its super Nessie&#8230;. If we don&#8217;t know what it is, we can at least rule out what it is not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wshinhamjr</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have viewed this footage repeatedly, I at first was excited that it appeared to be the shape of a Plesiosaur, but when reading the actual interview quotes of Holmes that it was only 4-5 meters and not 45 meters as reported as well as seeing the "splitting head" in slow motion (at first I thought it was opening it's mouth as if to catch a fish) I am now under the impression that this is a string of  swimming otters where the lead pair break off near the end which is the splitting head!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have viewed this footage repeatedly, I at first was excited that it appeared to be the shape of a Plesiosaur, but when reading the actual interview quotes of Holmes that it was only 4-5 meters and not 45 meters as reported as well as seeing the &#8220;splitting head&#8221; in slow motion (at first I thought it was opening it&#8217;s mouth as if to catch a fish) I am now under the impression that this is a string of  swimming otters where the lead pair break off near the end which is the splitting head!</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy2shot</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/breaking-news/holmes-nessie-6/#comment-31548</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would have to be insane to believe it is any thing but a large fresh water eel.

My theory: a 40 ft long eel, age around 100 years.

An eel that once lived in the ocean but when lochness got closed up a few were trapped.

Options drain the lake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would have to be insane to believe it is any thing but a large fresh water eel.</p>
<p>My theory: a 40 ft long eel, age around 100 years.</p>
<p>An eel that once lived in the ocean but when lochness got closed up a few were trapped.</p>
<p>Options drain the lake.</p>
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		<title>By: Cpl Punishment</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/breaking-news/holmes-nessie-6/#comment-31547</link>
		<dc:creator>Cpl Punishment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having now viewed the video on YouTube at least a dozen times I’m convinced that the object is too large to be a known animal such as duck, goose, merganser, or otter. (A swimming deer has occasionally been suggested, but since even the largest Scottish deer rarely exceed 200 kg then the visible portion of the object is still too large to support this idea. Also deer are very slow swimmers. The object in the Holmes video is pretty fast.) This leads naturally to three other explanations: a large aquatic animal not known to inhabit Loch Ness, such as a seal or whale (the image does remind me of an elephant seal, but these are Pacific creatures. I’ve never heard of them in the Atlantic), an animal unknown to science, i.e. a true cyptid, or a hoax.

Adrian Shine, a respectable scientist, likes fish, especially sturgeon, as the likely source of most sightings. But I’ve never heard of a sturgeon swimming for any distance with its head out of the water. Sturgeon like to swim near the bottom in the shallows. To see one swimming near the center of the loch where the depth is greater than 100 fathoms and at the surface is odd indeed.  Other known animals like seals and whales present a host of problems. The first objection is the rarity of sightings. If Nessie is any kind of large aquatic mammal then it should be seen regularly. The second objection is food; mammals need a lot of food to maintain their metabolisms, especially in cold water. However, Loch Ness is remarkable for its poverty.

This leaves us a choice between cyptid and hoax. As to the nature of an unknown animal its is impossible to be positive, but we can eliminate some candidates: Nessie is not a plesiosaur or any other kind of Mesozoic marine reptile, there are too many arguments against and none for. Nor is Nessie a long-necked seal, firstly because of objections to seals generally as listed above, and secondly in that no such animal exists in the fossil record – there is no known trend in pinniped evolution toward long necks. Roy Mackal suggested a kind of giant newt or salamander, which is appealing for several reasons, but there’s no real evidence for such an animal at all, except some fossils from the Permian.

A hoax is the most likely explanation, but it would have to be an elaborate and expensive stunt. A hoax monster that moves and leaves a wake would either have to be towed, pushed or self propelled. Towing would be hard. The Holmes video shows no sign of any surface craft nearby, not even a wake, nor is there any evident tow cable. This would mean that to be towed the object would have to be pulled by a submerged cable long enough for the towing craft and its wake to be completely out of the shot. This would require a really strong cable and a LOT of horsepower, more power than any but the largest boats on the loch can produce, and even then it’s very unlikely to work. Perhaps the hoax Nessie is being towed by a submarine (there was a Sherlock Holmes movie that used this very ploy). This could work and could be very convincing, but subs don’t come cheap, especially those able to move at speeds such as seen on the Holmes video (interesting coincidence of names, no?).

Pushing a hoax monster is just as hard a towing. One would need a long rigid underwater shaft attached to the bows of a powerful boat -- a shaft long enough to keep the tug completely out of the shot. This means acquiring a very powerful boat and then putting her in dry-dock to fit the bows with the tow spar; this would be neither cheap nor discrete, especially since such a modification would likely be a violation of maritime law.

So we’re left with but one conclusion – a self-propelled hoax monster, probably radio controlled. I used to see this guy who had a really cool model u-boat which he sailed in the model boat pond in Central Park, NYC. This thing was nine or ten feet long and could run on the surface or dive. In fact it could dive deeper than the pond. Its only severe limitation was range. It ran on a large bank of internal batteries and could operate about 20 minutes on a charge. The model was originally built for the movie Das Boot. It was really exquisite. If someone could make a model that large 20 years ago, then something even more impressive and fast could be built today, especially with the current advanced battery technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having now viewed the video on YouTube at least a dozen times I’m convinced that the object is too large to be a known animal such as duck, goose, merganser, or otter. (A swimming deer has occasionally been suggested, but since even the largest Scottish deer rarely exceed 200 kg then the visible portion of the object is still too large to support this idea. Also deer are very slow swimmers. The object in the Holmes video is pretty fast.) This leads naturally to three other explanations: a large aquatic animal not known to inhabit Loch Ness, such as a seal or whale (the image does remind me of an elephant seal, but these are Pacific creatures. I’ve never heard of them in the Atlantic), an animal unknown to science, i.e. a true cyptid, or a hoax.</p>
<p>Adrian Shine, a respectable scientist, likes fish, especially sturgeon, as the likely source of most sightings. But I’ve never heard of a sturgeon swimming for any distance with its head out of the water. Sturgeon like to swim near the bottom in the shallows. To see one swimming near the center of the loch where the depth is greater than 100 fathoms and at the surface is odd indeed.  Other known animals like seals and whales present a host of problems. The first objection is the rarity of sightings. If Nessie is any kind of large aquatic mammal then it should be seen regularly. The second objection is food; mammals need a lot of food to maintain their metabolisms, especially in cold water. However, Loch Ness is remarkable for its poverty.</p>
<p>This leaves us a choice between cyptid and hoax. As to the nature of an unknown animal its is impossible to be positive, but we can eliminate some candidates: Nessie is not a plesiosaur or any other kind of Mesozoic marine reptile, there are too many arguments against and none for. Nor is Nessie a long-necked seal, firstly because of objections to seals generally as listed above, and secondly in that no such animal exists in the fossil record – there is no known trend in pinniped evolution toward long necks. Roy Mackal suggested a kind of giant newt or salamander, which is appealing for several reasons, but there’s no real evidence for such an animal at all, except some fossils from the Permian.</p>
<p>A hoax is the most likely explanation, but it would have to be an elaborate and expensive stunt. A hoax monster that moves and leaves a wake would either have to be towed, pushed or self propelled. Towing would be hard. The Holmes video shows no sign of any surface craft nearby, not even a wake, nor is there any evident tow cable. This would mean that to be towed the object would have to be pulled by a submerged cable long enough for the towing craft and its wake to be completely out of the shot. This would require a really strong cable and a LOT of horsepower, more power than any but the largest boats on the loch can produce, and even then it’s very unlikely to work. Perhaps the hoax Nessie is being towed by a submarine (there was a Sherlock Holmes movie that used this very ploy). This could work and could be very convincing, but subs don’t come cheap, especially those able to move at speeds such as seen on the Holmes video (interesting coincidence of names, no?).</p>
<p>Pushing a hoax monster is just as hard a towing. One would need a long rigid underwater shaft attached to the bows of a powerful boat &#8212; a shaft long enough to keep the tug completely out of the shot. This means acquiring a very powerful boat and then putting her in dry-dock to fit the bows with the tow spar; this would be neither cheap nor discrete, especially since such a modification would likely be a violation of maritime law.</p>
<p>So we’re left with but one conclusion – a self-propelled hoax monster, probably radio controlled. I used to see this guy who had a really cool model u-boat which he sailed in the model boat pond in Central Park, NYC. This thing was nine or ten feet long and could run on the surface or dive. In fact it could dive deeper than the pond. Its only severe limitation was range. It ran on a large bank of internal batteries and could operate about 20 minutes on a charge. The model was originally built for the movie Das Boot. It was really exquisite. If someone could make a model that large 20 years ago, then something even more impressive and fast could be built today, especially with the current advanced battery technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Cpl Punishment</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/breaking-news/holmes-nessie-6/#comment-31545</link>
		<dc:creator>Cpl Punishment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have watched the BBC Scotland newscast for May 29 several times now and I think I’ve identified the camcorder Gordon Holmes used. Assuming the camera he’s seen using on the BBC video is the same one used to film the object, it’s a Sony CCD-TRV98 Hi8. This camera has a 20:1 zoom lens. There’s also a digital zoom option, which I hope Holmes was wise enough NOT to use!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have watched the BBC Scotland newscast for May 29 several times now and I think I’ve identified the camcorder Gordon Holmes used. Assuming the camera he’s seen using on the BBC video is the same one used to film the object, it’s a Sony CCD-TRV98 Hi8. This camera has a 20:1 zoom lens. There’s also a digital zoom option, which I hope Holmes was wise enough NOT to use!</p>
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		<title>By: Cpl Punishment</title>
		<link>http://www.cryptomundo.com/breaking-news/holmes-nessie-6/#comment-31546</link>
		<dc:creator>Cpl Punishment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my first posting on this forum, and I must say at the outset that the majority of comments registered here are appalling. Neither the believers nor the self-described skeptics show much objectivity. Instead of this “enhancement” we need more basic information. Firstly, what kind of camera was Gordon Holmes using? What are its optical properties? Digital or analog? Where was he standing when he took the video? These are all vital questions, but the popular press just cuts to the chase with questions like “is it Nessie or not?”

Without any real info I’m going to speculate based on what is more likely: I saw a local TV newscast which showed Holmes with a camcorder, implying that this was the one used to capture the sequence in question. It looked like a Hi-8 consumer model camera, probably Sony. Since Holmes is British his camera probably records in PAL format. Depending on the model the zoom lens is likely in the 10X to 20X magnification range, 20X being a more likely a choice for someone hoping to video something on Loch Ness.

As for where he was standing the most likely place would be a spot along the A82 between Invermoriston and Drumnadrochit, the most popular Nessie-watching road in the area. There’s another spot on the A82 just SW of Abriachan, but the locals say there’s too much boat traffic for a likely Nessie appearance.  There’s another good view from the east side on the B852 (secondary road), but you can’t pull over without blocking traffic so a Nessie hunter is likely to get a ticket trying to watch from that side.

All this is important to the question of size. If the visible portion of the object is a meter long or less then a water bird or otter is likely. If it is longer than a meter then identification with a known animal is really problematic.

If Holmes was on the A82 just SW of the castle, then the loch is well over a mile wide in his video. In the first frames we can just barely glimpse the foreshore and the opposite bank is almost lost in the haze. Holmes then zooms in on the object and we see nothing but open water and “Nessie”. If we knew the focal length of the lens at the start and end of the sequence (i.e. some mid-range magnification at the start and maximum magnification at the middle and end), and the spot where Holmes stood, then we could make a very good estimate of the size of the object. All this information is collected as metadata on the tape, so examination of the original is vital. Assuming Holmes stood just off the road then he was about 20-40 meters from the water’s edge. Now keeping in mind that the near shore is just visible in the first few frames when the lens is set to low magnification, the object must be at least 100 meters distant from Holmes. If it just 100 meters away then a known animal like an otter is just possible, but if it is 150 meters or more distant (I’d hazard a guess of 200-250 meters) then we’re looking at something 2, 3 or 4 meters long! This means it's a genuine cryptid or a hoax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my first posting on this forum, and I must say at the outset that the majority of comments registered here are appalling. Neither the believers nor the self-described skeptics show much objectivity. Instead of this “enhancement” we need more basic information. Firstly, what kind of camera was Gordon Holmes using? What are its optical properties? Digital or analog? Where was he standing when he took the video? These are all vital questions, but the popular press just cuts to the chase with questions like “is it Nessie or not?”</p>
<p>Without any real info I’m going to speculate based on what is more likely: I saw a local TV newscast which showed Holmes with a camcorder, implying that this was the one used to capture the sequence in question. It looked like a Hi-8 consumer model camera, probably Sony. Since Holmes is British his camera probably records in PAL format. Depending on the model the zoom lens is likely in the 10X to 20X magnification range, 20X being a more likely a choice for someone hoping to video something on Loch Ness.</p>
<p>As for where he was standing the most likely place would be a spot along the A82 between Invermoriston and Drumnadrochit, the most popular Nessie-watching road in the area. There’s another spot on the A82 just SW of Abriachan, but the locals say there’s too much boat traffic for a likely Nessie appearance.  There’s another good view from the east side on the B852 (secondary road), but you can’t pull over without blocking traffic so a Nessie hunter is likely to get a ticket trying to watch from that side.</p>
<p>All this is important to the question of size. If the visible portion of the object is a meter long or less then a water bird or otter is likely. If it is longer than a meter then identification with a known animal is really problematic.</p>
<p>If Holmes was on the A82 just SW of the castle, then the loch is well over a mile wide in his video. In the first frames we can just barely glimpse the foreshore and the opposite bank is almost lost in the haze. Holmes then zooms in on the object and we see nothing but open water and “Nessie”. If we knew the focal length of the lens at the start and end of the sequence (i.e. some mid-range magnification at the start and maximum magnification at the middle and end), and the spot where Holmes stood, then we could make a very good estimate of the size of the object. All this information is collected as metadata on the tape, so examination of the original is vital. Assuming Holmes stood just off the road then he was about 20-40 meters from the water’s edge. Now keeping in mind that the near shore is just visible in the first few frames when the lens is set to low magnification, the object must be at least 100 meters distant from Holmes. If it just 100 meters away then a known animal like an otter is just possible, but if it is 150 meters or more distant (I’d hazard a guess of 200-250 meters) then we’re looking at something 2, 3 or 4 meters long! This means it&#8217;s a genuine cryptid or a hoax.</p>
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		<title>By: springheeledjack</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This footage is cool, but so so...so far...I have been on the water one  a jet ski and came across a line of cormorants and at first sighting, I thought I was looking at a long snake thing undulating through the water...and I had to really get close to see what the heck it was...like within twenty feet before they dived...however, it was a thin line that they made...

the difference with otters and diving birds is that they are not going to present a very big target in the water.  For this footage, I am not convinced that it is otters or diving birds.

From other viewings of this footage, I do believe there is a wash coming off of it, suggesting a solid object in there, so I am leaning toward the critter perspective---I want to see the whole footage, though, and I would like to hear more from Gordon Holmes about what he actually saw...in terms of details...whether he saw a head rising above the water, etc...and I would seriously like to get some estimates of size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This footage is cool, but so so&#8230;so far&#8230;I have been on the water one  a jet ski and came across a line of cormorants and at first sighting, I thought I was looking at a long snake thing undulating through the water&#8230;and I had to really get close to see what the heck it was&#8230;like within twenty feet before they dived&#8230;however, it was a thin line that they made&#8230;</p>
<p>the difference with otters and diving birds is that they are not going to present a very big target in the water.  For this footage, I am not convinced that it is otters or diving birds.</p>
<p>From other viewings of this footage, I do believe there is a wash coming off of it, suggesting a solid object in there, so I am leaning toward the critter perspective&#8212;I want to see the whole footage, though, and I would like to hear more from Gordon Holmes about what he actually saw&#8230;in terms of details&#8230;whether he saw a head rising above the water, etc&#8230;and I would seriously like to get some estimates of size.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard888</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be very excited about this. But the more I look at the gifs the bigger of a doubter I become. No animal here. Lakes, being closed bodies of water, have a peculiar hydrology. Sometimes cold deep water wells up to the warmer surface and creates "hump" phenomena like the Ogopogo false flags at Lake Okanagan. I am not saying that Ogopogo doesn't exist, btw. Look at the enhancements again. Nothing in them indicates 'creature'. All we see is a comet structure that sometimes splits into two and often follows the path set by instanteneous spikes. It's a liquid crystal phenomenon. Not a creature! Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be very excited about this. But the more I look at the gifs the bigger of a doubter I become. No animal here. Lakes, being closed bodies of water, have a peculiar hydrology. Sometimes cold deep water wells up to the warmer surface and creates &#8220;hump&#8221; phenomena like the Ogopogo false flags at Lake Okanagan. I am not saying that Ogopogo doesn&#8217;t exist, btw. Look at the enhancements again. Nothing in them indicates &#8216;creature&#8217;. All we see is a comet structure that sometimes splits into two and often follows the path set by instanteneous spikes. It&#8217;s a liquid crystal phenomenon. Not a creature! Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: jerrywayne</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holmes stated that his original impression of size was between 4ft and 6ft in length.

For some reason, the image on the film reminds me of the "London surgeon's" second (non-famous) photo.

This film, I believe, is the most important yet from Ness. If it is shown to be an otter or seal or standing wave, etc., it will go far in explaining the origin of a modern day myth. If not, it will rejuvinate the search at loch side for an unclassified animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holmes stated that his original impression of size was between 4ft and 6ft in length.</p>
<p>For some reason, the image on the film reminds me of the &#8220;London surgeon&#8217;s&#8221; second (non-famous) photo.</p>
<p>This film, I believe, is the most important yet from Ness. If it is shown to be an otter or seal or standing wave, etc., it will go far in explaining the origin of a modern day myth. If not, it will rejuvinate the search at loch side for an unclassified animal.</p>
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